been going through all the thopughts of people some pros some cons well few were heart touching like conversation of saif kashmiri Ganjoo.
well first thing is most of our people have been made a set of mind just to beleive what is being said and spread by policitians
Just becaus that few individauls who break havoc supposed to be that from a particular community we blindly cannot blame the whole community I believe it is never a religion it ones nature that makes one good or bad things
I beleive in one india infact i feel sorry that we call ourself Proud to be Indians but unfortunately it has no meaning since I know how much of regional, caste and religion bias happens within us
Hope we will truly be indians one day and forge this nation with huge potentional nation to be the richest strong multi cultured nation of peace and prosperity where corrruption is weeded
RE:hi
by aditi dhar on Jul 07, 2007 01:54 PM Permalink
did you even bother to spell check or use proper grammer for what you wrote? that entire message was as inarticulate as it could possibly be.
Dear Anonymous,(Coz u can never be saif, and Kashmiri, the last thing on the face of this earth!) What on earth you are trying to prove your "Non-Muslim" brothers.Do you have clue about an animal called "media"?Do I have to tell you that writers like these Taj's are all sold out,or I have to educate you bout the Uncle SAM's influence on absolutely every form of media throughout the world? Or Rediff's political interests(Keep sitting, Mr. Moderator, everybody knows it now, its quiet evident!)specially when you address President of our country as "Kalam" in the headlines while reporting bout the usual barking of thackeray! Coming back to you, you know who is killing whom?and why drag a faith in all this? these all killings are politically motivated and come out of an inherent fear of a Faith called being being spread exponentially and dominating others, and beleive me this fear is just what it is - a fear! Try to get a life buddy, coz most of the innocent iraqis and kashmiris are being deprived of that!
RE:For
by Sirish R on Feb 05, 2007 08:20 AM Permalink
you are perfectly correct Sameer, you know how it works right!!! it's everything because of Uncle Sam's influence.. what's happening in Iraq today is because of Uncle Sam!!!.. the other day a suicide bomber pulled in a truck with a ton of explosive towards a huge crowd killing scores of people, even that was someone in the Uncle Sam Army!!!.. how can a muslim kill another muslim!!!.. it has never happened in it's history the past 1400 years!!!.. lets keep this as secret and keep fooling the world that islam is a religion of peace and all the bloodsheds that happened in the name of God for the past 1400 years were purely responsible by America.. oh!!! I'm sorry America wasn't there at that time!!!.. lets blame someone else!!!.. oh yeah, we have Jews!!!.. they are responsible for all this.. they are the pigs and apes!!!.. we got it!!!.. Victory to Islam!!!!.. Praise be to God!!! Lets fool the World!!!.. Lets Fool the Dhimmi World!!!..
It is rather painful to read this news. Religion is a personal faith and God is a belief. No body knows for sure what happens after life and no life is permanent here. Why then fight in the name of religion?? Why not this universal brotherhood be deployed for good causes like uplifting millions of poor muslims by way of education/ decent living?? No God by whatever name you call will be pleased with merciless killing of innocent lives. The mankind is spending a huge portion of its resources to defend itself from threats posed posed by non other than mankind itself. What a pathetic situation? People lived more secure and happily with limited facilities in the past than now in this modern world. Let God bring sense to this mankind.. VJ
as is clear from various reports pakistan is somehow preparing for a big fight not directly rather indirectly as stupid ways. but my fearlies in the fact that our government doesnt seem to be daring enough and we dont have Indira Gandhi who can look into eye of devil and force to retreat them
mosquesd are palces of worship and not to be used to encourage Terrorism.. Long time back BHidrebnwala used the golden temple and sikh gurudwaras to promote terrrorists.. In case you are not feeling well contyact a doctor GOD is a philosophy only Allah or muhammad nabi did not encourage Jihad.. What are you fighting for!! If you want free kashmir having 70% in india how will you get wgheat and rice because there is mountains that is himalayas and it wioll be costly whereas you can get truckloads of ric e and wheat from indian punjab nad pakisthani occupied kashmir can get from Pakistahn Punjab and send Apples back.. Regards Mahesh nayathil http://www.maheshnbiomedical.com
hello mr,vijay ganju.. what u knows about Islam. How dare u to write that every mosque... dear mr please think before writing.. i m sure definately u r low on ur vision.. dont blame muslims.. electronic media trying to change the image of muslim .. are u ever try to observe the living of ordinary muslim.. i m not telling all muslim are goood.. but there are alwayse bad element in every reliogion. then why people only highliting muslims.. may be this is because of the fast spreading of Islam worldwide.. As per the media Islam supports terrorism then why peoples (in large) accepting (converting)to Islam.. So my humble request is to pls stopp posting such a msg. One thing i wanna tell u that Islam teach us about the " UNIVERSAL BRTHERHOO".. so if u any doubt about Islam pls feel free to write me on hashim_nn@rediffmail.com thanx.. Jai Hind
RE:every mosque
by saif kashmiri on Feb 03, 2007 09:36 PM Permalink
yes,as u said islam is fastest spreading religion but its not the fastest growing religion.it is incresing in numbers because of birth rates (www.bible.ca/islam/islam-myths-fastest-growing.htm).falung gong with over 100 million new adult converts in less than 10 years is fastest growing religion, followed by christianty that has made strides during these recent years in india and africa. more than half of iranians do not call themselves muslims anymore and this alone counts for 35 million people.secondly excess numbers/quantity does not add to their strength but rather to their weakness and poverty.the quality of religion is directly proportional to quality of life.for example the ratio of nobel laureates between muslims and jews are 1:100,considering population of muslims is more than 10 times higher than those of jews.also total GDP of arabs countries combined is less than the GDP of spain alone.please do visits the following sites : 1.www.interfax-religion.com/?act=news&div=513 2.www.formermuslims.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=972 3.www.timesonli ne.co.uk/article/0,2-1470584,00.htm 4.www.faithfreedom.org/forum/viewforum.php?f=30&topicdays=0&start 5.www.rad ioislam.com/_asx/publicaffairs/whynewmleave.asx
RE:RE:every mosque
by Hans Solo on Feb 04, 2007 01:21 PM Permalink
"total GDP of arabs countries combined is less than the GDP of spain alone" Dear Saif kashmiri, which century figure are you quoting? The sites you quoted are hoax sites and unreliable. Do you have anything from bbc, wiki to quote the figures from.
Or just check the GDP of a tiny arab country like UAE and you will get the idea
RE:every mosque
by on Feb 04, 2007 04:06 PM Permalink
Firstly, there is nothing like universal brotherhood in islam. Islam calls for muslims to assert themselves as rightful owners of this world by subjugating kaffirs[ disbeleivers]...so Hashim, plz stop spreading lies. Secondly, islam is fastest growing religion due to unchecked birth rate in poor developing muslim countries like pakistan and bangladesh. Thirdly, ppl are pointing fingers at islam particularly becoz it openly advocates violence against nonmuslims as the only salvation to reach allah.
RE:every mosque
by Amjed Sheikh on Feb 04, 2007 06:30 AM Permalink
Hello hashim bhai, I agree not all mosques are spreading terror mentality. But outsiders like vijay cannot distinguish between the good and bad mullahs. This is because the influence of wahabi brand of fundamentalist view of islam is gaining ground in our community. This view has no regards for shias, sufis, ahmedis or other religion. We sunni muslims have a duty to help people understand the importance of tolerance. I was happy by your offer of discussion. I also noted that you are a nationalist Indian. Let us together eleminate the spread of hate.
RE:RE:every mosque
by Shahryar Pax on Feb 10, 2007 09:13 PM Permalink
Read this story: Our mosques are importing jihad ( http://women.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/women/article1354063.ece ) on how jihadis have taken over the masjids in the UK - an account by a woman born in the UK to Pakistani immigrants.
Last month an undercover TV documentary caught various imams in UK masjids preaching their new jihad - which included targeting shops owned by Indians! (YouTube may still have excerpts online.)
To a mussulman no agreement made with a non-muslim (kafir) needs to be honoured - you guys in India had better wise up fast!
RE:every mosque
by Sahib on Feb 03, 2007 09:23 PM Permalink
Dear Hashim, (The problem is that people like you get excited immediately without fully knowing or understanding and start threatening) I don,t have to dare any-body and we are in a democracy - not in pakistan.) Further, I think u have not read my message fully. I am talking about mosques and not Islam. Go thru my write up again and try to understand it. Regards/Vijay Ganjoo
RE:Every mosque / why Lal only
by saif kashmiri on Feb 03, 2007 08:42 PM Permalink
dear ganjoo, not every mosque is a source of terrorism but i agree with u we have a few.being a kashmiri like u i am ashamed for my few fellow muslims who made u to leave kashmir
RE:RE:Every mosque / why Lal only
by vijay ganjoo on Feb 03, 2007 09:26 PM Permalink
Dear Mr Saif / i am waiting for a day when God will give courage to Kashmiri Muslims and they will call Pandits back from these very Mosques. Insha-Allah we will meet again and live together for ever.
RE:RE:RE:Every mosque / why Lal only
by saif kashmiri on Feb 04, 2007 01:56 AM Permalink
with the blessing lord shiva(kashmiri pandit are followers of lord shiva, and shivratri is their biggest festival) we will live together
RE:RE:RE:RE:Every mosque / why Lal only
by Amjed Sheikh on Feb 04, 2007 04:22 AM Permalink
Saif bhai, I am proud of fellow "indian muslim" like you. We have the responsibility to resist the attempts by some fundamentalists to hijack the name of Islam. Killers of innocent people (which is what the so called modern Jihadis) should not be allowed to destroy our brotherhood with rest of Indians.
Stupid people like Imaan are defaming our religion by projecting a more fundamentalist view.
RE:RE:RE:RE:Every mosque / why Lal only
by Koushik Rudra on Feb 04, 2007 12:34 PM Permalink
Dear Saif,
Felt heartening to see your mail. This is the true essence of every religion - love and brotherhood. Please be like this and do not change - this is a request.
RE:Every mosque / why Lal only
by Keshav Kale on Feb 04, 2007 04:04 PM Permalink
If whatever is said during the Friday meetings is broadcast through microphone and speakers outside each mosque and if the Law and Order people of the Govt are able to hear what goes on in there, there will be a quantum improvement in the acivities connected with mosques. President Musharraf had announced that he planned to enforce this rule, but somehow it has not been done so far.
Pakistan establishment is unfaithful to Insincere America and nothing is going to stop this kind of activity in this country. We Indians should remain alert and better look into what is happening in India. Where this country is heading...nobody is bothered. You may see a legal Pakistan being taken away from the present India. In 47 they took illegal Pakistan. So true Indians should take care. Jai Hind.
RE:Un faithfull Pakistan / Insincere America
by arvind d on Feb 03, 2007 08:19 PM Permalink
You are rite sahib, we Indians have learnt enough by our expereinces and we should look into ourselves otherwise there will be hardly any diference betw India and its neighbours.
RE:RE:Un faithfull Pakistan / Insincere America
by vijay ganjoo on Feb 03, 2007 09:42 PM Permalink
Look how disgusting is your neighbourhood: Pakistan ---- All time Rogue state. BanglaDesh---- Fanatic / Anti India country. Sri Lanka --- Unfortunately troublesome. they have their own worries. Nepal---- No more a Hindu State. Pakistani terrorists use Nepal as transit and easy access to india. China----- Can you imagine.
India is held in between mean neighbours and friendly but weak countries like Bhutan. India therefore has to be strong and hardhitting like America.
Unfortunately we have internal troubles as well which should be the biggest worry of our politicians and countrymen.
RE:RE:RE:Un faithfull Pakistan / Insincere America
by on Feb 09, 2007 07:55 PM Permalink
As long as Pakistan have China as their friend, There is no harm in India keeping America as its friend. By telling fundamentalism, stupidity, fanatism please don't divert a good friendship.
RE:RE:RE:RE:Un faithfull Pakistan / Insincere America
by on Feb 09, 2007 08:13 PM Permalink
All these problems, we are facing is because of a mix of China, Pakistan, Maoists, Bangaladesh combinations. They have weapons & these illegal combinations. We only have weapons, we don't have any illegal combinations like them. In order to win, we need to be competitive with the enemy. It is sad to hear that some of our populations here are very easy turning against soft india, their own mother land.
Wherein other countries, the same populations, they are utilizing their fundamentalism to achieve their countries goals. It is the fate of India!
Lal Mosque is indeed true to its name- breeding 'red' hot danger for the citizens of its country where it is located and may be for the Hindu neighbour who has been always a thorn in its flesh.
A matter of interest here is how 'mian' Musharraf has successfully broached the idea of either demolishing or re-locating such communal tinder boxes which are out to be very troublesome if not nipped in the bud.
Imagine such a thing in India and we can see our 'secular' media convulsing in 'egalitarian' rage! Side by side, the moderates in the 'secular' social space would moan and whine that their voice is not reflected in the same secular media which faithfully reports every twist and turn that affects the significant 'other'.
Tonnes and tonnes of evidence are available in public domains round the world about how our Islamic neighbour has pressed the self-destruct button quite too often in the past six decades that it has existed as a nation. Still, they continue to remain in a time warp! I reckon a lot of time is still left for them to complete their thousand years of jehad against infidels, the list of whom keeps adding up over the years!
God! please pardon them, for they know not what they are doing!!
