i am not sure who is doing this. all resonable and sensible messages are being reported as abusive. whoever is doing it is very stupid as te truth is aready out there. Historically speaking only Tamilians should be blamed for this. as they are the ones made the rough terrain in Mysore and surrounding areas cultivatable thus increasing the use of Cauvery water. K
RE:why are all sensible messages being eported for abuse
by bal kad on Feb 09, 2007 12:01 AM Permalink
Kannan, It sounds like you are bent upon instigating a backlash against Tamils by issuing such remarks that Tamils should be credited with making the land around Mysore cultivable. 1) Publish any such proof that proves your "tamil cultivation"theory. 2) If not, then kindly contact me for high school history/geography text books, where its mentioned in detail,the high rate of agriculture much before and during vijayanagar emmpire (15-16 th century)and not of Tamils ! Incidently, vijayanagar empire also ruled present tamilnadu.
P.S : Forget PMP exam, I strongly suggest that you read elementary history first !!
RE:RE:why are all sensible messages being eported for abuse
by Kannan on Feb 09, 2007 08:13 AM Permalink
you guys are so ignorant of history. Can you find enough history of South india in the history books. it's all abt north. all the so called puranas is abt white north vs black south. all the people south of vindyas are considered as demons n monsters. do u know that?? i dont believe that people florished during any kings rule in India..people always suffered..that's y democracy is so good for us.. but we are absuing it.. and it's a fact that two-three crops were harvested in Mysore after tamilians came there.. let's makes no bones abt it.. accept the truth and dont be emotional..if u r educated than i can only pity u K
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by Rationalist on Feb 09, 2007 12:41 PM Permalink
Its not history.Its ur fantasies by which u r trying 2 deceive urseleves. But dont try 2 deceive us. Karnataka has history of conquering almost entire India. U people were never cross KA and enter into North bcos of KA barrier. KA has never depended on TN any point of time. Its only TN that depended on KA bcos of spilling polulation & u people r simply misinterpreting with ur theories of cultivating Karnataka, transfering ur poor language to kannadigas, very laughable.
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by WhoTheHeck on Feb 09, 2007 12:59 PM Permalink
What 'Rationalist' said is 100% correct.TO add to that, You guys act like how muslims act in india, always feeling a part of pakistan. Tamilians,living in Bangalore/karnataka for years,even since birth, and never even once seen TN, still feel that whatever good that should happen should happen only to TN. And because of you filthy guys, the rest of in south(AP and KA) are generally termed as the MADRASI guys, just as how people in UK call all asians PAKI. In respective cases, its the Tamils and Pakistanis who do dirty, filthy things and then the other innocent parties are also catagorized in the same breath. What a pity !! Moral of the Story : Tamilians need to stop being pseudo-proud. And,about what are you guys so proud of anyway ? Stenches, stinking streets ? dirty linen (of Tamilians) ? filthy attitude ? unbrushed,smelling teeth or sock ? Go home, take a leak and stop bluffing !
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by on Feb 09, 2007 08:32 AM Permalink
i pity you for your ignorance and one sided view of facts.You guys have historically perpetuated this injustice and its time to call the bluff
RE:why are all sensible messages being eported for abuse
by Anita Arun on Feb 08, 2007 11:58 PM Permalink
When you see rice do you see it as kannadiga rice or tamil nadu rice or north indian rice? Its rice..its what we need to survive..Share nature, share our country's resources with grace..stop politizing every issue- this only helps the politicians..Thank god we have a river...and are not the sahara!!! MORONS!!!
RE:why are all sensible messages being eported for abuse
by on Feb 08, 2007 11:52 PM Permalink
Hi Kannan, Please do not bring the ethinicity or non-related in the dicussion. This is my brotherly request to you as a fellow Tamil. We are being abused in the past by every one due to our regional politics/misunderstanding. Let us discuss as a cultured Tamil. Thanks.
RE:RE:why are all sensible messages being eported for abuse
by rayker rayker on Feb 09, 2007 01:30 AM Permalink
"cultured Tamil" again ? you say "Please do not bring the ethinicity " and then include "fellow Tamil" its crazy that we dont refer to ourselves as indians first! lets play fair! i guess it was wrong to divide the states according to linguistic preferences in the first place!
RE:RE:RE:why are all sensible messages being eported for abuse
by suresh n on Feb 09, 2007 02:07 AM Permalink
Dude, When your brother/sister makes a mistake, you dont tell them, "we Indians should not make these msitakes", instead you tell them "In our family we dont these mistakes". Thts the sameway Kannan being adviced. Take Care, nsuresh_rasr
1. What scientific method was used to arrive at this decision? If the decision arrived at was solely based on %u2018oral hearing%u2019 from both parties, it is very unscientific. 2. Did the tribunal or any other independent body collect data scientifically, analyze that and arrive at this decision? If yes, what were those findings? Where can one find the details? 3. As an Engineer (not a Civil Engineer, though), I feel that there should have been some scientific data collection and analysis on the following lines, especially since this issue has been tearing the communities apart for over a decade a. Annual rain fall in the upper and lower Kaveri river basin for the last ten years b. Average monthly water levels for the last ten years in all or key water dams in the region c. The effect of water levels in each or key canals on crops/harvest d. Direct economic impact of higher or lower water levels to the farmers in each or key regions e. Any other pertinent data which the %u2018real%u2019 scientists and engineers in the tribunal or independent panel deem necessary
If this data is available anywhere, please provide a link. If not, stop arguing about how much each state or region should be entitled to, because without scientific data it is meaningless to argue.
And, for crying out loud, stop comparing the Kaveri issue with sharing of other rivers in the north: Almost all of them are %u2018born%u2019 in the Himalayas or other colder regions, which doesn%u2019t get affected drastically by rain fall. The agriculture in southern states of India is dependent on rainfall to a larger extent.
Also, STOP using this issue for blaming Kannadigas for everything %u2013 from Belgaum issue to what not. I can point out the shortcomings in each and every one of you, your regions and states. It is not the time or the place to debate.
RE:Where is the scientific data?
by Kannan PMP on Feb 08, 2007 11:35 PM Permalink
if you are so keen about the data search the net get it yourself. FYI north aso depends a lot on rainfall. havent you heard about famine in the north. the question is when we can share with enemy countries why cant you share with your fellow country men. Dont try to project yourself as an intellect as it belies your true intentions.
RE:RE:Where is the scientific data?
by Anilkumar on Feb 08, 2007 11:50 PM Permalink
I can%u2019t blame you if you have %u2019yellow%u2019 fever. Indeed, the whole world would look yellow to you. Don%u2019t forget the oath you took before appearing for your PMP exam. If you have forgotten go back read the material again before barking up the wrong tree. The point is, if you have not understood by now, you have an obligation to listen and respect opinions, and not to simply blame others.
River cauvery has been flowing for centuries now along its course and the civilization has depended on it for generations. It is not fair to claim ownership on it based on its starting points and ending points now. Who knows, an ancestor of persons living on upper basin now would have benefited from Cauvery's lower basin in the past & vice versa.
Scriptures say that a river may change its course once in thousand years. Let us not make it happen faster by playing with environmental stability.
Give nature its due respect and share its fruit amicably.
I dont know whether the award just released has actually gone aginst Karnataka or our politicians are just, as usual, playing with emotions of poor people.But I would like to ask one question to Kannadigas as to why they are against Marathi people in Belgaum and inspite of Marathi speaking majority, even now,not ready to give Belgaum to Maharashtra?Now by force they want to increase kannada in Belgaum by adopting illegal and unhealthy practices.The same Mahajan award has given Kasargod to Kerla but Karnataka is not ready to accept the verdict here and they want to accept the verdict of Mahajan award as for as Belgaum is concerned.So this double standard of karnataka has paved to the way of Cauvery today.
india shares water with 1) china 2) Pakistan 3) Nepal 4)Bangladesh
and Kanndigas cannot even understand the verdict.Karnataka needs to release less water now. and seeing the comments posted here, it shows how ignorant people are. Experts have worked onthis solution for years. we should not be judgemental and emotional. what if Tamilnadu stops sharing power to Karnataka?
RE:Absurd..what if Tamilnadu stops sharing power with Karnataka
by Sumanesh Maharabhusanam on Feb 08, 2007 11:19 PM Permalink
I stand with you, Kannan. Really it is a pain to learn that so called "EDUCATED" are behaving like this. The officials who have inspected are not stupids or biased towards Tamil Nadu. Also, I dont think Karnataka is anyways going to release as much water as in the verdict (Remember in the past 15 years ever since the first verdict came during 1992, Karnataka has never ever respected the verdict and released that much water).
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by sandeep marathe on Feb 08, 2007 11:42 PM Permalink
Hi..I prefer u ppl know the facts well before commenting on anything. First of all, this verdict doesn't take care of ground water which is more in TN than in Karnataka... & also generalising based on a few cases is not gud... Wrt sharing power, I'hve never heard TN sharing power to Karnataka(may be I'm wrong)...Even I can also say that it's politically motivated sinc there r more no. of TN representatives in Centre.(& it's been since 1990's)
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by suresh n on Feb 09, 2007 02:17 AM Permalink
Dude, Lets say Karanataka argues cauvery belongs to them & they are not sharing with TN. Same case TN tells there are lots of power cuts in TN villages so they are not sharing with them, Mumbai says we will import/export only Mumbai products or marathi products... Where the hell will all go.... When you are in a country you need to share... yeah of course KN is paying for the power... but to generate power u need peoples effort & natural resources... tht doesn't apply to water.... Regarding ground water.... do u think the people who surveyed didn't have that in mind???? Man... u can use the ground water for an year or two afterwards there will be no water even to drink.... Take Care, nsuresh_rasr
RE:Absurd..what if Tamilnadu stops sharing power with Karnataka
by mj on Feb 08, 2007 11:17 PM Permalink
What if Tamil Nadu stops 'sharing' power? eh..
Fact of the matter is TN is NOT 'sharing' power. Ktaka is paying for it. TN is making money out of it. Is this the only/best argument you guys have?
Dear Rajneesh, I know how much you have hurted by these issues which is causing India go back to stone age.This is not particular case with Karnataka it is happening everywhere all because of bad Politicians. As I belongs to Karnataka everyday I am scaring to move from my home to office. You don't know the exact situation, who are all causing these riots are not kannadigas or indians, they are terrorists who are causing Indian drawbacks. Actual part is Karnataka received 270 TMC of water than to TamilNadu of 456TMC, is it fair?
RE:Rajneesh Please don't comment harshly
by Rajneesh Mehta on Feb 08, 2007 11:05 PM Permalink
Dear Ravindra, Can we really do anything about it? i am not being harsh atall. Pls dont feel offended. Accept my sincere apology in that case. Numbers wont matter much. What exactly is happening is that we normal citizens are being taken for a ride. That should stop forthwith. and only we ourselves can do that by not paying much attention to what the politicians say. Anyway i sincerely hope people see the light of the day at the earliest and this trouble is sorted out ASAP
RE:Rajneesh Please don't comment harshly
by srinivsasn on Feb 08, 2007 10:59 PM Permalink
can u pls explain y the tribunal took 15 yrs to make this incorrect decision?
RE:RE:Rajneesh Please don't comment harshly
by Rationalist on Feb 09, 2007 08:50 PM Permalink
yeah,that to for giving a very similar verdict as to previous one without much change, y it wasted 15 long years.U people go by magnitue of time & try to fool,open ur eyes & look at the differnce in verdict to the previous one.Its for every one 2 see though Tamils r blind to it.
RE:Rajneesh Please don't comment harshly
by Rajendra Bongale on Feb 08, 2007 11:02 PM Permalink
Why don't you read the experts openion who says that this award is benifitted Krnataka who can now keep 50 tmcft water more than before.Dont behave like foolish politicians who for the sake of keeping issue alive playing this game.
Tribunal hasnt asked Karnataka to release 400 TMC ft to tamilnadu.
People of karnataka,Dont be emotional and fall prey to the polticians in your state.
Cauvery Verdict clearly says that karnataka has to release 192 TMC ft to TN and the rest, TN has to manage from the Cauvery catchment areas inside TN.
in the interim order, Tribunal asked karnataka to release 205 TMC ft. But now in the final verdict it is far less than that. ie 192 TMC ft.
If you still dont want to share the cauvery water, better to take it legally. Shouting on the streets and blocking the roads is going to do nothing to karnataka.Only Karnataka name will be spoiled. And IT companies of Bangalore will try their alternate location as CHENNAI and HYDERABAD. Already the IT infrastructure and IT resource environment in these cities are much much better than bangalore.
I dont know why people of karnataka is mislead and misinformed.
Whom to Blame, whether the people of karnataka or the politicians?.
RE:People of Karnataka - Please understand the VERDICT.
by Ravindra Mahabaleshwara on Feb 08, 2007 10:42 PM Permalink
Hi, what you said is correct, but these are all happening due to bad politicians. Nothing will happen, the same verdict will be remained. Hope Karnataka and Tamilnadu become good neighbours. The mutual relations should alter to make us pride.
RE:RE:People of Karnataka - Please understand the VERDICT.
by srinivsasn on Feb 08, 2007 11:01 PM Permalink
i agree with ravindra.. we should live in harmony and strive towards a peaceful solution to this verdict than staging dharnas and causing concern to everyday life.
As some one rightly said, the issue is totally politicized & our politicians wants the issue to be alive like that of 'POK', The issue could have defdinitely amicably resolved, had if farmers of both the states were involved in discussions.
However, my own reservations on the kind of protests are happening time to time; what is being acheived by these protests is - loss of our own public property, loss of our own state revenue, loss of lou own people's lives!,loss of time, unpresidented tension among the public espetially kids & elderly and etc........ I sthis the objective of protests ? No definitely not and hence what is required all interested parties should either gherao parliament or do hunder strike in front of parliament till justise is done. Hope all my beothers are listenning to me .
After all we INDIANs should live as brothers & sisters inspite of differences and difficulties.
Don't comment if you don't know exact situation.Do you agree if Karnataka receives less water than Tamilnadu although tamilnadu is having good underground water level. Nobody wants quarrel with neighbours,its are all happening due to bad politics. Please understand the truth. Cauvery belongs to everyone, its not own property.
RE:Please try to understand exact situation & then reply
by siva kumar on Feb 08, 2007 11:18 PM Permalink
What are you trying to explain. Hope you are a educated gentleman. The verdict is given after doing a lot of study on both the states. Even then you are going to say injustice has been done, please travel to southern part of the cauvery delta region and you will understand how much the farmers are affected. Even then you are not satisfied then no body can help.
RE:RE:Please try to understand exact situation & then reply
by sandeep marathe on Feb 08, 2007 11:43 PM Permalink
Hope u hve also travelled to parts of karnataka where cauvery flows !!
