RE:Pardon? to the killer?
by Salim Agnes on Feb 04, 2007 09:15 AM Permalink
Nothing new; this is only a continuation of the scam perpetrated by Gandhi-Nehru and then the Nehru family, and now by an agent of Vatican Antonia Maino and her son Raul Maino (whom most know as Sonia Gandhi and Rahul Gandhi!! what a scam!!) all they want is create a vote bank by dividing India in the name of religion so that they can secure the minority votes by pretending to be their flag bearer. In reality they just want to be the ruler of India. I agree about what you've said abt the terrorist, but alas! Congress is trying to get votes out of this as well..have mercy on the common man O'Lord. Indians, it's higtime we unite for the sake of India. If you are a true Indian then don't get divided by these politicians in the name of religion, caste, language and statehood. Be Indian and fight for the unity og this country. An India is an Indian - what difference does it make if he is Hindu, Muslinm, Sikh or Christian as long as he is loyal to his motherland? And a terrorist is a terrorist - doesn't matter what religion, caste or state he belongs to. We can all be brothers and make India strong as never before - and make this country a land of happiness and properity as it used to be. Jai Bharat, Jai Hind !!
Another Hindunazi crybaby,guts is not roaming around in groups under full police protection like pack of dogs and killing religious minorities , like the genocide of Muslims in Gujarat.
Guts is one to one manly fight, you coward, you are a coward and thats why you are trying to gather the crowd here.
If Afzal did not have attacked the parliament, I would have never supported his hanging. As the parliament is a symbol of soveriegnity and national pride, Afzal did in fact commit a gruesome crime by striking it.
But his purpose was something pure, he wanted to kill a few politicians. What a noble thought!! He was working for all the Indian populace. After all, we all want to get rid of these mindless policy makers who have risen to power either by exploiting our religious setiments (hindu Vs muslim) or by doing something equally divisive such as reservations to Dalits and OBCs. These politicians directly or indirectly cause more deaths than these militants combined. A single riot takes people in thousands. Maoist s kill more people than these militants.
Politicians have divided our society in so many pieces that we can't unite ourselves to throw them out of the corridors of power. Here, Afzal comes into picture, He was doing what we can not do ourselves. In this way, he was doing our work, boss!
But as I said, he did commit a crime by attacking the parliament, its bricks and its floors. It caused lives of guards. Had he not done these things, he would have my support. But in this circumstances, I would say he must be hanged..
RE:Killing politicians is really a sin?
by Observer Observer on Feb 04, 2007 08:26 AM Permalink
How do you know he did it , get into the legal aspect of the problem , he was tortured relentlessly by the STF to confess he did not get a lawyer to represent him, no fair trial and you have already assumed he did whatever Thackeray says...
RE:RE:Killing politicians is really a sin?
by Ahmed Shah on Feb 04, 2007 11:43 AM Permalink
you talk as if you were there when he was supposedly being tortured u wahabi thug it is you wahabis who are root cause of terrorism and of islam being given bad name . you people must be hunted down and eradicated by all true muslims and if possible by good hindus too
RE:RE:RE:Killing politicians is really a sin?
by Observer Observer on Feb 04, 2007 12:29 PM Permalink
you talk as if you saw him plotting and attacking what a remorseless chant for hanging someone to justify the collective Hindutva ego.This shaky case and overwhelming support for humanity and for Afzal only makes this a case of humanity thrusted upon us by the Hindutvadis like you.
RE:RE:RE:RE:Killing politicians is really a sin?
by Amjed Sheikh on Feb 04, 2007 02:54 PM Permalink
Dear Observer bhai, True fake encounters happened in kashmir but they happen in almost all parts of India. They donot happen because the system is anti kashmiri but because the system is corrupt. Having said that we must also accept that this system is better than what our neighabours have: Here guilty policeman or any other are being investigated whereas in pakistan -- their president (musharaff) was shielding army officer who raped Dr. Shazia. No one in even investigating the killing of thousands of baloch or shia people. Fake encounter happen in punjab, up, bihar, etc. There is not one state where fake encounters do not take place. So fake encounters cannot be a reason to be antiIndia. It can be a reason to be anti system. The method to improve the system is democracy and guns have no place.
Now regarding Afzal guru. I agree he didnot have a lawyer in lower court, but HE HAD A LAWYER IN HIGH (not of his own choice) AND SUPREME COURT (of his own choice). Now consider this: 1. Calls were made from his phone to the phone carried by on of the terrorists who attacked parliament which was recovered after they were killed. 2. THe car used was purchased by him only few days before the incident (Car was registered in his name). 3. Supreme court acquited all the rest of accused.
Afzal is not innocent. The question is whether he should be hanged, well I guess this is for the courts to decide. THe case falls in rare of the rarest category as parliament is sacred temple of democracy (Even though it shelters criminals). So afzal should be killed. Now the delay is because of home minister and UPA government and HH APJ Kalam has no role to play so people like thackrey should speak against congress and UPA and not HH APJ Kalam. We must ignore people who speak against HH APJ Kalam.
a passing thought: Look around you and if anyone can find a better person, a more capable person in entire world politics than our HH APJ Kalam i shall give 10,000 rs. But you will have to prove that.
RE:RE:RE:RE:Killing politicians is really a sin?
by Morris Modi on Feb 04, 2007 02:42 PM Permalink
Stop the BS guys. Do something good for your country instead of just picking up on others. You all are just losers who can't say anything in person but use the blogs to spread your hatred. May the true noble people win and the jealous hatred animals die soon.
RE:RE:Killing politicians is really a sin?
by Ajay Mishra on Feb 04, 2007 08:48 AM Permalink
Thackeray is yet another politcians. He might have great position in the eyes of Marathis, for me he is as corrupt as anyone else if not greater. And I don't base my assessment on his words.
But as SC has convicted Afzal, it leaves no doubt in my mind that this guy did it all. Also, He should be hanged for sure. But Hang a few politicians as well.
Why the hell someone would support a militant unless you are also aspiring to become politicians or have such ambitions?
RE:RE:RE:Killing politicians is really a sin?
by Observer Observer on Feb 04, 2007 09:11 AM Permalink
The Indian freedom fighters like Bhagat Singh and Ashfaq Ullah Kha were called terrorists by the British, and its a very well established fact that one man's terrorist is another's freedom fighter, so much so that BBC has dropped it from its vocaublary.
Coming back to Afzal's case I think you need to further dwell into the fact further if you havent done so yet, they was an attack on parliament, but if Afzal was involved or made to confess is what needs to clairified.As far convicting him is concerned he was not allowed to choose the lawyers.
RE:RE:RE:RE:Killing politicians is really a sin?
by Ajay Mishra on Feb 04, 2007 10:02 AM Permalink
And you know the facts!! little surprising,, how do you know the inside story??
RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:Killing politicians is really a sin?
by Ahmed Shah on Feb 04, 2007 11:46 AM Permalink
the killings of shias in pakistan are also carried out by indian army i think and also the daily bombings in iraq . the crisis in sudan is also because of indian army and so is that in somalia. i laugh at you o wahabi terrorist after watching you trying to spread your false propoganda and divide hindus and muslims of this great nation
RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:Killing politicians is really a sin?
by Observer Observer on Feb 04, 2007 11:25 AM Permalink
hOW DO YOU KNOW THAT THE FAKE ENCOUNTERS IN KASHMIR WERE INFACT COLD BLOODED MURDERS BY THE INDIAN ARMY , YOU KNO WTHAT EVERY OTHER INNOCENT KILLED IN KASHMIR IS THE VICTIM OF MURDER AND HUMAN RIGHTS ABUSE BY THE INDIAN ARMY, BUT YOUR CONSCIENCE WONT LET YOU ADMIT THAT.
This is dragging too long. The ruling coalition is playing delay trciks to secure few additional votes in the forthcoming assembly elections. The present president of India is a popular, open-minded, peace loving and a well meaning person who strives to unite the youth against all odds created by the corrupt political and admin systems in this country. I hope he will see through this game plan of politicians and decide soon and show to the world that India is not a soft state and can not be taken for granted. Peace loving Indian yearning for a united country. Jai Hind VJ
One can conclude only 2 things from Kalam's inaction: 1. He doesnt believe in Indian Judiciary OR 2. Terrorist Afzal has done more goods to India and deserves clemency
Well, if you believe that he studies merit of each application (that's why needs time to decide) then you would have expected him to do so for every bill he signs. Well, recently he signed Reservation bill in a day inspite of so many questions, concerns by many regarding its implication on parity to all in India. Atleast, he could have sought some clarification from the Govt before signing. But, he just didnt care. This is NOT about Thakery or someone else. It's about 'Bharat Ratna' Kalam and President has been disgrace to his office.
RE:use proper lang Thackeray
by Nishan K on Feb 04, 2007 04:55 AM Permalink
Just post once, we get your point (but, you are missing the point). Dont kill the messenger -- point is President is still studying the goods done by Afzal. God save this Country.
RE:use proper lang Thackeray
by R B on Feb 04, 2007 04:21 AM Permalink
Mr. Ramu or whatever your real name is:
Firstly, Bal Thackeray is not personally attacking the President, and so shouldn't you personally attack Bal Thackeray. Secondly, he might be a little superfluous in his criticism of President Kalam, but he does have a point. His agenda aside, the culprit should meet his fate right NOW! Afzal wouldn't blink an eye before murdering your family and friends.
Either you learn Hindi or leave India. We don;t need anti-nationals like you. If it wasn't for us, your people will never have joined India. The PM had to send forces to capture Hyderabad. You dont want to learn Hindi, why do you learn English then. Dont you see Hyderabad and Hindi knowledge regions of AP is much more developed than the backward regions knowing Telugu. If it wasnt for us, even AP would have been split up into Andhra, Telengana and Rayelseema.
Dont be ungrateful. become more nationalistic and accept that HINDI is our NATIONAL Language.
RE:South Indian President
by Nishan K on Feb 04, 2007 05:02 AM Permalink
And you are lecturing him in English? God love your Hindi "prem". By the way, instead of fighting in between us, can we talk about that Terrorist who is still seeing another daylight due to Our President?
RE:South Indian President
by on Feb 04, 2007 05:00 AM Permalink
Mr Uttar Pradesh I see your points totally silly and utterly nonsense. Lets dissect what you said.
"If it wasn't for us, your people will never have joined India. The PM had to send forces to capture Hyderabad" >> Hyderabad was ruled by a Nizam who is urdu speaking guy and didn't want to give up power. It has nothing to do with people speaking Telugu.Anyways, if we haven't joined India, what harm is that..
"Dont you see Hyderabad and Hindi knowledge regions of AP is much more developed than the backward regions knowing Telugu." Hyderabad being a city and capital of the state naturally would be more developed that other parts of the state. Rest of Hindi-aware AP.. say telengana is considered a backward region.. By your argument, I think the language Hindi may have somthing to be do with that ..The fact is andhra region is the most prosperous region in AP apart from Hyderabad city. Also do note that , Chennai which is not a Hindi speaking city in the South is a more developed city that Hyderabad. So the only language that matters in this world for advancement is English and not that dubious national language Hindi.
So next time you post something, get your facts and arguments right.
P.S. I am not a Hindi hater and I can speak Hindi but I can't take somebody's beliitling others culture and language with their ignorance.
RE:South Indian President
by on Feb 04, 2007 05:13 AM Permalink
Why should the educated and productive south learn the language of the cow belt. Sanskrit should me made the national language, it is the only truely national language. Yes if you are in agriculture and need an ox from north india, then hindi is useful.
RE:RE:South Indian President
by Nikhil P on Feb 04, 2007 05:55 AM Permalink
You southie people overrate yourself too much. Gujarat has 5% of nation's population but contributes 20% of the nation's industrial output. Maharastra contributes 13% of the output. So these two states alone contribute 33% of the industrial output. You southies number more than these two states bu you don't produce as much. People like you make general statements that are not based on facts. Even Bangladeshis and Afghanis would make such statements. People like you exist everywhere. Educated people would not generalize the way you southies do. Educated people think creatively and objectively. So before saying you are more productive, blah blah, use your brain.
RE:RE:RE:South Indian President
by Ravi Reddy on Feb 04, 2007 09:07 AM Permalink
"Educated people would not generalize the way you southies do. Educated people think creatively and objectively. So before saying you are more productive, blah blah, use your brain." Interesting..., Mr Northie. Talking of generalisation, who generalized that Hindi should be "national" language ? You Northies. "use your brain...?" Did you use yours? If you have, you would have respected others' feelings. Do you ask the other person if s/he knows Hindi before talking in Hindi? No, you are insensitive to others' feelings. Do you know that Telugu is the second largest spoken language in India? Do you know that Telugu grammer is the most difficult one of all the languages? Do you know that Telugu scholars are not only experts in Telugu but also in Sanscrit? Do you know that there is a classic in Telugu literature that if you read it one way, it describes Ramayana, if you read it a different way, it describes MahaBharata and if you read it in yet another way, it describes to SriMad Bhagavatam ? Such powerful is that classic and its Telugu grammer. Since you Hindi guys do not know other literature, you think all other languages have nothing. For your information Telugu is called "Italian of the east". Did you guys ever try to learn to respect other languages like Bengali, Assamese, Malayalam, Kannada, Oriya or Tamil? No..., you don't care. Be glad that it is because of the patience and understanding of others like southies, or Oriens, or Bengalis or Assamese, you are saved. For others, Hindi is as much foreign as English or any other language. English is a dominant and progressive language in the modern world where all the research and development is happening whether you like it or not. Even the French, German, spanish, Portugese and Russian have accepted and obliged to go along with it. Who are you to object that? Especailly with the kind of adaptability you have. For example, you can not pronounce school as School but ischool; start as not start but istart, etc... Get your tongues conditioned first and then worry about your brains later(if you have).
Next time before commenting on others, get your house in order Northie !
RE:RE:RE:South Indian President
by stav on Feb 04, 2007 08:57 AM Permalink
I dont think Gujarati's and the people of Maharashtra would want to associate themselves with "North India" (I mean the BHIMARU states). You did not answer me why should we learn hindi, it makes no economic sense. Get Sanskrit, it is the language which is common to all of us.
RE:RE:RE:South Indian President
by Saddam H on Feb 04, 2007 07:42 AM Permalink
Well said Nikhil. this south indians were facourite "sami" of Britishers as they were knowing english rather then Hindia, so Britishers like them and appointed them as Babus they are noting but the bunch od babus. That is too regional minded, fellows.
RE:RE:RE:RE:South Indian President
by on Feb 04, 2007 09:16 AM Permalink
For god sake don't fight with each other afterall we all are Indians irrespective of the region we belong and language we speak.
Though I am a north indian but I don't have any grudge against anyone on the basis of langauge and region.I think all Indians(mind it it all indians)should learn hindi becuase it is the 4th widely spoken language in the world and has the potential to become the national langauge of our country and we should accept this fact.
And in return all north indian should learn atleast one south indian language. This would not only passify our south indian brothers but also help one language(hindi) to become our national language.I am not saying this because I am from north india but it is a reality that it is spoken by 55 crores and unbderstood by 70 crores.
If any body has any other argument he is welcome but pls. do not curse each other.
As far as AFZAL GURU goes he should be stonned to death and cut into peaces and gifted to PAKISTAN.
RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:South Indian President
by stav on Feb 04, 2007 09:21 AM Permalink
The largest spoken single dialect in India is Bengali, so stop giving this crap and imposing a language on us just to get your big egos satisfied. Get Sanskrit it is our mother.
RE:RE:RE:RE:South Indian President
by stav on Feb 04, 2007 09:03 AM Permalink
Saddam even if they are regional they are not forcing themselves on you, the way you guys force hindi on us. Most of South India constituted of Independent states. Get your history right, they were. So there involvement in the freedom was definately lesser than Punjabis and Bengalis. Yes educated people are always required, even the British required them. So go get an education.
RE:RE:RE:South Indian President
by stav on Feb 04, 2007 09:23 AM Permalink
Nikhil, you are really "educated" you being so creative with your statistics.
RE:RE:RE:RE:South Indian President
by Ahmed Shah on Feb 04, 2007 11:52 AM Permalink
bismillah ur rahman ir raheem firstly all thanks to Allah first all you southies blame thackeraysaab for supposedly asking you to leave maharashtra and now u urselves want to act seperate from rest of india you really are hypocrites o sons of the Sultan Ahmed Shah Defenders of the Righteous on the Indian Peninsula
The lesser terrorists you have in jail, the lower are the chances of Kandahar repeats. The government dithers over the fate of these terrorists and then one fine day, a hijacking occurs, the country is held to ransom and the terrorists are freed, and all the work done by the army and security forces go in vain.
There goes a saying: "those who live by the sword die by the sword". Its high time we recognized that and stopped showing mercy to merciless terrorists.
Merciless terrorists who show blatant disregard for human life and a disrespect for human rights of peaceful citizens dont deserve mercy in the least and should promptly be exterminated as one would exterminate vermins.
