RE:AP
by harish b on Feb 07, 2007 02:38 PM Permalink
We Kannadigas shown India what is IT. That is why neighbouring state people are dyeing to settle in Bangalore otherwise they have to look on the cows,which there fore fathers who have left them. You Telugu & Tamil are improving by seeing the Bangalore. Without Banglaore India can't be recognised as Software Super Power.Don't make comment on the state which has most inteligence, If your state has people why the hell Till now your state is, as it was in under BRITISH.
RE:RE:AP
by PRABHAKAR BV on Feb 07, 2007 03:32 PM Permalink
Hold on, Dear. It is not Kannadigas alone who hv developed IT. The majority of IT is developed by outsiders. I think Kannadigas (whose identity is not well establised and are little known outside until recently - unlike Tamils or Andhras who have well established identity throughout the world centuries back) are facing identity crisis and would like to establish their identity thro' this issue. Bangalore is not the property of Karnataka alone. In fact, it is the international city which belongs to the whole world given that the it is the IT CAPITAL of the world.
RE:RE:RE:AP
by Prasanna Veerabhadraiah on Feb 07, 2007 04:27 PM Permalink
then why dont you go & make chennai the IT CAPITAL of the world. All the best dude!
RE:AP
by Shankaracharya on Feb 07, 2007 02:03 PM Permalink
there is no need for andhra to fight with Karnataka and Tamil. Neither do these happen: REASON: Telugus are much better entrenched in locally economy, politics, bearucracy. It is in their interest to see that the wheels of business keep turning. Unlike Tamils, who are only white collar pros, telugus generate employment in many sectors--real estate,hotels, bars,construction,trading.... Also be it in Karnataka or Tamilnadu, they don't live in ghettos. In fact they adopt the local lingo and are able to speak with as much fluency if not better than the localites.
RE:AP
by Rakesh R on Feb 07, 2007 01:36 PM Permalink
if it aint for bangalore, u ppl wud b living in ur retard village with loathing as your full time profession. nobody asked anbody to leave the state. we are such big hearted ppl that we can even digest weeds like u. As a matter of fact, 60% of bangaloreans are outsiders. lets see u give the same statistics about any other place in India. chennai has 88% local population. why? coz its too hostile for outsiders. same with ur andhra. n IT can prosper in a big manner without telugus or tamils. u would b ploughin in ur retard village, if it wasnt for bangalore.
RE:RE:AP
by The Lion on Feb 07, 2007 04:32 PM Permalink
How said not to go there and enjoy life. You ppl are dump and dont move anywhere else and so not see.
RE:RE:AP
by Ramya on Feb 07, 2007 02:03 PM Permalink
I very well appreciate what U've said above, Rakesh. And for U Mr/Ms. AP, please mind UR work n U bother about UR state. U have no business to poke UR filthy nose in matters related to Karnataka. U have absolutely no rights to talk of any issues related to Karnataka n U live here coz V R hospitable, but U might have as well known our strengths too during most of the riots. So better look out for UR safety & don't ever bother to comment on us Kannadiga's. BTW, R V Kannadiga's inviting U damn guys from AP or TN to come down. Get going to UR states. Or days may come when U'll get chucked too.
I think the peoples from both the states are going over board against each other (though both are good peace loving citizens & infinitely supporting towards each other) on the basis of media reports & politicians/extremists comments. They must understand the basic facts on which this verdict is out as an intellectual-looking-way rather than being emotional. 1) If all of us have agreed & appreciated the efforts and judgements of our jucidiary in Priyadarshini Matoo, Jessica Lal & "Void of laws in 9th Schedule", we must alteast re-look at the facts as this particular verdict has taken 17 years of working between well knowledged historians, scholars, lawyers, bureaucrats, level-minded representatives of both the states. 2) They have taken consideration of the facts & documents submitted before the tribunal on the complete cauvery basin in "as-is-where-is" basis of the last few decades till now & have to come to a conclusion 3) The major understanding has been done on the basis of "Agricultural lands, its crop pattern, its water requirements w.r.t FARMERS" and "Common peoples water requirement against available water resources". 4) The complete data on these facts have been provided by both the states, which have been verified, discussed, deliberated & mutually concluded among all the above mentioned knowledged peoples representing their states 5) Infact its taken 17years for the whole lot of well knowledged people after more than 550 sittings at various levels to discuss the matter as and when of getting new details which might be important before arriving at final conclusion. 6) So the Judiciary which is independent of "Parliament & Executive" has arrived at a conclusion based on the facts & details provided by the powers manning parliament. 7) Now the same powers (read politicians & their working class)responsible for providing details & upholding their point-of-view with nothing but mere-facts, have come out on the road fuelling intra-state-extremists & playing on sentiments of the common-citizens like you and me. 8) What do we do ? Probably I just vent out my opinion here in this forum & you might agree or hold your sentimental views based on your understandings / likings. That is absolutely right & ok. 9) But whats next? 10) After few days of fuelling attempts being done by both the state politicans to take advantage of their positions (benificiary state may trumpet self-glory & affected state may go defensive = both actions fuelling extremist activites against each other state peoples), it will stop after few days or weeks leaving the common people being the affected & few losses on account of human lives, economy, etc. Neverthless such acts now-a-days very common in this century as every country is progressing on individualism. 11) But one must understand that NUMBERS i.e. Karnataka would be releasing 192tmc water to TN in a year.Out of 419tmc allotted to TN from the cauvery basin, only 192tmc will go out of Karnataka basin, since the remaining are present in TN itself. Already Karnataka was ordered by the tribunal in 1990 to release 205tmc which resulted in Big Riots between both states with few losses in all areas. Since then Karnataka has been following this reluctantly & both side farmers & citizens have come to reconcile this fact slowly, but surely. 12) Hence the release of water is nothing new (though its a seperate story that addl 12tmc would go out of Karnataka due to Mettur/biddgnta logisticial positions). But the riots & other will happen irrepsective the position being almost same. 13) As the whole calculation is happening on the basis of "Accumulated water in Cauvery basin being 740tmc on NATURAL RAIN" and not any scientific measures. 14) Due to any monsoon changes (which is very likely due to geo-environmental changes) if the acculmulated water being insufficient of the estimated 740tmc, every state will feel the shortage & the resultant losses will felt by both farmers & the common citizens. 15) In such monsoon-affected sceneario's Karnataka can't be pushed to release the allotted numbers due to short-falls at its own region. 16) Hence this issue is going to be an ever-permenant matter for both the side state politiciants to use as a tool for election & selfish-party gains, like 'Hindutva-with-BJP' & 'Minority-appeasement-with-Congress'. 17) What NOW? 18) As an affected state Karnataka (if it feels so - as none of the important & knowledged political or mass leader has thrown any challengeable facts for the STATE to act intelligently for an appeal) can appeal with its own MERIT points for a redressal, which shall easily take another few years for the court to understand & give judgement. Till this final judgement they need not consider the 192tmc, but have to adhere to the earlier 1990verdict of 205tmc. 19) Even if there is an appeal or no appeal, still Karnataka may / need / necessarily not release 192tmc on the grounds of Rain-shortfall, Agricultural-pattern-change-in-the-state leading to more water requirement, Internal-state-civil-unrest-among-farmers, OR for purely-political-nous. 20) In such a scenario too, the aggreived state (who else TN) can only approach Centre or Court to resolve the disputs & ask them to ensure Karnataka releases its quota of water. This means again a political-twist-between the states with each having its own weights & counter-weights at Centre, hence a EVER-LONG-POLITICAL-AGENDA at SOUTH for politicians being "CAUVERY WATERS". 21) Because Judiciary can only be an upholder of unbiased, bipartisan rights for each citizents/state, but can't direct the Parliament to behave or dictate its processess. 22) Oh God. Whatever you would have thought after creating us, but we ourselves are creating much-better-things for our FUTURE.
The author has pointed that Karnataka released more water than the stipulated amount in the past. But under what circumstances?. All the reservoirs were dangerously filled. Karnataka filled all its reservoirs to its fullest extent and then suddenly released the excess flooding the whole cauvery basin in Tamilnadu.This shows that this article is not credible.
RE:Flawed article
by hoiko badko on Feb 07, 2007 03:08 PM Permalink
Karnataka has not released water only in three circustances when there is drought. If there is no water in river itself where is the question of releasing water ? Karnataka cannot manufacture water and release water in such drougt situations.
In the reverse case when there is excess water has to be released otherwise entire Karnataka will get sub merged and later Tamilnadu. We cannot defy nature . Can we ?
I think this article puts things into perspective. How old handed the tribunal is and how step brotherly attitude center has towards karnataka. It's vote bank politics my friend. It's not Kanadda VS Tamil. Based on 42.3% of the delta Karnataka owns, it should get 42.3% of the water. As simple as that is. It's left to the concerned state how they should use it. This will invariably stunt Karnatakas growth plans for bringing more land under irrigation. BTW, why are we even voting for Congress in the state. We should follow tamilnadu way where their just cannot have a strong central national party presence there.We will atleast be heard then.
RE:Great article
by hoiko badko on Feb 07, 2007 03:12 PM Permalink
I agree with you cc. It's really very difficult implement the verdict unless it's fair to every one. This also shows that Karnataka is very poorly represented in the center. It's political game now.
Alamadi in Kar has caused much trouble for AP. Kar fights with all its neighboring state. THey dont realize that the water should be used to look after everyone. I have lived in Chennai and no one in chennai has ever asked any telugus to leave during inter-state disagreement. This only happens in Jingoistic Karnataka. I only pity the outside people who live there. THe problem is that they can't do the IT without the telugus and the tamils in Kar.
RE:AP and TN
by on Feb 07, 2007 02:36 PM Permalink
by saying rubbish things hundred times does not make any sense. Bangalore is served better off Tamils. Just go off Bangalore and see yourself bangalore cherish
RE:RE:AP and TN
by muthu raman on Feb 07, 2007 02:58 PM Permalink
HOW DO U TALK LIKE THIS?...AND MODERATOR DISABLED THIS REPLY? HE IS SAYING TAMILS AS INSECTS! WATS THE MOTTO OF REDIFF? PLS ENCORAUGE HEALTHY ARGUEMENTS ONLY.
I request the readers and the author to read the verdict properly before making emotional comments like "It is our water!!!.We cant share!!!"etc. Media is to blame for the entire episode for its flawed report. Karnataka has to release only 192 TMC of water to Tamilnadu which includes 1.10 TMC - for environmental protection 2.4 TMC - share for inevitable drainage into sea. 3. 10 TMC & 3 TMC - sharing with kerala thro' Amaravathy and Pambar resevoirs. The remaining is the actual share for Tamilnadu. Whereas the total 270 TMC share of karnataka excludes excess during monsoon. During Monsoons, karnataka needn't give even 1 TMC in addition to the stipulated amount. The author has not taken these things in account. Look at his figures.
RE:Calm
by hoiko badko on Feb 07, 2007 03:36 PM Permalink
Exactly !! CM HDK has shown great maturity about handling this issue until now. Let's support him in this.
RE:Rediff is flawed!
by EDITOR on Feb 07, 2007 12:29 PM Permalink
WE HAVE TAKEN DUE CARE TO MAINTAIN THAT THE ARTICLE IS AN UNBIASED ANALYSIS OF THE SITUATION.
RE:RE:Rediff is flawed!
by Maha Stud on Feb 07, 2007 12:35 PM Permalink
how cud we beleive dat these facts (in rediff) are true ..... its NOT supported by evidence
RE:RE:RE:Rediff is flawed!
by Vidhyadhar rao on Feb 07, 2007 12:55 PM Permalink
My question to Rediff is Can you convince to the Tribunal and Experts that your article is technically correct or unbiased ? Is Rediff ready to take up the matter in the Court ??? Pls reply.
RE:RE:RE:RE:Rediff is flawed!
by EDITOR on Feb 07, 2007 01:08 PM Permalink
SIR,
WE HAVE AN EFFICIENT TEAM OF RESERACHERS TO PROVIDE YOU A WELL EXECUTED RESEARCH.HOWEVER NO MEDIA HOUSE TAKES MATTER TO THE COURT.ALL OUR READERS ARE VAKUABLE TO US IRRESPECTIVE OF ANY CASTE , CREED OR COMMUNITY.
RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:Rediff is flawed!
by Roshan on Feb 10, 2007 01:07 PM Permalink
Thisis for the Pillay Boy..Pls Stop poking your Nose and other stuff into our (Kannadigas Tamils) issue. We are matured enough to resolve it. You guys keep out of it !!
RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:Rediff is flawed!
by praveen pillay on Feb 09, 2007 02:02 AM Permalink
Rediff.com does not reply you morons... Some misguided kannada A.H. is writing like rediff.com
RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:Rediff is flawed!
by Vidhyadhar rao on Feb 07, 2007 01:30 PM Permalink
If you have a well-executed research team and you think that ur facts are right, why dont you set a good precedent and take the matter to Supreme Court? We would appreciate Rediff Team if you fight for a social cause like this.
RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:Rediff is flawed!
by Prasanna Veerabhadraiah on Feb 07, 2007 03:26 PM Permalink
Rediff, please refrain from answering such questions. There will be no end to some foolish people's thoughts.(typical example is in below statement - he says it is social cause, on that other hand he is against the cause)
Hi, The main thing which the writer thinks the verdict as flawed is the GroundWater in TN which > that in Karnataka with respect to the cauvery basin. This is definitely true but it should be kept in mind that GroundWater is replinished only when water flows in cauvery downstream (or) the rains.. The problem comes when there is drought. During excess,this problem does not arise at all.
GroundWater is renewable resource only when river has water or rains come.
So my view is GroundWater might not be a suitable factor to decide that this verdict to be flawed in presence of drought conditions.
