Regardless of caste or region, we the Hindus of this world must unite at all costs only then we can march forward in the path of progress. The test case is Ayodhya. The benchmark is Ayodhya. Let us start with Ayodhya. My heart cries invariably everyday when I sit for supper and inevitably turns to Ayodhya and I thik of our gross failure to give the venerable Ram Temple a better look than the current makeshift status. Let us not make any formal public annoucement of the date of non-violent satyagraha but by word of mouth quietly fix a date to collect in hordes of hundreds of thousands to show our numerical strength that we are serious and extremely keen that the temple be expanded. Remember, the temple already exists, it needs to be given a little better outlook. Only then will the government sit up and take notice. sameermohindru@rediffmail.com
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by on Feb 12, 2007 04:12 AM Permalink
Come on man grow up. You sound like 13th century preist. Its 21st centry. Lets forget these things and work toward progress.
As i muslims myself i like to digress from my fellow muslims brother mustashrique ahmad. The obvious question will be why i appose mustashrique question.I was born and raise in disciple islamic family where i was taught the law of quran , obedience towards elder and venerate other.
I have a every educated hindus as my friends .My family are closely associate to hindus( since we live in the colony redominated by hindus) as a child i used to play with my hindu friends. Gradually when i was growing i came to know the different between my faith and hindus faith. I was told by my grandfather that hindus was kafir and they pray to monkey and elephant god which is condemned in islamic religion. i started realizing myself as consecrate muslims. i embark a journey to understand my religion my faith and the difference between my religion and other religion.
Islam is fervently monotheist religion we excoriate christanity and even judaism as not a pure form of monotheist religion.The concept and the ideology of islam is diagonally opposite of hinduism. Hinduism in essence is polytheist religion which appreciate plurality ( praying more then one god) .The concept of praying one God (as in islam and christanity) and praying multiple god in hinduism was the deepest philosophical and religious delimma to me. I went to muslims scholar to comprehend what really make muslims to endure the ALLAH as the superme god. To my surpise i didn't receive approciate answer. I obviously turn to hindus guru to seek information about the existence to multiple god in hinduism . The information provided to me by the hindu guru was novel and intriguing. He quoted the vedas and upanishad to delineate why hindus venerate different form of god and the significance of multiple god in huduism.
The vedic math and the astrogoly were the few trademark of vast and magnificient hindu culture. As muslims i try to scount to get the similar clarity in quran unfortunately the paradox in quran invited quadry in me .
Then i was expose to the violent and fierce panorama of islam . Which western media advertise as the islamic terrorism.i started asking myself why we muslims were so radical about our faith then muslims. Why we muslims involve ourself in deplorable act of killing innocient people in the name of islam and jihad?.
i required answer of my tormenting question. I started comparing muslims with hindus. I ask myself why hindus are more compassionate and humble then muslims? how hindus have learn to live with radically opposite islamic religion?. Why hindus haven't attack any country from last 2000 year?
The advent of islam in india could be dated back in the 8th centure when our ancentor came to india as trader and barbaric rular. The muslims in india blended themselve with the hindu culture to that extent that the muslims in india can be classified as exclusive indo muslim since we incorporate lot of hindus practise in our routine life. I firmly belive that my ancestor where hindus before they were forcefully converted in islam. I become the great admire of hinduism and there penchant toward the universal toralence and brotherhood which apparantly islam doesn't preache.
They question obviously arise that what i am trying to arrive at?. The rediff artical discuss about the comment and the program of hindu organization VHP and there leader talking about abetting the hindu party in political front. I don't see why we muslims are so scare about the hindu organization advocating hindu party. I called it rise in the hindu consciousness and as muslims i will support the formation of such political hindu party cause muslims in india could be protected and cared by commpassionate hindus party rather then pesdo secularist like congress and samajwadi party.
I urge all muslims to support the idea of hindu political party in order to safeguard our religion.
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by Surajit Dash on Feb 12, 2007 02:31 AM Permalink
Hi Friends..
These views seem to be deeply realized and analyzed, which normally are difficult to be pronounced by many human minds, even if they realize.
Its not the matter of supporting any political party. What concerns me the most is the radical ideology Of Islam and its hatred towards other religion and Its diagonally opposite attitude towards Hinduism (Of course it means that some time in the past it was close to Hinduism or parted from it for some reason .. Because You can be an enemy to a person whom you know !!)
I too have many Muslim friends who are too close. As human beings we seldom interfere in each other's religious privacy.
As a Hindu, I have never been tought by anyone to hate another religion.. though Hinduism has its own passive restrictions.
I am sure, Islam too has its rules based on the well being of the human race.. but its tampered by the radicals to such an extent that the common man doesnt come to know its values and virtues. No religion (If it is a true religion) teaches hatred, vengeance, aggression and any other negative human phenomenon. Its humans who create this environment and finally become victims of their own creation.
India, has in fact never attacked any neighbours in its part 5000 years of history. If we look at the morals in the great epics - Ramayana and Mahabharata, Vedas, Upanishads, Samhitas, Puraanas etc, no where the Hindu religion teaches these. The aggression that you are seeing in Muslims are not the teachings of Islam. Its also a natural phenomenon. Hence I accept that until it is harmless. A person living under difficult conditions is bound to be tough. I think the place of Origin of Islam says that all. People who are self sufficient, will be less concentrating on what others have. Place of Origin of Hinduism tells that.
Forget that you are a Muslim, Forget that Hinduism is a good religion. Just remember that you are a human being and others around you are also humans. Then you'll see how beautiful life is. You'll learn to see GOD in your fellow friends and people around you. Imagine a life where you feel secured.. You know that you are safe, because you accept the other person as GOD, your friend, your well wisher who cant harm you. That Faith will bring PEACE.
How many people actually understand what is religion?
Religion is "a way of life". How to lead a good life by following a set of rules, is what is religion. I was astonished and enthrilled when I knew that the religious scriptures in Hinduism have "Mantras" for each activity in the day of a human... starting from getting up from Bed till going to sleep at night. There is a "Mantra" for breaking tooth-sticks from a tree, and one even for applying oil on the body. There are rules, how to change clothes after a bath and how to sit and eat. These rules are "Thanks" to Ours "Existence" which is the ultimate "TRUTH" and "TRUTH" is nothing but "GOD".
See How differently Islam thinks from Hinduism. Islam Says -"ALLAH" is the only "GOD". That means, all other things around us are NOT god. This is a negative thinking. Hindus say - ALL things around us are GOD.(There is possibility of a statement with a NOT here)
The concept of a single God is also the essence of Hinduism (Nirakara Brahma). The concept of multiple Gods, is symbolic. Imagine you seeing a lady with ten hands (Goddess DURGA) !!! I am sure anyone would faint !! Thats not the fact.. ten hands symbolize ten types of Power she used to destroy the evil. If today's material Science (which is far less intelligent than spiritual science) can prove that we have decended from monkeys, then whats the problem in worshipping a monkey ? Hinduism knew the theory of evolution and the close association of Humans with monkeys. Islam being a religion that emerged much late, has not considered the evolution of Man, as a fact of religious thinking. Hindus, worship not only the Elephant, but Trees, Sun, Moon, Rivers, Earth, Air, Water and all other entities that are part of Nature. Isnt it a unconditional truth that Nature is the most powerful and the closest power to man that man can feel? Whats the harm in worshipping something that we can all see and feel, rather than worshipping an Unknown entity, who is undefined and un-felt by the common man? ALLAH and ISHWAR are difficult to feel and realize for the common man. They are for the Mullahs and the Pandits who are too knwledgeable to forget them. Nature is closer to all human. And, If you learn to see GOD in everything around you, You'll ultimately respect for everything around you, including Monkeys and Elephants, Trees, mountains, rivers, even a Stone under a tree. Thats the essence of Hinduism - FAITH. Where there is no Faith, there is no GOD. If there are thousand things for which I have to say - GOD is NOT in this..that, its more negativity than positive. I am left with only one option where I can say - GOD ..IS. Hinduism is the reverse - Gos "IS" in this stone, God "IS" in this TREE, The Earth "IS" a goddess...and so on. This is more asertive and positive. GOD is POSITIVE. Do you call people with so much FAITH in so many things, as "NON-BELIEVERs" (KAFIRS) ? Then whats the term for people who dont believe in the things that are all around them?
In the Hindu Epics, GOD is portrayed as a human... RAMA, KRISHNA who have a form that can be meditated upon. They are just like any other human beings, surrounded by Human Relations, and filled with Human sentiments. This portrayal is to bring GOD closer to Humans so that people can appreciate the characteristics of GOD..and may try to be GODly in their approach. It is for the common mass, who spend most of their time thinking about earning their daily bread and do not have time to meditate and realize something that they have never seen. I dont know - whether Islam teaches the existence of ALLAH in everything...or treats ALLAH as a completely differrent entity who is far from innocent human beings.
Hinduism, a religion which doesn't believe in converting people to itself. One who is Hindu, is so by his thoughts and deeds, there is no need to identify one self as a Hindu, by conversion. Most other religions do so to increase the count in their communities. Thats the reason, Hinduism has failed to estabish it self as a ruling religion in terms of power.
Anyone who has understood the essence of hinduism, and heartly accept non-violence, sacredness, non-aggression, tolerance of Hinduism, I welcome you friend. But Not to join Politics or to support any party.
Life is short. Politics will span many lives - It still will not be contented. The purpose should be to lead a peaceful and happy life filled with joy, love, compassion and all other positive energies.
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by bharath hindu on Feb 12, 2007 03:32 AM Permalink
great analyzation...felt good reading it...but do you really believe reasoning with these psychophants will change there hatred for other religions???? I doubt it! ..but deep in my heart..i really pray to GOD to prove me wrong...
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by Surajit Dash on Feb 12, 2007 08:49 AM Permalink
Dear Bharath Hindu,
Thanks. I too at heart wish, they learn how to come out of their hatred for other religions and live contented. I dont have hatred towards them.. so it hurts when I see they have.
How much I wish, all the wings of BHARAT (Pakistan, Bangladesh) combine together again and make it a powerful nation !!
The Berlin wall collapsed - So lets hope these walls too will vanish one day..
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by Surajit Dash on Feb 12, 2007 04:29 AM Permalink
Where there is no acceptance and no admittance, there is no learning. Their religion's strength lies in hatred for other religions, because there is nothing in their religion to be proud of.
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by soheb mohiuddin on Feb 12, 2007 08:16 AM Permalink
MY DEAR FRIEND IF YOU DONT NEED TO CONVERT SOMEONE THEN WHATS THE NEED FOR YOU TO EXPLAIN THE FALSE ESSENCE OF YOUR RELIGION AND THE FALSE ESSENCE OF ISLAM, FOR YOUR INFORMATION GO BACK TO YOUR SCRIPTURES AND YOU WILL FIND THAT YOUR RELIGION TEACHES YOU TO PRAY TO ONE GOD ALMIGHTY AND YOUR HOLY BOOKS SAY THAT THE GOD HAS NO SHAPE NO FORM AND NO ONE IS LIKE HIM SO WHY YOU ARE EXPLAINING ALL FALSE THINGS HERE AND CONFUSING YOURSELF AND OTHER BE A GOOD HINDU AND PRAY TO THE ONLY ONE GOD ALMIGHTY AND KEEP THAT TO YOURSELF NO NEED TO CONVERT OTHERS FIRST CONVERT YOURSELF BE A GOOD HINDU DONT ACT TOO SMART OK
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by Surajit Dash on Feb 12, 2007 08:45 AM Permalink
Dear Soheb,
Smart people dont need to "Act" smart. Hinduism doesn't go around inviting people to get converted..so there is no question of my need to convert anyone. Its you people who seem to be in a hurry to increase your population by marrying multiple times and avoiding birth control in the pretext of religion.
Think You didn't have the patience of reading my response completely. I have clearly written -
"The concept of a single God is also the essence of Hinduism (Nirakara Brahma). The concept of multiple Gods, is symbolic. "
"Nirakara" -> Ni akara = No Form
Please read the response without any bias and respond with relevance to the posting. Please don't post unprovoked frustration.
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by pieceful on Feb 12, 2007 11:28 AM Permalink
Dear friend Soheb Moinuddin, can you please answer these questions: 1.What is wrong in praying to more than one God? 2.Do you believe that shirk is worse than murder? (Is Al-Fitnah worse than killing?)
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by fareed ahmed on Feb 12, 2007 03:32 AM Permalink
Well Written Article... By the way , isnt your name Kapil Shekhar ? :P C'mon dude, Stop your abuse using A muslim name. You can do better than that!
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by yasir nabi mir on Feb 12, 2007 04:33 AM Permalink
If u didnt understand Quran & Hadith,the problem is with u not with the teachings.Could u please quote any verse from Quran or any teaching from Hadith which is against Humanity.A Muslim can never be a muslim unless he is kind,compassionate,merciful,peace loving.He has to be a good human being first. If u would have analyised carefully u would find that amongst innocents been killed throughout the world almost all are muslims.Its d western media which is controlling our minds.Labelling muslims as terrorists,fundamentalists.Killing of innocents is prohibited in islam irrespective of religion,caste,culture,language.One who kills any human being except for murder or creating mischief in d land,its as if he has killed the whole humanity.There r black sheeps in every community.They have no religion.For a few black sheeps u cant go on killing innocents in d name of war against terror.This way u r creating terrorists.Its d media who give a biased view & divide people. The best reply to the misconception that Islam was spread by the sword is given by the noted historian De Lacy O%u2019Leary in the book %u2019Islam at the cross road%u2019 (Page 8):
%u2019History makes it clear however, that the legend of fanatical Muslims sweeping through the world and forcing Islam at the point of the sword upon conquered races is one of the most fantastically absurd myth that historians have ever repeated Muslims ruled Spain for about 800 years. The Muslims in Spain never used the sword to force the people to convert. Later the Christian Crusaders came to Spain and wiped out the Muslims. There was not a single Muslim in Spain who could openly give the adhan, that is the call for prayers. Muslims were the lords of Arabia for 1400 years. For a few years the British ruled, and for a few years the French ruled. Overall, the Muslims ruled Arabia for 1400 years. Yet today, there are 14 million Arabs who are Coptic Christians i.e. Christians since generations. If the Muslims had used the sword there would not have been a single Arab who would have remained a Christian. Indonesia is a country that has the maximum number of Muslims in the world. The majority of people in Malaysia are Muslims. May one ask, %u2019Which Muslim army went to Indonesia and Malaysia Similarly, Islam has spread rapidly on the East Coast of Africa. One may again ask, if Islam was spread by the sword, %u2019Which Muslim army went to the East Coast of Africa?%u2019 The Muslims ruled India for about a thousand years. If they wanted, they had the power of converting each and every non-Muslim of India to Islam. Today more than 80% of the population of India are non-Muslims. All these non-Muslim Indians are bearing witness today that Islam was not spread by the sword
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by Surajit Dash on Feb 12, 2007 06:29 AM Permalink
Hi Yasir,
I have no hatred towards any fellow muslims. I am writting these only as a response to your posting.
You seem to be more familiar with Spanish, Arabian and Indonesian History, than Indian. Why you have not given any references to the conversions done during Aurangzeb's rule in India ? The Muslim plight in Spain or Arabia - doesn't heal the wounds they created in India.
Are your historical references more relevant than Kalim's reference to the remarks from his grandfather?
You have asked about muslim armys, in the context of conversion. May I ask, whether Babbar, Sher Shah Suri, and Timur lang and Chenghiz Khan were all born in India, or came with a marriage procession?
Subedar Of Bengal during Moghul rule, "Suleiman Karani" was known in the state of Orissa as "Kala Pahad" (Black Mountain) because of his appearance and figure. Do you know that he was responsible for killing thousands, invasion and destruction of temples like the "Sun Temple" in Konark including thousands of other temples.
Muslim interface with India has always been in the pretext of an invasion or plunder. Am I wrong ?
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by soheb mohiuddin on Feb 12, 2007 08:26 AM Permalink
dear surajit i agree with you that if some ruler had done wrong at some point of time why cry now , if you are a human being then you must feel the same pain for other communities what better had the extremist terrorist VHP,RSS and BJP had done to our country they made it to communal riots and let die all the innocent indians enjoying power and money of poor, so why not you come out destroy these people who are destroying whole india leave alone a temple mosque or a church , why dont you think to save complete india , why are you so particular to save a temple only, when there will be no india where will the temple stand on you HEAD , this a what a typical common HINDU doesent think as you are blind and only see thru VHP,RSS am i right
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by Surajit Dash on Feb 12, 2007 09:18 AM Permalink
Again you are mistaken. You missed what I have written -- "Anyone who has understood the essence of hinduism, and heartly accept non-violence, sacredness, non-aggression, tolerance of Hinduism, I welcome you friend. But Not to join Politics or to support any party."
I am thinking of a INDIA for all - Where the laws will be uniform for all. Where there will be no communal or pseudo secular organizations. I have to save my temples bacause its the temples that have been destroyed.. thousands of them !! Were any Mosques or churches destroyed by Hindus (Leave - Babri, that was 1 in response to the thousands). I can't keep the temples on my HEAD.. I have to borrow yours !!
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by soheb mohiuddin on Feb 12, 2007 08:11 AM Permalink
my dear friend i am sure u r not muslim and by telling yourself muslim and doing what a non muslim does it shows you are lying that you are a muslim , the moment you told you believe in more than one god That is enough to prove that you are a kafir & hence u are a non muslim in disguise, but still my dear friend i have sympathy with you and i invite you to present a single teaching in islam where it teaches terrorism and hatred and i am sure you will not be able to show a single proof so grow up dear this world is 21st century nothing is accepted without a proof YOU ARE A BIG LIAR AND SUPPRORTING VIOLENCE NOT PEACE
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by haresh jagtiani on Feb 12, 2007 12:55 AM Permalink
tell me why you as a muslim can marry four times and destroy a woman's life by just saying talaq 3 times, and why should the muslim women remain in a burqua whilst you muslim masculine can do what you like. Quaran preaches love to God and humanity, then why this singular cruelty towards muslim women. what if the women can say talak to men! Be sensible to your wife, mother and daughters. If you can marry 4 times just because of the excuse that your present wife cannot concieve, then this is your own satisfaction of marrying a poor another woman to satisfy your lust. You are Indian and be indian and behave like indian instead of arguing about one god and several. God is One and is called God, Bhagwan, Allah. Allah dwells in your heart and not anywhere. Be good and good will follow.
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by Surajit Dash on Feb 12, 2007 02:43 AM Permalink
I am not sure whether the points mentioned here are teachings of ISLAM, or are the creations of man. There is no point in hurting anyone for something that he himself doesn't accept. There is no point in hurting someone who accepts you and your religion for something thats in pactice by others.
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by anu radha on Feb 12, 2007 01:29 AM Permalink
Well Said... these muslims are breaking every law what Indian culture is all about. They marry any number of girls and also the corruption and voilence is soaked in their blood.
What are their goals? is it Hindu kingdom? i mean Hindu Rashtra. Who will rule India then? Which caste? Which region will be given more preference in India to rule? Will it be UP again? What is the basis to it? We need a lot of evolving to do, before we address any of these questions. Hindu Rashtra is a defensive ploy. Maybe there is nothing wrong in it as it is a consequence of Hindus becoming very defensive, and every happening in History has a defensive mechanism to it, evem landing of people who are adherents of the preaching of Christian reformation in 16th century to a region in "New World" in now what we call USA. But Hindus have great inequalities between them. They fight between territioris, languages and what not. Simple minded people. You give them a Hindu rashtra and they will break into thousand pieces in no time. I mean they have a LONG history of living that way and treating people miserably by calling names like dalit and whatnot and abondoning them to maintain "purity" of their ways. They have a lot of evolving to do. If i sounded any basher of Hindus, well you should know that i support all Hindu right wing organisation from RSS to Bajrang dal.
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by Surajit Dash on Feb 12, 2007 02:49 AM Permalink
Its Sad that the one and the only Hindu Kingdom in the world is still NEPAL. Chaitanya has rightly pointed out the flaws. But these are the flaws of an INDIAN psychology.. not of Hinduism.
Castes will always be there... By Cates, I mean the differences. If not by birth, then by status. What is important is that .. now the time has come to realize and proudly identify ourselves as Hindus... to protect ourselves and our future from the eagle eyes of the pseudo secular parties who are bent upon destroying our identity, for their short term and self centered interests.
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by Haresh G. jagtiani on Feb 12, 2007 01:06 AM Permalink
caitanya, is a holy name, i do not understand how you got this name and writing such trash. If you support rss and bajrang dal, there is no need for your say. India is hindu and all religions are same and our time from birth to death will lead all of us to a common grave irrespective of being a muslim, hindu, christian or a sikh or a budhist or a jain or a judaism, or a simple normal human being.
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by samson A paul on Feb 12, 2007 01:50 AM Permalink
Then why are these guys want to spoil the unity of India and want to make a separate hindu govt. That itself proves they want to isolate muslims and christians.... BJP has a done a good job in the country but not these organisations like RSS, VHP and bajrang Dal.. They simply spoil the peaceful atmosphere in the country. These things are impacting the whole nation and economically we are losing lot of things. First they have to come out of untouchablilty. Where is love when ur following untouchability. There is partiality within...
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by Nikhil P on Feb 12, 2007 01:59 AM Permalink
Nobody making separate hindu government. It's your own biased and hateful perception. Hindus are trying to get organized to get heard. Stop blackmailing people saying things that are not happening. You christians have converted millians of poor hindus to christianity so obviously you will want them to stay disorganized and poor.
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by Harshita M on Feb 12, 2007 02:45 AM Permalink
Is attacking muslims and christians, showing hatredness called as getting organised? What do u mean by getting organised? fighting against other religion? Is this what Ramayana, mahabharata and other holy books teach? Why all these things? simply spoiling peace of the society leading to blood shed.
you shouldn't say something stupid if you don't know the details. How much have you known through available sources about the RSS, VHP and their affiliates? I bet you know more about Bollywood than what is happening in the grassroot level where these Hindus are working with tribals and women to eradicate social evils. From what i have observed, "mainstream" Hindus have been a prejudiced lot and treat those in the lower strata miserably. They detest change deliberately. You got to break rules to survive and preserve your identity for posterity. Even if you don't, others will and kill yours in that process. Hindus are getting organised for the first time in their History. It will continue. You can give the spirit of this organisation any name. Calling it Hatred to a group will be devious and diversionary. You can call it as the consequence of a "disturbance" which has woke up the Hindus to many things around them after a long deep slumber. Hindus will be a cultured people and they will be led by Historical and surrounding influential forces. Hinduism is going through a phase and as a Hindu it's your job to realize it. Comparisons drawn between fascists of Western Europe of erstwhile era or some other place is diversionary, as it was racism and hyprocrisy that was the guiding force there. You should know when someone pawns you. The thing is, people like you will follow suit. Try being a Hindu sometime.
Untouchability is not followed by RSS shakhas. Infact the most inter-caste marriages in India are found in Hindu Right wing groups. Others are talking empty and hyporitical. They don't have the balls to break rules. You want to show your morality, then place your money where the mouth is. Hindus will buy it.
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by dhaval doshi on Feb 12, 2007 02:54 AM Permalink
OFCOURSE HINDUS WILL BE GIVEN PREFERENCE AND I BELIVE THAT EDUCATED HINDU LEADER WILL BE WELL SUITED TO GUIDE INDIA TO THE NEW MORDEN WORLD. I SEE ONLY ONE RELIGION IN THE WORLD THAT CAN TAKE ANY TRADEGY INTO ITS STRIDE AND STILL LOVE AND HELP OTHERS, AND THATS HINDUS. WE HAVE PROVED IT NUMBER OF TIMES OVER THE PAST CENTURIES.
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by soheb mohiuddin on Feb 12, 2007 08:31 AM Permalink
where had you proved that you are good hindus and you can take tragedies , you are fighting muslims and islam since centuries and kill muslims and always justify it with the killings by aurangzeb and other muslim rulers how is that justified you will be killing millions of people in years to come and you are boosting yourself now grow up man see the statistics ok wake up
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by Nikhil P on Feb 12, 2007 11:26 AM Permalink
no hindu has killed any muslim without being provoked. Only when muslims keep killing innocents and get away with crimes because of pro-islamic government that people get angry. Muslims have killed a lot of innocent hindus using bombs in last 4 years but noone has done anything to muslims. Our president has forgiven a terrorist. People see all these bad things allowed by the pro-islamic government. If the government doesn't care about them then they have only two options - either organize and get heard or do what their enemies do.
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by rishi on Feb 12, 2007 12:08 AM Permalink
Dear Chaitanya: You have no idea what you are taking about. VHP is the least casteist and divisive of any Hindu groups and they have a sterling hsitory of promoting equality and unity amongst Hindus.
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by chaitanya kumar on Feb 12, 2007 12:26 AM Permalink
I was talking about Hindus in general. Yes i know they have very less inequality in RSS Shakhas where there are many people from lower caste and what is called "untouchable" where everyone shares same domain to eat and VHP works with Adivasis. Many Hindus don't know it. They should publicize their work.
According to me the religion hinduism teaches us for global brotherwood,truth,honesty,justice, sacrifice and all good things in respect to humanity.But why Hindu religious organisations are not arranging to teach hindu people/students the subject and thought of hinduism????? In Madrasa Muslims are doing this,In the church perhaps Christians are getting the lessons. Hindus are going generally to temples for a 'prasad charao or mala charao'.That means Hindu Religious organisations are not enough responsible re Hindus and their future. Please note no one can walk long in dark.The way we hv adopted, by this way the day will come when their will be no Hinduism or no Hindu.And Hindu religious organisations will be responsible for that day.
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by rishi on Feb 12, 2007 12:12 AM Permalink
chinmoy da: What have you done to promote Hinduism? Be the change you want to see.
The Hindu organizations like VHP, Arya Samaj, Ramkrishna Mission, Chinmaya Mission etc have done a very efficient job within the limited resources they have.
Hindus themselves dont support such good organizations but instead donate to the hawkish Christian missionary groups.
Do your own small part to see the big change u want to see.
VHP should focus more on real Hindu priorities. Following are the things which would fall on the top of any Hindu's list:- 1- Historic research 2- Fact finding; why do we still have outdated believes? Why are certain believes like 'sati' not yet abolished. 3- At some point, we have to confront the problems with 'caste system'. The sooner we do it, the better of we are. What can be done to overcome the caste system & develop a system which respects the equal & important contribution of farmers, warriors, administrators, policy makers to the building of our society. One cannot do without the other. We need to remind ourselves that no caste is higher than the other. There never was an upper & lower caste in the originally designed system or atleast there shouldn't have been. 4- We Hindus want more institutions which cover part time vedic education. 5- More research in naturopathy. Patent the knowledge we've already acquired from our deep history. Focus on certifying & commercializing to some extent. 6- More research in astrology. We need more institutes teaching part time courses in both astrology & naturopathy. 7- Build more Hindu artifacts. Why not focus on building more well planned temples in undisputed lands in India? We want more clean & well organized Hindu temples in the years to come. 8- VHP could be the channel to bridge the gap between rich & poor in Hindus & focus on social integration. It can help make a strong base & bring more justice to underdeveloped areas of our country. 9- Spread more education, wisdom & knowledge all around the world. 10- A way to accept people of other faiths to parallely respect our method of living & practice it if they want. In a way, preserve India's spirituality. 11- Focus more on building respect for Hindus in general. Bring unity & courage to this religion. Its needed more than ever. We as Hindus need to have some self respect.
Religious organizations like VHP should be more articulate in their acts. The energy spent on opposing events like Valentine's day can be much well used in sponsoring Hindu events & festivals. VHP leaders need to realize that we as Hindus have a larger battle to fight in the long run, the battle of 'Hindu hatred'. So, if they shift their focus from personal benefits & next elections to building a strong base of idealogy, we'll have a much better chance of survival & every Hindu will live in this World with their head high with courage.
RE:Set our priorities right
by Haresh G. jagtiani on Feb 12, 2007 01:29 AM Permalink
then what about catholics, protestants, judaism,the sunnis, shias, ahmedias, ismailis, boras, bahai's (the most moderate), and several other sects you are not aware of, only you are of jaihind and satis. bless you of critising your country of birth.
RE:Set our priorities right
by pp R on Feb 11, 2007 11:47 PM Permalink
Dear Mr. Aditya, your writing is excellent!! I fully endorse your views. Keep it up. Only one request to all. Please find out the e-mail ID's of Ashok Singhal and his other Hinduwadi friends and send the views of Mr. Aditya to them .. otherwise, so much of hard work by Aditya will go waste ...
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by vipankumar dogra on Feb 12, 2007 12:12 AM Permalink
please dont depend on ashok singhal only,contribution from every hindu is important.why not raise your voices against discrimination with hindus in muslim countries,while muslims enjoy equality in each non muslim country.
RE:Set our priorities right
by Haresh G. jagtiani on Feb 12, 2007 01:15 AM Permalink
yu have wasted your time and energy writing this long letter. There is no need to promote Hinduism by rss. Hindus live all over the world and i live in africa where i am surrounded by my bretheren and other asians. Hindus are living and will always live with their head high with courage in my motherland India and besides in every part of the mother Earth including Punto Arenas near to Antartica.
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by Nikhil P on Feb 12, 2007 02:02 AM Permalink
lol. Not if that motherland does not survive. Do you consider pakistan,afghanistan and bangladesh as part of your motherland anymore?
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by Surajit Dash on Feb 12, 2007 03:43 AM Permalink
Hi Haresh,
If you'd have considered Aditya's views, you'd not be in distant Africa. You'd be living in a self sufficient, happy Nation - INDIA.
We Indians take pride in forgetting our heritage and end up appreciating thats not worth... Allopathy in place of Ayurveda, Tarrot cards in Place of Astrology :). We learn very easily to call our parents - DAD and MOM, send our kids to English medium schools and teach him shake hands..not a "Namaskar". Still we are proud that we shall live everywhere .. all around the world including ..antarctica !!!
RE:Set our priorities right
by soheb mohiuddin on Feb 12, 2007 08:36 AM Permalink
yes you are right the VHP had to analyse there own religion and do research on it to find themselves that they are muslims not hindus as what hinduism teaches is that to pray to one god but VHP teaches to pray to idols and so on so do good research and be good human being and an obedient slave of the almighty
RE:RE:Set our priorities right
by Surajit Dash on Feb 12, 2007 09:30 AM Permalink
For your kind information, VHP doesnt teach whom to pray. Do you know that MUSLIMS are a detached group from HINDUs? Please post here what you know about the Origin Of ISLAM.
Its a rebel group who were determined to oppose Hinduism in every way. See what you do... Hindus worship the SUN and you'll worship the MOON, that too a cresent. Hindus sit on a "Aasana" and eat .. you will sit on the ground and keep the food on a platform. ISLAM originated after HINDUISM. What was the need for diagonally opposite rule to be set?
Hindus not only pray IDOLs, they also pray Trees, River, water,a ir and earth, even a stone under a tree. Thats FAITH. We see GOD everywhere, in everything. Where do you realize GOD ?
RE:Set our priorities right
by Ram kumar on Feb 11, 2007 11:06 PM Permalink
Tooo good posting sri. aditya. Exactly to do this in present circumstances, it requires power. when saraswati vandana introduced. it rated as communal. Astrology introduced it rated as communal activity. If i am not wrong sri. murali manohar joshi did something towards this finally what happened when they lost power it disappeared. First the majority should be formed and the power to be bestowed then only things can possible. I am sure these are there but our polical system and the way to power spoiled just because of scattered hindu votes. give them power and i m sure. we need not post what has to be done. Because 5 years vajpayee govt atleast proved some best things.
Power to all Hindu political fronts, Hinduism must be the umbrella under which others live in india. Muslims got Pakiland and Bdesh to be all the muslu they wanna be not in India. In india they have must live under hindu based laws applied to all citizens, no exception. One country one set of laws.
The idiotic hindu haters look at the muslim parties in India.When u have parties like Muslim league, NDF and suedo secular parties like congress and Left for whome secularism means supporting and pampering minorities what is wrong if hindus have political party. The scroundral seudo secular hindus who always critisize hindu outfits, when simi and ismi are hell bent on bringing on muslim rule in India who will stop them..? we need VHP, BajrangDal to counter these muslim extremists and christian missionaries , other wise hindus will disappear in India like they have gone in Pakistan and Bangladesh.
RE:Stop critisizing everything hindu
by vinod kumar on Feb 12, 2007 12:02 AM Permalink
dear brother, you have named simi and other outfits tha thay want to bring muslim rule. but brother you have mistaken.they didnot want muslim rule but islamic rule. there is a difference. u get hurted when i say Islamic rule. but the same thing if i say in indian language as the rule of peace (islam's litral meaning is peace)then you will not have any problem. it is time for all that we all ponder that what we want. shall we move as per our lord's will or by our desires.
RE:RE:RE:RE:Stop critisizing everything hindu
by Surajit Dash on Feb 12, 2007 07:15 AM Permalink
Is getting converted worse than the the plight of Kashmiri Pundits in Kashmir ?
RE:RE:Stop critisizing everything hindu
by pieceful on Feb 12, 2007 11:51 AM Permalink
Dear brother Vinod Kumar, other religions can exist under Islamic rule only with severe restrictions. For example, Hindus(polytheists) will have to pay a special tax-jizya in exchange for being allowed to live and practice their faith, subject to very restrictive conditions. Is this the way the Hindus can buy PEACE by SUBMITTING to the will of the almighty?
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by chaitanya kumar on Feb 12, 2007 12:11 AM Permalink
proselytizing dude(vinod kumar). Why you are preaching lord here? you know why some Hindus have become defensive and supporting right wing organisations you sick? when will you people understand? how many more should be converted before the Judgement day?
RE:Stop critisizing everything hindu
by pp R on Feb 11, 2007 11:55 PM Permalink
I fully agree with you. Just like India has got the nuclear capabilty (not to attack anyone but just to prove her strength and keep off the attacks and for self defence), the Hindus also shall have to unity under one banner and get very strong to exist .. or else we are all doomed or will end up being some one called Shyam Joseph or Ail Muhammed
guess am the only female over here. if my opinons are wrong am sorry. i dont have any intentions of hurtin any one. india is basically an agricultural land so if our farmers are muslims or hindus or christians or any other religion or sect will you stop eating the wheat or rice just because you hate a particular religion?? the rice or wheat is mixed with the sweat of a hindu muslim or christian so shall we starve?? god is one. god in all religions does not like hatred. we are all human beings. everyone dies one day. we are responsible for our actions cant blame religion. we are not dogs to mark territory. we are human beings with compassion, families and love. thank u
RE:to all people
by pieceful on Feb 12, 2007 05:59 AM Permalink
Surekha, what you say is basically correct, that we are all human beings with compassion and love. Having said that it will be stupid if the Hindus don't get themselves organized so that their problems are eliminated. If a pro-active policy is not adopted then the Hindu culture and religion will cease to exist in the face of religious conversions by missionary groups from the monotheistic religions who convert not only through threats and monetary benefits, but also through a campaign of disinformation about the Hindu religion. The Hindus are not blameless, they have been responsible in dividing society on the basis of caste for thousands of years.
However, the Hindu religion is one that keeps evolving and today, most Hindus recognise that all people are equal and casteism should be eliminated. The efforts of reformers will not go wasted in this regard. At the end of the day, reform will set in and the Hindu religion and culture will not be lost.
God is one, but it does not mean that all religions that are not monotheistic are necessarily evil and need to be eliminated. The Hindus living today will be responsible for preserving their religion and culture and also evolve and strive to eliminate problems inherent in today's society such as the dreaded caste system. This is not going to be easy, especially when the pseudo-secular government is keen to further exacerbate the divisions in society by playing the reservations card in a manner that suits them.
If the Hindus re-organise themselves and succeed in totally eradicating the intrinsic issues of their religion, the missionary groups who insist that monotheism is the only way to escape hell-fire will not be able to eliminate the diversity that exists today.
RE:to all people
by Nikhil P on Feb 11, 2007 10:58 PM Permalink
we look good when we say such good things. But in reality, there are people who would support terrorism and killing you or me to spread their religion. So come out of your dream before it's too late.
if all are good it is true. this world is not all are good type. we were not united from 700BC to till date . that is why we lost afghan, pakisthan, bangladesh soon kashmir then kerala. you can't follow gandhi's principle to religiuos terrorists. you need krishna's principle. india was never against muslims or christians or their growth, but they are against somebody saying mine is superiror than yours. india was controlled by buddhism in certain era and after shankaracharya winning in battle of intellect we got it back. not even a single blood shed between hindus and buddists. we were ruled by english and we don't have hatred against them. jews were killed by germans they don't have hatred against germans. but when somebody is for conquering the world and says his is supreme belief and god, problem appears there. all we are saying is be united as hindu, not as brahmin or kshatriya or dalit or caste but just as hindu. what we need is IT(inner transformation) to become a proud hindu.convert a hindu to hindu is biggest challenge. don't liston to so called preachers and swamis, learn sanscrit and learn veda not alone geetha. we have to come out of govt control and have our own religious existence and each temple should be enriched and there a sudra occupation born with brahmanic script knowledge should be able to do pooja. women should be respected as in vedic era. when shankara was debating with intellects in north there were women mediators to judge who is best. hope this helps to understand the power of women rather a current corporate ill-dressed one who makes women just a commodity as in wesern culture in the name fo freedom. as to gandhi freedom is self -restriction. let a muslim do his prayers and hindu his,but not dictated by caste or minority or brahmin concept every hindus should learn sanscrit and there should be job opportunity for that in astrology, astronomy,economics, farming, ayurveda ,it is importance in scientfic inventios etc. hope this helps
It was only a short ride from Dacca to Kolkata The city (over a nightmare) his inapt forefathers lost for him In quest of an inane home-rule mired in a distant foul dream As he wondered at the city so close to his soul and full of life Yet part of a much larger nation, (alas now to him an alien) Enjoying the freedom he vainly sought that eluded him forever.
