Please read the tribunal's justification for the award.
It says the chief consideration for deciding on the issue was ensuring equity to both states by taking into account the past and present patterns of consumption of water. In TN, the main crop that depends on Cauvery water is paddy which needs a lot of water. Paddy has been the chief crop for several centuries and the main sustenance for this has been the Cauvery. As far as development of dams is concerned, the tribunal has observed that most of the irrigation potential of the TN had been achieved by 1974 (as visualised in the 1924 agreement between the then princely state of Mysore and the British presidency of Madras). However, Karnataka could not achieve what was stipulated in this agreement within the time specified. Moreover, the state had made it's claim for irrigation of semi dry crops (which were planned in new project areas). Semi dry crops need much less water than water intensive crops like paddy.
The irrigated/to be irrigated areas of TN and Karnataka with Cauvery water are 24.7 and 18.8 lakh acres respectively as per the award. The tribunal took into account various factors to arrive at these figures. These were 1) Pre 1924 status of usage, 2) Areas fixed in the 1924 agreement, 3) Areas otherwise developed by the two states that merited consideration and 4) Minor irrigation projects. Except with respect to the first factor, Karnataka's share is either comparable or substantially higher than that of TN. As regards the pre 1924 status, TN had 15 lakh acres dependent on Cauvery water while Karnataka (which too had paddy cultivation in the Cauvery basin at that time) had traditionally had only 3.4 lakh acres dependent on the Cauvery. It is chiefly this difference that has led to TN getting a substantially higher share of the award.
As far as Kerala's share is concerned, please note that all riparian states have a valid claim on river water.
One should consider these factors carefully to realise that the current award is a fair deal, especially when the combined claim of the two states is much more than the total quantum of water available in the Cauvery.
It is a ofence to publish this kind of statements with out review it. Here i saw all educated fools are blaming each other. I am very sad to see my fellow indians never feel that they are indians.
RE:Tulu
by rayker rayker on Feb 10, 2007 12:51 AM Permalink
wrong forum, wrong timing. you are almost certainly going to get flamed, or ignored. this is a debate about water sharing. so, kind dont fish in troubled waters.
There is the fight over the Cauvery between Karnatak and TN. There is the fight over the Belgaum between Karnatak and MH. There is the fight over the Krishna between Karnatak and AP. There is the fight over the Godavari between Karnatak and AP.
Isn't all these inter-state fighting in the whole of India really silly. We need to learn to live together.
RE:lets not fight
by rayker rayker on Feb 10, 2007 12:12 AM Permalink
hidden in your reply is a troll, as you seek to paint karnataka in the wrong again. so please be fair, and do not provoke people. troll.
RE:RE:lets not fight
by ShivSena on Feb 10, 2007 12:24 AM Permalink
I beg Karnataka not to fight with MH but to give Belgaum back and peace will prevail.
RE:RE:RE:lets not fight
by NARAYAN DIXIT on Feb 13, 2007 11:33 AM Permalink
beg once again but sorry, we dont put anything to beggers. save your mumbai. it may ..........
RE:RE:RE:lets not fight
by rayker rayker on Feb 10, 2007 12:48 AM Permalink
wrong forum. wrong time. raising the issue of belgaum here is almost certainly going to raise some dust here. its fishing in troubled waters.
RE:RE:lets not fight
by Uttar Pradesh on Feb 10, 2007 12:22 AM Permalink
its not my intention to show that karnatak fights all the time with its neighbours. I was trying to think of another inter-state arguement and couldnt think of any. I know Haryana and Punjab had water problem but that was sorted out. Its not my intention to show Karnatak in poor light. I am sure my Kannad friends understand that. My intention is to show that states shouldn't fight whether its Karnatak or not.
RE:RE:RE:lets not fight
by rayker rayker on Feb 10, 2007 12:44 AM Permalink
there has been bickering between lots of states all the time, there's Assamese and people of UP/ Bihar currently. There have been disputes in the past between states. so whats the point ? if those people have sorted it out - it was at SOME point a "current" issue. you chose to gloss over those conveniently, and highlight problems with "karnataka". lame man, thats a clear bias. also, you have only problems regarding karnataka on the top of your mind. this might be intentional or unintentional. the reason why i see it as troll is that yu are fedding the frenzy. if not i dont mind you comments one bit, everyone is entitled to form thier opinions.
Your so-called daughter-of-MH has been married and happily settled down in her in-laws(Karnataka). Hope that, atleast for the sake of your daughter(Belgaum), u dont bring up this 'divorce' issue again. And dont spoil her children's (belgaum people) happiness with such politically-deserving remarks !
RE:your child(belgaum) is married and in karnataka(in-laws)
by santosh on Feb 09, 2007 11:56 PM Permalink
The Daughter-in-law should say whether she is living happily or not and not the so called "mother in law". Why not KA graciously call for a referundum to find out that. Let the issue be buried once and for all. Thanks.
RE:RE:RE:your child(belgaum) is married and in karnataka(in-laws)
by Rationalist on Feb 10, 2007 12:20 AM Permalink
Like that half of MH is stolen from KA.
RE:RE:RE:RE:your child(belgaum) is married and in karnataka(in-laws)
by ShivSena on Feb 10, 2007 12:24 AM Permalink
where is proof in that. No part of MH has a Kannada majority. Belgaum has a Marathi majority. Even when Belgaum was given to Karnataka, there was pleading from the locals to go to Maharashtra. No place in Maharashtra asked to go with Karnataka
RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:your child(belgaum) is married and in karnataka(in-laws)
by Rationalist on Feb 10, 2007 12:37 AM Permalink
For eg Sholapur, Akalkot.By the way how old is Maharastra? KA is almost 2000 yrs old.In history that Kannada was known as the country between Godavari & Kaveri.But all that is lost due to intrusions from North it is reduced to only so much.There r lot of places in MH of which u wont b Knowing meanings of the names.(Borivilli -Borvalli, Lonavalla etc).Thats bcos derived from Kannada names.Those were the places where major dynasties of Kannada Kings existed.
RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:your child(belgaum) is married and in karnataka(in-laws)
by Rationalist on Feb 10, 2007 11:09 AM Permalink
Before re union of states in Bombay Karnataka Kannadigas were made to learn Marathi. They used their power tried to Marathise whole region & result KA had 2 loose lot of its territories. If the British rule had contd for another 25 yrs lot of places could have been merged into MH.Nice way of claiming places.
RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:your child(belgaum) is married and in karnataka(in-laws)
by Rationalist on Feb 10, 2007 01:17 AM Permalink
Most of places which reunited into were into KA from Bombay region were imposed with Marathi influence due to which there places and like Sholapur, Akalkot etc were lost as people there could speak both languages and they where Kannadigas were majority. For that reason KA had to shed them & accept whatever the report commision gave.Same with Kasargod in Kerela. Central govt to please kerela & TN sanatched Kasargod & joined it into Kerela.I can just give u long list of such places. Who r the losers?
RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:your child(belgaum) is married and in karnataka(in-laws)
by ShivSena on Feb 10, 2007 12:47 AM Permalink
if we have to go by that logic then the whole of south india should belong to Tamils. Even bangalore was run by chola king at one point. The point is that Marathi people made the majority at the time of independence and make the majority now. It will still be part of a contiguous MH and Kar completely ignored the development of Belgaum due to the marathi population
RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:your child(belgaum) is married and in karnataka(in-laws)
by ShivSena on Feb 10, 2007 12:52 AM Permalink
If Karnataka is between Godavari and Kaveri, r u going to give whatever is south of kaveri back to kerala
RE:RE:RE:your child(belgaum) is married and in karnataka(in-laws)
by NARAYAN DIXIT on Feb 13, 2007 11:43 AM Permalink
if we have the habit of stealing like u we wud have stolen your bomb bey long back. dont urgue in case of bgm. tell ur marathas in bgm to co-operate us
RE:why fight
by on Feb 09, 2007 11:38 PM Permalink
there is no fight over Belgaum. Belgaum is majority Marathi people and should be back with MH as soon as the supreme court decides on the verdict.
RE:why fight
by Southie on Feb 09, 2007 11:14 PM Permalink
i agree, i copied and pasted this message of yours earlier but someone reported as abuse. We, in India, need to stick together and not fight. All these fighting is silly.
1) I appreciate your comment that not to generalize with single incident. In your message you have mentioned that there was a problem to your relative because of Sanskrit inscription in Chennai. Was it in the near past? or very very long ago? Also any your relatives are physically abused? Any way I am sorry to hear that. To my knowledge no body ever was physically abused because of any Language in TN.
Ps: I understand till 20 years ago, there was some organization black painting the Hindi letters. But these things drastically reduced in the decade. I believe every 10 to 20 years generation changes. So I request people not to write a opinion based on very old things.
Now lot of TN children are learning Hindi, the opposition is only at the Government. Recently Hindi Prachar Saba chairman commented that she was pleasently surprise to know the prevalence of Hindi in recent years, inspite of political opposition.
2)
To those writing about TN and Chennai: There are lot of Malayalees living in TN, the government recently declared local holiday for Oonam[A festival celebrated only by Malayalees] in Coimbatore dist and Nilgirs dist. Also they are planning to give local holiday in Chennai as well. How do you take this? For me it shows the tolerence and acceptability of TN. Please comment.
RE:Generalization
by rayker rayker on Feb 09, 2007 10:57 PM Permalink
of course, its hearty to notice that there's a great camaraderie amongst all sections of society. i'm not the one to paint everyone with a black brush. i formed that opinion just to point out that its not as if there's absolutely no problem amongst tamilians as you chose to put it, and how you chose to point that kannadigas have problem, and are violent. whenever there's a huge migrant population from other states into a particular state - the local population feels threatened, and the politicians add fuel to this. bangalore is quite cosmopolitan, the image of course has taken a beating with the recent riots. bombay has the same issue with migrant population, because its threatening the locals in job security. its the same in USA with asian software enggs, or mexicans doing the lower strata of work.
there's a lot of keralites in mangalore, who have their own festivals and samajam, living peacefully, also a lot of nurses who get educated, and also travel to gulf via mangalore. there's a tibetan colony in coorg, and also in mundgod in ktk, who live peacefully. if you also notice there are lambanis, coorgis, tulu, konkani, malayalee speaking people who're at ease living in ktk. there's a small base of marwari, rajasthani , gujurathi community people in pockets of karnataka living happily and doing good business. there are jain temples which are quite popular in humcha, karkala etc, who are also equally at ease. there's a lot of trade and traffic between goa and the konkan districts. contrary to the popular belief there's a huge number of people who have good trade contacts and have relatives and friends from maharastra.
i personally have friends and relatives from maharastra, andhra, tamilnadu & kerala , and if i count my college mates probably all over india - we are perfectly happy, and in constant touch. i dont see any problems and we dont even discuss about any kind of a hatred. As you might have missed my point in the post... its the politicians and the self centred outfits who are responsible. there might be a few rabid elements on the message boards - but they are not representatives of the respective states and communities. i see a great degree of tolerance and acceptability in ktk too. i'd say its very naive to judge situations, communities and people in general & en masse if you go by news and media reports. peace.
RE:RE:Generalization
by rayker rayker on Feb 09, 2007 11:05 PM Permalink
i just noticed that it wasnt you who had made the original post, i had replied to that remark. and also no they were'nt physically abused thanx to soem quick thinking by my relatives who of course had lived thier entire lives there spoke good tamil and had the guts to speak out to the crowd, saying "thats sanskrit you idiots" and they left the place. a lot of people around had issues, and i just recall that incident as told by him to me, i dint note how many were injured or how many in the city were abused - i dont care - those stats dont mean anything to me anyways.
