media has coined Nehru-gandhi dynasty.First there is no gandhi link with nehru.secondly indiara's husband was not gandhi at all.It was assumed or given name for their marriage convenience,nehru was from a middle class family of pubdits in kashmir.media has artificially created Nehru-gandhi dynasty connecting two differnt sir names and families and personalities.It is deceptive and crminal act to kmake young geberation think that sonia and rahul etc are desecndents of gandhiji and nehru both.Nehru was biggets blunderer in polticis and mediocre guy with over cunnigness. Same way bhutto was not illustrious at all.What was illustrious aboutn him?and also about benazir.Both palyed anti India card several times to get into seat.In islamic country it is not possible and also with Army firmly seated in pakistan with huge stakes and minting money & wealth.
she was a champion of demo-crazy, not democracy. moderate face of islam??? nice joke. she was the mother of the taliban sending in isi and army advisors and helping them evolve from a rag tag band into a fighting force, she oversaw the increase of terrorism in india by funding all the terrorist groups...and she is a champion of moderate islam? then who is extremist...the muslims live in a delusional world where words become facts just by utterance..
RE:is the writer talking about benazir or some fictional character?
by sadaChiddi on Dec 27, 2007 11:18 PM Permalink
India's father of nation was assasinated by a extremist,Indira and Raji fell to a different extremism.Srilanka has its own share so does Bangladesh.How ever even in such circumstances many people here in rediff are wishing pakistan to descend into further disaster.. I am afraid of you guys than the enemy pakistan
One of my friend says she is not representative of Islam, correct she is not but is the representative of Pakistan, Pakistan is not a representative of Islam, We have more muslim brothers than Pakistan, but she as a woman is an stupid country, where only the Jungle Raj is going on stood and becam prime Minister, if she is corrupt, why the hell she was given amnesty instead of trail, in first place she would have not allowed to leave the country. It is very unfair to say she is corrupt, who is not corrupt in Pakistan, every leader is corrupt and it is only true that Pakistan is a failed country, where only terrorism is manufactured develpoed used and exported. It is the country of terror and terrorism and all the true muslims who really follow the Islam should always condemn any type or terror, one or other type of terror is not to be allowed terror is terror afterall. Now only I request all the muslim brothers who talk of Islam and terro to have an introspection on their part.
RE:It is not fair to tell She is corrupt
by Jaffer Ali on Dec 27, 2007 09:35 PM Permalink
I agree with you, we condemn all sorts of terrorist activities whenever it happened, the problem is we have no good leaders and the so called leaders are biased. Our views are suppressed and we have been branded terrorists by parties like BJP [they do this to get votes]. The saddest part is our patriotism being questioned :(.
RE:It is not fair to tell She is corrupt
by Manpreet Saini on Dec 27, 2007 09:53 PM Permalink
i can understand Mr jaffar but there still be ediots like sri vellur ..... cant do anything about them
RE:It is not fair to tell She is corrupt
by sri vellur on Dec 27, 2007 09:58 PM Permalink
you nitwit..which part of what i said is untrue..prove it before talking from ur backside..
RE:It is not fair to tell She is corrupt
by sri vellur on Dec 27, 2007 10:50 PM Permalink
hahn?? come again siddddh boy..guess u dont know the meaning of the word sufficient..so take a hike in mullah land, u dhimmi
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by khan on Dec 27, 2007 10:51 PM Permalink
for centuries we are staying here. and we never cried. we are staying here bravely. and continue to stay and even die here.
RE:It is not fair to tell She is corrupt
by sri vellur on Dec 27, 2007 09:47 PM Permalink
your views are what? 1) more haj subsidies 2) no clamping down on SIMI? 3) supporting terrorism in India? 4) driving out hindus from kashmir? 5) burning hindus in trains... And nobody questions your loyalty to the ummah..we know that pretty well by now.
RE:It is not fair to tell She is corrupt
by mohammed aziz on Dec 27, 2007 10:06 PM Permalink
Dear Sri, Plz don't differentiate by saysing hindu or muslim. We all are brothers, we should not develop hatred towards each other. It is a fact that political parties and few leaders creating partitions for their selfishness, but I am sure common civilians like us don't have hatred feelings. We are Indians rather than Muslim or Hindu. Proud to be an INDIAN.
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by cal mama on Dec 27, 2007 10:12 PM Permalink
mr. azia, very good to hear that. but i guess, the same will be not liked by ur mullahs. try to educate ppl( if u have the guts). and u r saying that all r brothers: we all know the meaning of the very 1st line of the prayer that u do ' La ila, illah ..... that proves what has to be proved. am not being desriptive. i guess, u will undertstand. if u have the courage to go against that pls do so.
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by sri vellur on Dec 27, 2007 10:20 PM Permalink
nice dialog - assuming it is sincere..sadly whatever i said is true...so bottomline, my opinion doesnt change about muslims..
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by khan on Dec 27, 2007 10:22 PM Permalink
WE NEVER ASKED FOR SUBSIDIES. IF IT IS WITHDRAWN THEN WE WILL BENEFIT MORE THAT THE EXCHEQUER. REGARDING POINT 2 & 3 NOT A SINGLE RALLY OR DEMONSTRATION WAS HELD STATING WE ARE AGAINST BAN ON SIMI OR WE SUPPORT TERRORISM. REGARDING 4 THE BLAME SHOULD BE ON THE CENTRAL GOVT. WHICH DID NOT HAD ANY STRATEGY. REGARDING 5 LET THE COURT DECIDE WHO BURNED IT. WHETHER MUSLIM OR HINDU GIVE HIM THE PUNISHMENT WHAT IS BEST AS PER LAW. NOW I ASK YOU OVER THESE 60 YEARS MUSLIMS NEVER TRIED TO HAVE THEIR OWN POLITICAL PARTY. EITHER THEY SUPPORTED CONGRESS OR SAMAJWADI OR BSP OR JANTADAL OR TO SOME EXTENT EVEN BJP. WERE THESES PARTIES LED BY MUSLIMS OR HINDUS. OVER ALL THESE 60 YEARS WE HAD AS MUCH FAITH ON HINDUS AS WE HAVE ON MUSLIMS.
RE:It is not fair to tell She is corrupt
by sri vellur on Dec 27, 2007 10:29 PM Permalink
1) has any muslim party/leader ever gone to kashmir to condemn what has happened to the hindus there - NO 2) has any muslim party/leader ever come out and condemned the hooligans who threatened taslima in hyderabad - NO 3) ever thought or reconciling with the hindus by giving back ayodhya - it is not ur mecca? - NO 4) ever come out FOR uniform civil code - NO 5) has any muslim ever come out and helped stop terrorism by exposing those jihadis who are so entrenched in the community - shouldnt be that difficult- NO
RE:It is not fair to tell She is corrupt
by khan on Dec 27, 2007 10:48 PM Permalink
EVEN HINDUS DIDN'T WHEN THERE. WHY DID NOT A SINGLE HINDU CAME FORWARD FOR MF HUSSAIN. AYODHYA ALREADY TAKEN BACK. WHAT DO YOU NEED NOW. UCC I HAD GIVEN THE REPLY BEFORE. I DONT NO WHICH CITY OF INDIA DO YOU LIVE IN. FOR YOUR KIND INFORMATION YOU WILL FIND MORE POLICE INFORMERS IN MUSLIM COMMUNITY THAN COMPARED TO OTHER COMMUNITIES.
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by Jaffer Ali on Dec 27, 2007 09:51 PM Permalink
You are rubbish and I told that to Mr. Amarendar Reddy not to you, you are Hindu terrorist brain washed by RSS's stupid ideology. We never worry about those to criticise us, still we have Majority of the Hindus support, you are minority.
RE:It is not fair to tell She is corrupt
by cal mama on Dec 27, 2007 10:07 PM Permalink
Mr. Ali, considering u as an Indian( not a Paki), pls tell ur community to accept Uniform Civil Code. Thats the first step. Second is : its over 4 hours, none of ur mullahs have condemned the killing or have issued fatwas against the killers. balance will come later
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by khan on Dec 27, 2007 10:16 PM Permalink
HAD WE EVER HAD A GOOD DISCUSSION IN PARLIAMENT WHAT UCC WILL BE LIKE. AND BELIEVE BEFORE MUSLIMS PROTEST THE SO CALLED FRIENDS OF MUSLIMS CONGRESS SJP LEFT ETC. WILL OPPOSE IT. AND THE MEDIA WILL SAY THAT MUSLIMS ARE OPPOSING. FIRST BEGAN A DEBATE IN PARLIAMENT THEN THEN GIVE JUDGEMENTS.
RE:It is not fair to tell She is corrupt
by june on Dec 27, 2007 10:42 PM Permalink
Pakistan is a country with idiots and losers they have not made any progress and I am not suprised about that. The mughal invaders who occupied India were not known to contribute anything for India ..they were known for drinking alcohol and wiping out India's treasure and exploiting woman. The present muslims are still there decendents and they don't have much values to begin with.That's why pakistanis cannot live with peace. India is a free and great country that allows muslims to live freely in our country allowing a huge population os muclims. RSS may trouble muslims but it is nothing compared to muslim fanatics who have vague notions of reaching heaven. Most hindus have been killed in pakistan if muslims are true people they would thank everyday they were born in India and not in pakistan. There might be rss in India maybe these people are worried that invaders have destroyed india and they wanta hindu country..dont muslim countries want muslim country or christian countries want christianity..its time muslims learn to respect hindus who have been more than generous to other religions
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by sri vellur on Dec 27, 2007 10:00 PM Permalink
only people with u r congress and the commies..and ofcourse al queda, taliban..lol..
RE:It is not fair to tell She is corrupt
by piyush bakshi on Dec 27, 2007 10:00 PM Permalink
jaffer, why dont muslims like you come out and condemn islamic fundamentalism and answeer sri's points point-by-point
RE:There is no moderate Islam....
by Jaffer Ali on Dec 27, 2007 09:30 PM Permalink
You will never ever stop your chanting against us, we are not bothered and we will follow our religion peacefully and most of the people doing. You people failed to find that terrorists have no religion, they kill people regardless of religion. We should unite to eradicate this idiots.
RE:Reep what you sow
by samir banerjee on Dec 27, 2007 09:26 PM Permalink
Mr Faizan, You are the reason for the present state of non tolerent religious fanatism.Religion is a matter which is close to heart and not for public consumption.If you have understood ISLAM then perhaps you would not have spoken in this language.This is the language of non tolerence If you understand Law then it says :You are not guilty till such time your crime is been proved beound any doubt: No court of Law either in Pakistan nor out side could prove her corruption The way Pakistan is moving under the cloud of fanatism without education,economic growth and repression to women time is not far when she may face another bolt of separation within the nation.You are ignorant of the views of the man who created Pakistan late Mr Jinha.If you read the charter on Pakistan by him there it says that he desire to creat a nation for MUSLIM who should be accepting all religious people with no restriction in their life and practice in their religious belief.The sacular Muslim nation was his perception.He himself was never follower of Namaz or food habit strictly followed by islam but he was no less a Muslim than others.He could do this becouse he was equiped with education and fundamental human understanding.Benazir Bhutto and Imran Khan are no less Muslim but they are not fanatic like you.It is SAD that a lady with profound GOOD of Pakistan within her been killed by FANATIC the other name of Lunatic Let us all pray for the sanity of the people of Pakistan.
RE:RE:Reep what you sow
by faizanquershi faiz on Dec 27, 2007 10:18 PM Permalink
Well Assasination of Bhutto is very Sad and well was the case of Rajiv Gandhi well these were all political killings ,,please dont mix religion into it .By the Way a I dont understand why are u so worried about muslims practising. its quite funny to hear ur comments about Practising Muslims,Well abide by our principles and we dont need expert comments by you.And one more thing dont relate Islam to terrorism ...we have fundamentalist in every religion ....
RE:Reep what you sow
by deepak on Dec 27, 2007 09:08 PM Permalink
You sound like an Islamist averse to women leaders...all Pakistani leaders from Ayub Khan thru ZA Bhutto were either drunks or egomaniacs..there was never a system of nurturing leadership in that country, ever...now, Islamism, which sends back Paki soldiers headless from Swat is what we have to watch out.
RE:Reep what you sow
by mohammed aziz on Dec 27, 2007 09:35 PM Permalink
Please stop all such stupid words againist Islam. Islam does not teach cruality. If any stupid guy say something, plz do not comment by saying Islamist. Islam is a religion of humanity not the cruality.
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by cal mama on Dec 27, 2007 10:20 PM Permalink
Mr. Aziz, pls educate us by translating the verse of the your main prayer - la ila, illala .... many of us know, but for others, its best u pls educate us!
RE:Reep what you sow
by Seenu Subbu on Dec 27, 2007 09:29 PM Permalink
No, what he probably means is, this is only a first step forward. The real conclusion of where this first steps lead to would be the annihilation of all those bearded NWF "leaders", other hard heads and nutcases, including Musharraf. Then America should step in, in the first place this is where they should have liberated the people from the cruel clutches of the army and the Mullahs, and rule Pakistan for another 10 years, restoring democracy. Between Asif Zardari and Benazir, they were the worst leaches of Pakistan, even from first hand sources. That nobody deserves to die in this fashion is another topic.
Though no fn of Benazir's policies, as an Indian I am shocked at the violent assasination of Mohtarma Benazir Bhutto. My heartfelt condolences tonher family and loved ones. A message to Pakistanis - aap jo boyenge, wahi paayenge. Jaganniwas Iyer
