krunanidhi directed and biased verdict of tribunal will be the deathnote for karnataka farmers and it may leads to other incidents,we revolt against the verdict to protect our farmers
RE:cauvery
by Raja Krsnan on Feb 07, 2007 11:52 AM Permalink
mohan even in losing the verdict, karnataka is a winner. it has to release only 192 tmc. that is clear. of this 192tmc TN has to share it with kerla and pondicherry.
clarity is required on during distress years how it is going to be shared. that is where tribunal is silent.
no need to revolt. it makes no sense resorting to violence. nobody gains by resorting to violence. farmers have to adopt scientific method of farming to increase yields. also water had to be used efficients as it is a scarce resource. in future farmers should be willing to pay a price for this precious resource.
Though a born tamilian,it was karnataka which craddled me,i earn my bread and butter here,it is one of the most beautiful states,people are loving,have strength of character and gentle.The decision of the tribunal looks biased perse,though i have not gone thro the full judgement.My life is dear to me,if it is required,i will lay down my life for my state.
RE:me a tamilian,would lay down my life for karnataka
by Raja Krsnan on Feb 07, 2007 11:55 AM Permalink
abshul lets not fight between us. there is no need to. violence begets violence.
verdict may be against karnataka. but karnataka is the real winner. has a strong case to approach supreme court.
tribunal verdict has no clarity on many aspects. that is why karnataka is agitated.
Lets stay calm and wait for the government to take what it seems beneficial for its subjects.
RE:Himanshu Thakkar's Article
by PRABHAKAR BV on Feb 07, 2007 10:10 AM Permalink
This article, no doubt is ill-timed and should hv been better not to hv been published which has the potential inflame passions. I read many opinions expressed by readers. It should be realised that Rivers do not belong to any particular country or state. It being natural resource belong to everyone. Example, there are so many rivers flowing through Pakistan, Bangladesh which are being shared through agreements. If countries (even hostile, like Pakistan) can agree on the river-sharing, why not States which belong to the same country. Unfortunately, an issue which is purely of farmers of the two states, has been politicised and trying to be projected as Tamil vs. Kannadiga issue. People should see this game being played by some politicians. The media should also act responsibly and avoid publishing articles which can arouse passions. Actually, in stead of reading sensational headlines : TN gets 400 KN get 250 ; TN wins Cauvery battle etc., should hv been avoided. In fact, if u see, compared to Interim award the release of water from Karnataka has been reduced to 192 from 205 and this should hv been highlighted as headline which would hv had lesser effect on public minds. And lastly, if Karnataka still feels it deserves more , it can go for lawful means like filing review petition.
RE:Himanshu Thakkar's Article
by naren kesavaraj on Feb 07, 2007 10:26 AM Permalink
I fully agree with Vidhyadhar and others who have pointed out the obvious bias in Himanshu thakkar's article and it should be taken off the net immediatly if at all rediff is as neutral as it professes.
Whatever be the final decision of the tribunal, it is quite natural that one party will accept it and the other will oppose it. Even Afzal Guru says that he didn%u2019t get a fair trial and hence the supreme court verdict is flawed. One should know how to respect the judicial system. If Karnataka feels that the award of the tribunal is flawed, they have the freedom to approach the supreme court and get it corrected. The decision of the apex court should be binding on all the concerned parties.
This article is totally provacative and it is biased. For instance look at the table... The water allocated column is the right for each state. But in reality, the amount of water given to Tamilnadu is only 192 TMC and out of this Tamilnadu needs to give 30 TMC to Kerala and 7 TMC to Pondicherry. So finally TamilNadu is left with only 155. I am actually from Pondicherry.... even then i feel pitty for tamilnadu that is not crying on loosing water to Karnataka..... The fact is Tamilnadu is looser.......
RE:Tamilnadu gets only 155 TMC of water from Karnataka -- Himanshu Thakkar is biased
by Prasanna Veerabhadraiah on Feb 07, 2007 10:59 AM Permalink
dear baskaran, i think you either dont know how to read or dont know how to think. Go back to school dude.
RE:Tamilnadu gets only 155 TMC of water from Karnataka -- Himanshu Thakkar is biased
by Lucifer Sam on Feb 07, 2007 10:41 AM Permalink
excellent... who taught you logic? or english? I'm sure you have not even read what he has written. Can you re-read the article and respond in logical and coherent way?
RE:Tamilnadu gets only 155 TMC of water from Karnataka -- Himanshu Thakkar is biased
by Raja Krsnan on Feb 07, 2007 10:18 AM Permalink
Thats the price tamil nadu had to pay for suppressing vital information and playing politics in the name of water for votes. successives governments in tamilnadu tried not to present ground reality to tribunal, they were overeconfident of getting favourable ruling. Karnataka on the other hand was always given a step-motherly treatment from the tribunal and central government has a strong case to appeal in supreme court. tamil nadu is not an efficient user of the water resources. Tamilnadu used strong arm tactics to extract a favourable ruling and they got it.
The special Tribunal, after doing extensive analysis and research only, has finally come out with its Verdict. It has taken into account all the aspects discussed by Mr Himanshu Thakkar. As a citizen, we have to accept this verdict. Why not Himanshu appeal in the Supreme Court against the verdict and provide all his technical details to the experts there, instead of giving too technical details to the common man reading this rediff forum ?????? Dont invoke passions in the minds of people of both States, this my request to both Rediff and Himanshu Thakkar, if u both love India.
RE:Cauvery Award is Not Flawed
by Raja Krsnan on Feb 07, 2007 10:20 AM Permalink
Himanshu is a reporter. he is just doing his job. karnataka might go to supreme court. karnataka might get a favourable ruling there.
RE:Cauvery Award is Not Flawed
by Dibu D on Feb 07, 2007 10:08 AM Permalink
The point is the Tribunal, after extensive analysis has come up with such rubbish recommendations that no state wants except TN. Its definetely politically motivated. Look who rules center.
Dear Readers, I request our central Govt.to connect Ganga & Brahmaputra rivers to Cauvery so that Cauvery will always overflow,and there will several Dams for each district of karnataka/tamilnadu,and also on the way for several states.The surplus water of northern rivers to be flown to southern rivers.We have water resource ministry in cental govt.What they are doing?They are enjoying the fight between states? do something for this water problem.please do something. Really we need now a proper water distribution system.otherwise problem.problem...problem......
RE:Cauvery Dispute,
by VenkatRamanan RadhakrishnanIyer on Feb 07, 2007 02:16 PM Permalink
Ganga is one thing, but how many of you know that China is building a controversial dam across the Brahmaputra. Now India will be a Tamilnadu and China the Karnataka and Brahmaputra-the international Cauvery
RE:Cauvery Dispute,
by nilesh on Feb 07, 2007 10:48 AM Permalink
if all rivers are connected then tamil nadu will want all the water, they will make himalay go dry
RE:RE:Cauvery Dispute,
by Rohit S on Feb 07, 2007 01:30 PM Permalink
TN was always crying for water. God gave 100 times the water in 2004 from the sea!!
RE:Cauvery Dispute,
by shankar katti on Feb 07, 2007 10:10 AM Permalink
Yeah ur right we have to inter connect all southern rivers with northern rivers so that india will not at all have drought problem
It seems the author is quite biased in his opinion. Cauvery flows through almost 7 districts of tamilnadu whereas it flows only thro' 4 districts of karnataka. The author has pointed out that the cauvery basin in Tamilnadu has good amount of ground water. It is true only with the 3 districts coming under cauvery delta region whereas the other districts are mostly drought prone and has very less ground water availability ex.Dharmapuri district.
RE:Tribunal Award
by Raja Krsnan on Feb 07, 2007 11:12 AM Permalink
taminadu govt came with a lower figure so that they can get a favourable share. karnataka gained inspite of this verdict against them. its true the river flows only thru 4 dictricts, but when it comes to drought 3 of them gets hit very badly. that is a fact.
taminadu politicians played politics in the name of cauvery water. now who is to be blamed. karnataka or the tribunal or politicians of tamil nadu.
RE:Tribunal Award
by Lucifer Sam on Feb 07, 2007 10:47 AM Permalink
yeah, true. And TN doesn't do anything to control use of water or harness it optimally. they do not invest on dams or barrages because they are busy denuding forests to distribute to landless labourers and give rice free. They expect karnataka to do all the hard work and then let them have all the water free of cost which is then allowed to flow into the Bay because there are no proper distribution systems in place.
RE:RE:Tribunal Award
by Raja Krsnan on Feb 07, 2007 11:14 AM Permalink
you are hitting right on the nails head. this free regime will come to an end sometime in future. all will have to pay for using water. that is the best optiopn.
RE:Tribunal Award
by Raja Krsnan on Feb 07, 2007 10:29 AM Permalink
Tamilnadu is an inefficient & extravagant user of water resources. They got the award they wanted by misrepresenting the data or hiding vital information. How does it become biased. Is it because karnataka now has a strong case in hand that can be taken to supreme court. Also during years of draught, how tamilnadu is going to share the burden. history is the proof - they are the trouble makers.
RE:Tribunal Award
by nilesh on Feb 07, 2007 10:49 AM Permalink
why don't you combine 7 districts and make it 1, it will then appear you are getting more water
RE:RE:Tribunal Award
by Mahesh S on Feb 07, 2007 11:10 AM Permalink
the equation of 7 districts and 4 districts says the level of understandings abt the issue !! Great !! wat else ... you shud be the irrigation minister of india.
It seems that rediff is putting oil on fire by giving these kind of articles. please see other websites and realise that they do not ask people to respond and make lot of noise.
RE:rediff trying to make money out of award
by Vidhyadhar rao on Feb 07, 2007 09:40 AM Permalink
You are absolutely right. Rediff is trying to kindle the passions of people of both States... trying to get publicity. Such things will result in its ultimate downfall, which we hope will not happen. Let good sanity prevail in Rediff mind as I like this site for its information.
RE:RE:rediff trying to make money out of award
by Saravanan S on Feb 07, 2007 09:58 AM Permalink
Hai Rediff this is warning to you. Everyday you are publishing some nonsense here to get people attention. We would like to give you the message. Tamilians and Kannadigans were united you will not get anything out of it.
RE:RE:RE:rediff trying to make money out of award
by manju subramanian on Feb 07, 2007 10:21 AM Permalink
Somebody please tell me how to report this article itself as abuse??
RE:RE:RE:rediff trying to make money out of award
by Raja Krsnan on Feb 07, 2007 10:35 AM Permalink
saravanan rediff just posted a relevant data which will not comeinto the public domain. appreciate them for that. also many news papers have carried the same kind of news.
RE:RE:rediff trying to make money out of award
by Raja Krsnan on Feb 07, 2007 10:33 AM Permalink
they have just put the real facts. many news papers too carried the same kind of articles. then those newspapers tooo are trying to kindle passions of the people of both the states....do you agree on that, Mr.vidhyadhar rao. dont jump to conclusion. so far there has been no violence anywhere in karnataka....also the "ps"'s statement that rediff is making money is ridiculous. such diseased minds have to be sent to mental asylum for treatment.
RE:RE:rediff trying to make money out of award
by Prasanna Veerabhadraiah on Feb 07, 2007 11:03 AM Permalink
Guys, don't be childish. why dont you go and get publicity doing movies or something. leave Rediff to its own. it is doing a Excellent job. How many articles(or websites/newspapers) can you complain against just because you are not able to digest facts!
It is perplexing as to why it took 17 years for such an award to be made. Surely, this award could have been made in 17 months?
Unfortunately, successive governments have used the Cauvery issue as a political tool. Not once has there been an honest attempt to sit across the table with facts and figures and arrive at an amicable solution. More than anything else, water should have been treated as a national resource and the optimum utilization of this scarce resource should have been the guiding principle.
The tribunal seems to have missed the ground realities and possible repurcussions while announcing the award. The aftermath of the interim award in 1991 seems to have been ignored in totality. Further, in announcing certain numbers, the award has caused utter confusion among common people and this has thrown open the doors for politicians and vested interests to exploit.
Even now, it is not too late to undo the damage. What is required is statesmanship and a realization that all people depending on the river are Indians first and everything else next.
As an example, instead of announcing 419 TMC ft for Tamil Nadu and 270 TMC ft for Karnataka, which prima facie has been interpreted as a raw deal for Karnataka, the tribunal could have fixed the quantum of water to be released by Karnataka in normal and sub-normal years. As a hypothetical example, if the award had said that in a normal year, Karnataka could retain 66.67% (2/3rds) of the water and release 33.33% (1/3rd), much of the confusion could have been avoided. While the actual figures would not have changed dramatically, psychologically Karnataka would probably have been satisfied. Similarly, in a distress year, where the rainfall was less than 75% of the normal, Karnataka could have been allowed to retain 3/4 and asked to release 1/4.
In summary, if only the human element had been kept in mind instead of cold facts, and if the award had relied on percentages or ratios as opposed to absolute numbers, much of the hearburn could perhaps have been avoided.
It is hoped that even now wisdom will prevail on all concerned. As ordinary citizens, all that we are interested is in a peaceful India where we can get on with the work of nation-building. We have had enough of strife over the last 60 years. It is time to say enough is enough and to move on.
RE:Cauvery Tribunal Award
by Raja Krsnan on Feb 07, 2007 10:49 AM Permalink
your comments make some sense. tribunal should have pronounced it in percentages as it would not have created any confusion. it is clear then the water is shares in these ratios during normal years and during drought it will be shared in a different set of ratios. Tribunal has to learn how to pronounce thier verdicts.
RE:Cauvery Tribunal Award
by GAUTAM BARDOLOI on Feb 07, 2007 09:25 AM Permalink
If we connect the Brahmaputra to other major rivers of India,Assam will get rid of flood and other states will stop fighting for water.
We only talk,now some other country may divert the mighty river outside India and at the source itself.We will just be silent spectators!
