Hello Frnds, Please wake up now , we should think 10 times to purchase any American stuff, if we go and see the statistics tears will come out that We are helping American to give Billion of dollar to Pakistan. PLEASE JOIN US TO BOYCOTT THE AMERICAN STUFF AND TEACH OTHERS ALSO... THINK ONCE AGAIN AMERICAN ARE GIVING 3 BILLION AID PACKAGE FOR F16 (10 OR 15) PAKIS WILL USE THESE F16 TO KILL US AND OUR SOLDIERS.. And PAKIS are using our money for the funding the terrorist to kill our poeple.
Please send this message by mail or sms to friends and relatives make the people aware of this..
IT IS A SHAME THAT AFTER 60 YEARS OF INDEPENDENCE INDIA ISK3 UNABLE TO MAKE STATE OF THE ART FIGHTER AIRCRAFTS.I'M 47 YEARS NOW.SINCE MY CHILD HOOD I'M HEARING ABOUR LCA/MBT AND SO ON. INDIA IS A NATION WITHOUT SELF RESPECT. india is a notion full of bhasan and no action.
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by on Feb 09, 2007 01:12 AM Permalink
What self respect boost you get in case, we make Fighter Jet, still we need to buy advanced Radar from USA. Can you make everything on your own. Can you make a needle on your own? Are you still living in forest.
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by on Feb 09, 2007 01:17 AM Permalink
I hear differently. during 1980s, we put satellite in to orbit. Now we put satellite & take them back to ground & joined in elite few nations group. You deaf, better check your ear.
RE:IAF PURCHASE
by H N on Feb 09, 2007 02:31 AM Permalink
Most other contries except the communists of course do it wiht private industries where the best are attracted and motivated with money. Communists used their propaganda to create passion and/or put their scientists and families at gun points and made happen all during cold war. I am not sure if china has yet changed thosepractices.
To create such great products we need a very passionate or desperate organization. We have neither. We have regular government employees trying to do the same with their puny resources. People like Pres Abdul Kalam are few and far between and those have been the saving grace for what India has demonstrated for self reilance today.
Our nation has not dared to used its military in the past 30 years for the right purpose even when it is called for. All the military might without proper diplomatic backup is of little use. So what we have is good enough. Nukes, missiles, imported plans, home made sats., imported radars are the deterents that our policy makers seem to be happy with, so we hav.
RE:IAF PURCHASE
by Rock Water on Feb 09, 2007 02:12 AM Permalink
I agree to ur discontent but thats due to the fact that your view on this regard is limited, United states, Russia, UK, France have been a dominant in the field of technology as they had a sound economy henceforth they invested in research and made these machines so as the devloping countries can buy them, Indian universities do not have much research funding tell me how many Indian students are working in research funding but things are changing now India is asking foriegn companies to transfer the technology and the main component of the fighter aircraft is the engine (turbine) there are only few names as GE, Rollys Royce, Pratney,Solar etc and this is the heart of the aircraft India can easily fabricate the aircraft with the best electronics but the fine engineering of turbine manufacture has to be mastered and this will take time and 60 years after Independence we are only now emerging as a force to reckon with along with other nations(BRIC) Brazil, Russia, India and China even china depends on russia for these engines so dont please play the blame game, the journey of 1000miles start with a single step and India has walked quiet a few steps in this direction and one day hum honge kamyab, so keep the hope my fellow Indian.
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by G S on Feb 09, 2007 02:25 AM Permalink
Please do something for poor. have you ever donated to orphanage or CRY or any social service organization. One should start with him self first before blaming entire country. I admire your feel for country but i would also like to know what have you contributed for the same (like for eradiction of hunger) , even in smallest possible way. if we can not do for our country then no body else would do.
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by nuti major on Feb 09, 2007 01:39 AM Permalink
Hey, Its not the question of self respect. Here you are missing a point. Dont ever dare to think that Russian planes are useless. They are far more superior than any fighter jets in the world. They dominated US f15, f16 and f18's by 90% in recent joint exercises by India and US. Even a Mig 21 beat US F16 and French Mirage fighter jets. better check the news. Its a pleasure for us that India is buying such quality fighter jets. And making our own fighter jets takes a long time to go and by the time we are to that speed, those will be replace by other world class fighter jets, so better to take it one step at a time and at the same time play safe.
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by on Feb 09, 2007 01:45 AM Permalink
Don't teach about Russia to an Indian. We are friends for a long time. That's why we have both Mics & Fxx
IT IS A SHAME THAT AFTER 60 YEARS OF INDEPENDENCE INDIA ISK3 UNABLE TO MAKE STATE OF THE ART FIGHTER AIRCRAFTS.I'M 47 YEARS NOW.SINCE MY CHILD HOOD I'M HEARING ABOUR LCA/MBT AND SO ON. INDIA IS A NATION WITHOUT SELF RESPECT. india is a notion full of bhasan and no action.
RE:IAF PURCHASE
by on Feb 09, 2007 01:12 AM Permalink
What self respect boost you get in case, we make Fighter Jet, still we need to buy advanced Radar from USA. Can you make everything on your own. Can you make a needle on your own? Are you still living in forest.
RE:RE:IAF PURCHASE
by on Feb 09, 2007 01:17 AM Permalink
I hear differently. during 1980s, we put satellite in to orbit. Now we put satellite & take them back to ground & joined in elite few nations group. You deaf, better check your ear.
Some politicians/beaurocrats are going to make a lot of money, while the avergae Indian toils through his daily routine and the armed forces die fighting internal terrorist organizations.
Sau me se assi beyimaan, phir bhi mera desh mahaan!!!!
Ask for tech transfer sale of fully loaded F/A-22A Raptor, lets see how strong is the 'patnership' not some trailing edge technology but leading edge tech.
RE:Ask for tech transfer sale of F/A-22A Raptor
by sabastin shiril on Feb 08, 2007 11:48 PM Permalink
good question why not join F-35 nato fighter. sabastin, los angeles
Russia may arm twist or may even bring in pakistan factor and RD-33 engine. But this time India should opt for the best technology. Just looking at lower cost or commonality will not help us in war. We also need better quality machines. We have one in Su30 MKI but the next one should be with AESA radar and better features.
I felt sad to know this. The tow begger countries (Ind and Pak) where millions starve and with poor quality life standard, i think that both the countries should stop this nonsense and us the money in better welfare of the poor people of india. BTW how much money will be eaten by the middleman and who all will be beneficiaries? God bless this country.
RE:Plane buying
by on Feb 08, 2007 11:53 PM Permalink
Saddam H complaining both Ind & Pak means we should understand that he may not be from both countries. What bigger Nuclear Arsenal china has. You may have 1 1/2 crore, crore pati. I have one crore, still crore pati. No need to beg for food correct. But still we both (Chinan & Indian) need to go by airplane, doesn't means we are begging or anything. Not correct example, but every minute is dollar, kind of hurry.
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by Saddam H on Feb 09, 2007 12:40 AM Permalink
I am indian and in true love with the coultry. FYI (for your Information) Aslo i am not muslim. I kept my saddam as i feel he was a true MALE! Right or wrong he was not afraid of anything. Compare to the Democratic political system of India where AFZAL is not still hanged even though he been given death sentence. Who is not deciding? why torture to him? Beacause some one is afraid to decide? or playing politics? Saddam would have cut that fellow in pieces and given to his dogs to eat in public. I love saddam. God bless his soul may rest in piece. Amen
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by on Feb 09, 2007 12:49 AM Permalink
So, you currently divert the water other ways. We understand what is your intention. Govt. has different priority on what to do in what ways. I feel shame of you as an Indian if you really an indian.
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by Saddam H on Feb 09, 2007 01:07 AM Permalink
If you feel shame then take the dip in the holy river and drown your self. I am really indian. FYI. A true indian who feels the pity on the indian fellow countryman for their kindness to tolerate such rulers who have no priority for the poor.
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by on Feb 09, 2007 02:03 AM Permalink
Ok dear indian brother, Don't take anything personal. Both of our thinking will be different. But end-up in the same way, if we both think for the country's benefit. I am telling my way of thinking: I & my family are leading a poor life. But I say, if you invest in my college study, by bearing some short term difficulty (in your case poverty), I will study well & earn in what ever currency & take out the whole family or sometimes, whole village, by setting up a factory. I don't know your angle. I always like to help poor. I always think about poverty, of course, it is exists in India too like other countries. Only my way of thinking will be different. Please correct it if it is wrong.
RE:Plane buying
by G S on Feb 08, 2007 11:15 PM Permalink
Dear Mr. pakistani, please do not wish to contain India at the behest of china. India has large border with China and chinese have bigger nuclear arsenal and machinery. India must protect itself. So India will try to keep with china and if pakistan want to keep with india good luck to them. It is better for pakistan to make a U turn on their policy and seek friendship with India rather than playing into Jihadi politics which has caused more damage to their society than anybody else.
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by Saddam H on Feb 09, 2007 12:27 AM Permalink
Neither i am pakistani nor i am muslim. I am feeling sorry for the poor people of all the three countries china included that the respective government is playing puppet in the hands of the russia and USA and spending the billions on the useless activities like arsenal buying. That money can do lot of welfare to the poor people. I will request all, that try to remain hungry for some time and see what is hungerness, see how the porr childrens are living, and how the people live miserable life. Why going far, even with our richness what standard of life we are living? compare to western world? I think we (all the three poor countries) are foolish to indulge in such wasteful activities.
Patriotism is not just in bragging about our Military might or cricket prowess. It is the question in millions of heart - when there is no food, no rehab & no policies for hundreds of millions of people in rural & Tribal villages, is purchasing jets is top priority?
Mutual suspicion and aggressiveness will lead to more weapon race where when we will spend 40-50% on our GDP in weapons.
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by Vishal Shah on Feb 09, 2007 12:25 AM Permalink
begger country would be yours.. India is among the top ten most rapidly growin economies in the world... n regardin MCA's it has a condition for tie up wid HAL for Indegenous production if u missed it..
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by on Feb 09, 2007 12:44 AM Permalink
Saddam H, Please read other posts, there were explanation of poverty in all countries. Indian Defense depends on how other country behaves!!! People can live with even poverty with what ever food they have. But w/o defense those people, lives also will be in question, their freedom will be in question. Also, poverty is not that much what you exaggrated in your post. President Abdul Kalam told that poverty was reduced more than 25%. When we create enough wealth, we may need enough defense to protect that wealth. Also, when we create enough wealth, the poverty will automatically get reduced through various programs.
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by Saddam H on Feb 09, 2007 12:49 AM Permalink
First who is abdul kalam? is he god does he goes to the zopadpatti and see how people stay? ok agred it is reduced but still gone to zero? what quality life we (upper class) are living? Defence from whom? who is going to take over this country and maintain 1 billion population? let them take over!!!! btw you are too getting any benefit from the arsenal buying? (joking)
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by on Feb 09, 2007 12:50 AM Permalink
So, you currently divert the water other ways. We understand what is your intention. Govt. has different priority on what to do in what ways. I feel shame of you as an Indian if you really an indian.
RE:Plane buying
by sabastin shiril on Feb 08, 2007 11:52 PM Permalink
hey, u r right only the problem can we live together we know and usa know osama is in pak nobody going to do any thing. sabastin los angeles
Indian Scientists are not good enough to build us Good Planes we have to agree this we cannot foolourselves saying that Indians are smart and inelligent, Politicians do not care about it(nothing new about it),and these not so capable Army leaders buy weapons from other countries.
I do not know what will happen to India when there is a full scale war with Pakistan forget about China, we can defend ourselves from Pakistan itself. God bless India.
RE:I do not know when India will build its own Weapons
by sabastin shiril on Feb 08, 2007 11:57 PM Permalink
u r right to some point r v not capable 65 and 71 proved yes we are my answer is go indigenous support HAL sabastin los angeles
RE:I do not know when India will build its own Weapons
by on Feb 08, 2007 10:58 PM Permalink
You came to the same old junk complaining politician. Now started with scientists too at the end. Who said to you all that stuff, we cannot defend. Our navy is first class. See, we are conducting joint exercises with many nations, indicates that we are not that much low as you think.
