It is perplexing as to why it took 17 years for such an award to be made. Surely, this award could have been made in 17 months?
Unfortunately, successive governments have used the Cauvery issue as a political tool. Not once has there been an honest attempt to sit across the table with facts and figures and arrive at an amicable solution. More than anything else, water should have been treated as a national resource and the optimum utilization of this scarce resource should have been the guiding principle.
The tribunal seems to have missed the ground realities and possible repurcussions while announcing the award. The aftermath of the interim award in 1991 seems to have been ignored in totality. Further, in announcing certain numbers, the award has caused utter confusion among common people and this has thrown open the doors for politicians and vested interests to exploit.
Even now, it is not too late to undo the damage. What is required is statesmanship and a realization that all people depending on the river are Indians first and everything else next.
As an example, instead of announcing 419 TMC ft for Tamil Nadu and 270 TMC ft for Karnataka, which prima facie has been interpreted as a raw deal for Karnataka, the tribunal could have fixed the quantum of water to be released by Karnataka in normal and sub-normal years. As a hypothetical example, if the award had said that in a normal year, Karnataka could retain 66.67% (2/3rds) of the water and release 33.33% (1/3rd), much of the confusion could have been avoided. While the actual figures would not have changed dramatically, psychologically Karnataka would probably have been satisfied. Similarly, in a distress year, where the rainfall was less than 75% of the normal, Karnataka could have been allowed to retain 3/4 and asked to release 1/4.
In summary, if only the human element had been kept in mind instead of cold facts, and if the award had relied on percentages or ratios as opposed to absolute numbers, much of the hearburn could perhaps have been avoided.
It is hoped that even now wisdom will prevail on all concerned. As ordinary citizens, all that we are interested is in a peaceful India where we can get on with the work of nation-building. We have had enough of strife over the last 60 years. It is time to say enough is enough and to move on.
RE:Cauvery Tribunal Award
by Raja Krsnan on Feb 07, 2007 10:49 AM Permalink
your comments make some sense. tribunal should have pronounced it in percentages as it would not have created any confusion. it is clear then the water is shares in these ratios during normal years and during drought it will be shared in a different set of ratios. Tribunal has to learn how to pronounce thier verdicts.
RE:Cauvery Tribunal Award
by GAUTAM BARDOLOI on Feb 07, 2007 09:25 AM Permalink
If we connect the Brahmaputra to other major rivers of India,Assam will get rid of flood and other states will stop fighting for water.
We only talk,now some other country may divert the mighty river outside India and at the source itself.We will just be silent spectators!
RE:solution
by on Feb 07, 2007 12:01 PM Permalink
Nah, just rename Tamilnadu as Karnataka. I don't think there is anything wrong with this article. The facts are clearly written.
RE:RE:solution
by Prasanna Veerabhadraiah on Feb 07, 2007 03:52 PM Permalink
sachin, its like changing your dad to your neighbour. Will you accept? this case is same.
MS Swaminathan had started research to discover a veriety of rice that can grow with less water and give more yield. Karunanidhi stopped the research for political reasons. If that variety is not the same as the one mentioned by the author of this article, then Karnataka should fund the research and adopt it. Else, adopt the variety mentioned by the author. Repair the canals and utilize the water judiciously.
It is too much to expect scientific verdict from tribunals. In the last 16-17 years, they might have done 100 mandays of work!!!!
RE:Why the Cauvery award is flawed
by ram mohan on Feb 07, 2007 09:24 AM Permalink
you are not suppose to comment our leaders and eminient scientists.....try to make your persons like our braves..... is it possible...for that we'll help you dear
RE:Why the Cauvery award is flawed
by Raja Krsnan on Feb 07, 2007 10:54 AM Permalink
bang on target. karunanidhi must have stopped it for vote bank politics and his career depends on it. where as MSSwaminathan's is a fight to give more to the farmers and consumers. Karnataka has a history of contributing immensely to the development of science and technology. i think kiran's suggestion is apt. we should take up the matter with karnataka government to invite swaminathan to set up a researh and development instittute for the development of agriculture that will benefit all the humanity
RE:RE:Why the Cauvery award is flawed
by ravi chakravarthi on Feb 07, 2007 12:13 PM Permalink
Karunanidhi has played his entire politics over last 3-4 decades over cauvery ..exploiting the tamilian emotions over this river .. Poor tamils, also keep getting fooled by this guy ..and today the people are fighting water wars over the net , while the old man is enjoying himself, basking in reflected glory ... wake up tamils, find a good leader ..
We should privatise rivers at the earliest to solve these problems. Let a private consortium get the stake for all the water. Then whoever needs water can buy from them. This will help in the following:
1. It will drive the point that water is a RESOURCE and it has a cost.
2. Which ever state has more money they can buy.
3. Water will not be wasted as it will be precious-in real terms-MOST important
RE:Privatise Rivers!
by Raja Krsnan on Feb 07, 2007 10:56 AM Permalink
Graet idea. But not workable in the near future. Do you think this will be a reality when bandicoots are sitting in water resources and irrigation departments? they will be the stumbling blocks in the way to declare water as a resource.
Well we got used to using everything free. it will take a bit of time before some sense is driven into the minds of our policy makers.
One should look at what is the level of water available in KRS and then talk all this bullshit things...It is not just question of releasing the water, question is what is the quantity of water being released...and is that water used properly after receiving....acording to me more than 50% of todays bangalore don't have drinking water supplied by BWSSB. People are dependent on the ground water/borewell etc...When you don't have water to drink at your home itself, from where you will supply water to others??
RE:RE:Justice done overall
by on Feb 07, 2007 08:54 AM Permalink
today karnataka release 205 tmc ft of water. Tribunal is asking 192 tmc ft so where is the problem. Bangalore had around 62 lakes few years back most of these are filled up by locals and land sold to builders. remaining lakes are highly polluted and contaminated . Who is responsible for destruction of water bodies ? If you see BTM layout was once a lake. There is no Sandra remaining in Thippasandra . C.V raman nagar lake is highly polluted and fraction of what it was earlier. Now we have Bagmanetech park build by brother in law of SM krisha on this lake bed. People of Karnataka should try to find answers inwards rather then venting out anger outwards.
RE:RE:Justice done overall
by Mahesh S on Feb 07, 2007 11:16 AM Permalink
this is in reply to a blocked reply .. yes.. people like u come from out side and bring with you the tippe from ur place and spoil blore.
RE:RE:dear brother
by on Feb 07, 2007 08:37 AM Permalink
Before you call southern states 300 years forward compare development level in Western UP and Northern karnataka or telengana in AP.
Karnataka is not just Bangalore and Mysore it also has Bellay Raichure , Bidar which are poverty striken and development level matches to that of eastern UP and Bihar.
Incidences of dowery related harassment is equally and even more widespread in Andhra and Karnataka. On the other hand if you want to compair urben infrastruture Noida is definately better then Bangalore. All these stories of South being lightyears ahead are fanned by regionalism and chuvanism. For your kind information highest growing states in India are Hariyana and Gujrat which is almost equal to China (10 %). Will it be correct if Gujrat or Hariyana starts saying that southern and northern states are a dragging factor ?
development level in rural western utter pradesh , Northern MP , eastern rajisthan is any day better then drought prone interiar karnataka, TN and Andhra. Its time southerners wake up to the fact that growth just does not mean city based growth fulled by IT and BPO it needs to be more broad based and equitable.
In my openion Gujrat presents best development model as it is generating a large blue coller jobs apart from white coller ones.
Disclamer : I am not a Gujrati and I am based in Bangalore
RE:RE:RE:dear brother
by Indian Fool on Feb 07, 2007 08:41 AM Permalink
Oh yeah Gujarat. That picture that comes to my mind is Godhra and post godhra riots. Wonderful to see a person from a state which has excluded an entire community teaching us about broad-based equitable growth
RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:dear brother
by Mahesh S on Feb 07, 2007 09:05 AM Permalink
If you are so much pleased with North, why the hell are you not going there. And how do you explain the Nathari killings. Its not just two persons involved. The whole system there is to be blamed. Your background is not from here and hence you dont understand the people's problems and sentiments. So, u dont have any right to talk abt our region. Before blaming it ask your self what have u done for this region.
RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:dear brother
by magesh govindan on Feb 07, 2007 09:14 AM Permalink
Well said!!!. Let's try to stick to the issue that is on discussion and not get into pointing fingers. This forum seems to have become a place for bickering and it happens on almost all the issues. Grow up guys.
RE:RE:dear brother
by parthasarathi das on Feb 07, 2007 09:24 AM Permalink
I am living in bangalore for past 6 years,Sure it has progressed in many fronts,but what i observed is that people have a inferiority complex,they are intolerable to other culture & society,The strong Kannada surge is not because of Cavery water issue but people want to overturn & conquer other culture mainly tamil & telegu which has stongholded bangalore in past few years.
We are living in a federal country where if all of us is united then only we can conquer the world.Both karnataka & TN are rich state,Why not they sit together & find some technologically advanced solution.If dubai can convert part of city into waterfuul canals& pons like in venice,why can't we do it.
And moreover judge who is 300 years behind,fact is that we all are 300 years behind the world,
Because of this domestic rift british has ripped india for over 300 years & to free ourself we had to shed more than 3,00,0000 lives.
RE:RE:RE:dear brother
by Mahesh S on Feb 07, 2007 10:01 AM Permalink
If people of blore were intolerable as you describe, you wud not lived here for 6 long years. If you really want to know what intolerable pls visit chennai. For your kind information people here dont feel inferior. There is no reason for us to feel so, especially when people like you are our competitors.
RE:RE:RE:RE:dear brother
by Sridhar Venkataraman on Feb 07, 2007 11:04 AM Permalink
What did you find intolerable in Chennai? The heat... I have lived in both Chennai and Bangalore for many years and found that people in both the places are friendly and very helpful by nature.
Your statements - "especially when people like you are our competitors" - themselves prove that you have a strong inferiority complex and not the People of Karnataka. Boss. pls remember that we are all part of India and if we start feeling that guys from other states are our competitors, then why are we crying hoarse when US or some other western country claims that we are taking away their jobs.
The fact is that most of the IT investment/development happens for and on behalf MNCs and overseas clients. Guys like you want their money and jobs given by them but dont want to share it with our own contrymen. What a strange and selfish logic!
RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:dear brother
by Mahesh S on Feb 07, 2007 03:27 PM Permalink
Looks like Sridhar needs to look into his reading abilities. My msg is clearly referring to msg posted by "parthasarathi das". Helping people to get jobs... Government of India plz honour MR.Sridhar with Bharatha Rathna award !!
RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:dear brother
by Mahesh S on Feb 07, 2007 11:23 AM Permalink
And what did u find intolerable in blore.. the great weather, great people or the great jobs.. The word "inferiority complex" and "intolerance" were first used by one of ur konga first. That says who feels so..... and the same investments happen in TN also.. and let me hear wat have you shared with ur contrymen. what a foolish logic.
RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:dear brother
by Sridhar Venkataraman on Feb 07, 2007 12:26 PM Permalink
This is in reply to Mahesh's post. I NEVER claimed that Bangalore in any way is intolerable. Probably Mahesh needs to sharpen his reading abilities! Infact, if you see my post, i have clearly said that i have had very nice experiences in both Bangalore as well as Chennai.
Coming to point of sharing with the countrymen, I have helped friends from both Karnataka and TN to get jobs in both the places and have NEVER discriminated based on locale. If this is what Mahesh feels as a foolish logic, then let it be. I am quite happy to continue the foolish act of helping out my brethren. :) And i also dont have the nasty habit of calling my neighbours bad names!
RE:RE:AP and Karnataka
by ashok krishnamoorthy on Feb 07, 2007 08:09 AM Permalink
little does this ardent anonymous kannadiga loser know that the literacy rate of Chennai is better than that of Bangalore. Little do they know its the majority tamils in call centers and other tech jobs that even bring up the literacy rate of Bangalore.
Else Bangalore is only as equal as Assam or Arunachal Pradesh.
RE:RE:RE:AP and Karnataka
by Prasanna on Feb 07, 2007 08:14 AM Permalink
Literacy rate you mean they know how to read and write Tamil, what is the use of knowing Tamil. They have to know English for getting jobs and this guy equates call-center jobs with techie guys. That itself shows his level. TN would have become a harem for LTTE's Pirubhakaran if not for the IT industry in Bangalore and other places.
RE:RE:RE:RE:AP and Karnataka
by Prasanna on Feb 07, 2007 08:18 AM Permalink
Also this guy is showing off his North East India bias by showing off Assam as backward. Maybe all those Indian soldiers who die fighting in Assam are fools in his eyes. Go and watch Rajnikant and Vijaykanth movies and stop polluting this board
RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:AP and Karnataka
by Prasanna on Feb 07, 2007 08:33 AM Permalink
All tamilians will have no choice but to support Karnataka because very soon they will have to face the prospect of no water from Cauvery in Bangalore. Moreover CV Raman got nobel prize when India was under Britain so all credit should go to Britain. After all it is too much to expect Tamilians to support a brahmin. Maybe the reason why Tamil Brahmins are all over the country is because they are neglected in TN
RE:RE:RE:RE:AP and Karnataka
by ashok krishnamoorthy on Feb 07, 2007 08:18 AM Permalink
if you think we aren't educated then why the hell are you guys shouting in Bangalore that all the outsiders are taking their jobs. Just accept the fact that you guys are illiterate losers.
Tamils are more intelligent than these kannadigas see the 2 nobel prizes, number of Election commisioners, chiefs of defense agencies, ISRO, etc.
RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:AP and Karnataka
by Prasanna on Feb 07, 2007 08:20 AM Permalink
2 nobel prizes eh?. CV Raman brought up in Bangalore and Subramanyan did all his work in US. Anyhow Tamilians hate upper-caste. Why are you with them.
RE:RE:RE:AP and Karnataka
by Ram on Feb 07, 2007 08:45 AM Permalink
yes,, i agree with you literacy is good in chennai ... hahhahah.... i think they can easily write the names of all the movie actors.. you dumbo... wake up.. bangalore tamils are more educated then you ....sitting elsewhere and just writing what ever you want doesnt make you a literate.. look at the intelluctual property in bangalore and then talk..
RE:RE:AP and Karnataka
by Ram on Feb 07, 2007 08:39 AM Permalink
You are talking about kings.. Look at the dynasties in TN state and see how they were conquered by the karnataka kings.. thats the reason Karnataka dint had any problem in kaveri earlier..... after the so called east india company came in madras all these started when tippu was defeated.. you catpaudi nan magne..
RE:RE:RE:AP and Karnataka
by S.G.Gilbert Raj on Feb 07, 2007 09:25 AM Permalink
Bangalore (Bengalooru) is the one and only city in india(probably in the world) where one can survive without any need to know the local language.
RE:RE:AP and Karnataka
by RAM on Feb 07, 2007 09:08 AM Permalink
MY DEAR SOUTHIE, GET YOUR HISTORY RIGHT!!!! KANNADA LANGUAGE IS OLDER THAN TELUGU and TELUGU SCRIPT IS DERIVED FROM OLD KANNADA. READ ANY ENCYCLOPEDIA YOU WILL UNDERSTAND> IF YOU DO NOT PROPERLY DO NOT WRITE. YEH KANNADA IS YOUNGER SISTER OF TAMIL BY ALMOST HUNDRED YEARS BUT BOTH OF US HAVE INFLUENCED EACH OTHER. ABOUT IT NARAYANMURTHY, NILEKANI, GURURAJ DESHPANDE and many SOFTWARE GIANT ARE "KANNADIGAS". WE KANNADIGAS ARE HAPPY WITH THE STATE"S ACHIEVEMENT BUT NOT COMPLACENT. OF WE NO NEED TO FEEL JELOUSY.
RE:RE:RE:AP and Karnataka
by Balasaheb Sahane on Feb 07, 2007 09:42 AM Permalink
NARAYANMURTHY IS KANNADA?????????? Hell he is Tamil Nilekani is Konkani Gururaj is Maharashtrain,
They may be living in Karnataka but hell they are not kanndigas
RE:RE:AP and Karnataka
by shree harsha on Feb 07, 2007 08:34 AM Permalink
Kannada script comes from Telugu script? This is the biggest joke I've ever heard. Have you ever heard of a thing called "Internet" by any chance? Do a basic search on that.
RE:AP and Karnataka
by Prasanna on Feb 07, 2007 07:44 AM Permalink
I dont know which state you come from dude, but all states have problem with one another. It is not good to mock one good state and praise another. Should i list out problems in AP ? here is just one, you guys have deprived people in Telengana resion so much that they now want a separate State. Very soon Hyderabad will become part of Telengana and Hyderabad will be out of IT Race. Bangalore,Chennai,Gurgaon,Pune will soon overtake Hyderabad. Solve your own state problem first before commenting on others.
