Such a ferocious fighter for Democracy, if she was born in place of Indira Gandhi, India would have been in much a better shape/place today. Pakistan (given its history of military rulers and suppression of democratic values) do not deserve to be identified as a nation. UN should delist it as a nation, and enlist it as a rogue-state. Pakistan must do away with its islamic terrorism and shade its identity as an islamic state. It is a shame for Pakis that it fails to portray a good, 'peaceful' state. Infact there is no islamic state in the world which is peaceful - the meanins of 'islam' (peace) is defeated - what an irony!!
RE:Ms. Bhutto was indeed be-nazir (uncomparable)
by on Dec 28, 2007 09:52 AM Permalink
Why don't you remember our national song. It itself says "Mazhab nahi sikhata aapas mein bair karna hindu hain hum muslim hain hum". Leave pointing out fingures on any religion as religion does not teaches terrorism.
RE:RE:Ms. Bhutto was indeed be-nazir (uncomparable)
by dddelhi on Dec 28, 2007 10:22 AM Permalink
kindly note that this was wriiten by Mohammad Iqbal, who himself left india and migrated to Pakistan on the name of religion... so there is no pure emotions in this poem..
RE:RE:RE:Ms. Bhutto was indeed be-nazir (uncomparable)
by dddelhi on Dec 28, 2007 10:23 AM Permalink
the real national song of India is Vande matram... VANDE MATRAM
Its high time we people unite and kick out terrorism in all forms. Terrorists will fail if they failed to get the support of people. So lets unite and stamp out terrorism. I have heard there is a mini pakistan in Hyderabad. People hoisting Pakistani flags and terrorising traders by collecting money for terror fund and even cheering pakistani cricket teams. If these people as so obsessed with that country they should leave India and go there. We should kick them out. These are the people who enjoy the freedom, subsidies and benefits given by vote bank politics and involve in anti india activities. Its high time our people realize this and kick all those out of our nation.
God save India for selfish politicians and terrorists.
This is the bad situation created by extremists, but in India we are not taking any action on extremist actions like: 1) Blast in Hyderabad mask 2) Blast in some parks in HYDERABAD 3) Blast in a busy hotel in Hyderabad 4) Ajmir blast traced likns to HYDERABAD 5) Any blast in India is with links to HYDERABAD
even afer all the above blasts and links to Hyderabad.
NO ACTION IN HYDERABAD FOR JUST 12% MUSLIM VOTES for dirty congress???
Please save Hyderabad before it becomes like pakistan!!! OTHERWISE ONE DAY BJP/Mr.MODI WILL CLEAR HYDERABAD.
RE:AP Congress govt need to learn!!!
by SHRI RAM on Dec 28, 2007 12:11 AM Permalink
BJP Mr Modi will make another Afghanistan to India, they believ in hate and that poision they are giving to your minds.
RE:AP Congress govt need to learn!!!
by rajeev on Dec 28, 2007 08:32 AM Permalink
Mr modi cleared the terror scum from gujarat.Now it is up to people of india to give clear mandate to BJP to allow them to make india a safe place by clearing this terror scum.
RE:AP Congress govt need to learn!!!
by Faisal Khan on Dec 28, 2007 12:24 AM Permalink
You are right VHP and BJP wants to make this country like Afghanistan they wants to hold all political power like Mullas in middle east, we muslims are the victims of this extrimism and Now hindus are also going to receive same. carry on make India as extrimist state you will learn soon the benefits.
We appreciate your thoughtful debate. It certainly made me visit this mediocre article more than once. Keep your comments coming.
Sri, You did raise few meaningful points raised, but they got washed away with your view of all muslims as one entity responsible for every bad situation. You want to debate policy making honestly, we should stop blaming the debator and making him feel personally responsible for 9/11 and Gujarat train problems.
For people who are pointing out Orissa churches, nobody is proud of them. It is a bunch of goondas escalating the situation, and law enforcement is failing to control. I would not start labelling it yet, before we have all facts.
RE:RE:Debating Religion, Politics and Terrorism
by sri vellur on Dec 27, 2007 11:36 PM Permalink
please tell me what facts u want jason..as a hindu i take it personally when christians exploit poverty and indulge in vulgar conversion..i know what the situation in the north east is? i know about the lovely inquisition the portu-geese conducted in goa. i know what happened to the indigenous cultures of latin america/north america after the white man went in there and waved his magic wand..would the christian like hindus to go in there and indulge in coercive conversion? i dont think so. so dont we, and yes it will come down to this level if the missionaries dont stop.
RE:RE:RE:Debating Religion, Politics and Terrorism
by SHRI RAM on Dec 27, 2007 11:49 PM Permalink
Sri you are no different brain than Talibanis, who wants to snatch freedom of religion, people like you are just escape goats and convert brain of extremist, who made to feel that everywhere cpeople converting into christianity, because of allurement, bur i dont think so, Theory is very simple, answer me why Buddha is more acceptable through out the world not lord Rama or Lord Krishna, Why Jesus christ is more acceptable ? Reason that is the message of peace and love, which neither lord Rama promoted nor Lord Krishna, The acceptability of Lord Krishna is still there because in Mahabharta he didnt participate, but driving the chariot of righteousness. On other hand lord Rama was a warrior, with always carryinf Bow and Arrow. So it is good to accept peace in alway, now your theory is just inspired by VHP they use to write and promote all these fanatic thoughts that christianity was spread by this and that neither Jesus Christ Born in rich family nor he left money for its promotion, and I dont think that promoting peace and love is wrong in any way, clear your concept for Humanity otherwise you will also be among many, turns south asias into middle east.
RE:Debating Religion, Politics and Terrorism
by Amit on Dec 28, 2007 10:38 AM Permalink
Don't teach Humanity to the world's oldest religion - Hinduism. The idea of Hindusim itself is in leading a pious and harmonious life. If you compare the scriptures and teachings of Hindusism and Cristianity, the latter will sound like nursery rhimes to anyone.
RE:Debating Religion, Politics and Terrorism
by Tarun on Dec 28, 2007 12:20 AM Permalink | Hide message
What culture you are talking about, go and see the night clubs of any Metros in India you will find all hindu girls having wine glass in their hands with western out fits, even you are writing this messages in English, and feel shame to speak Hindi or your mother tongue in front of camera, you are pseudos nothing else, Can you roam in DHOTI KURTA? Why do you wear jeans, pants and shirts ? you are killinbg your culture yourself.
RE:RE:Debating Religion, Politics and Terrorism
by Amit on Dec 28, 2007 10:42 AM Permalink
Haha, your silly mind itself shows the reason why you converted.
Indeed that's US culture, but that isn't cristianity.
Hinduism also does not stop you drink and wear western clothes.
RE:RE:Debating Religion, Politics and Terrorism
by sri vellur on Dec 28, 2007 01:19 AM Permalink
tarunji...nobody should wear their religion on their sleeve...wearing jeans, drinking wine, going to clubs doesnt denigrate hinduism nor does it define culture..it is only a reflection of the times we live in..such narrow definitions are only applied by the taliban..not us hindus.. samjhe?
RE:Debating Religion, Politics and Terrorism
by SHRI RAM on Dec 28, 2007 12:03 AM Permalink
The wide spread of all hindu religious outfit in western world and allowing them to establish the temples and run their mission is because of christian teachings, that why all Hindus having different origin and race are acceptable in USA a canada and western world , if you feel that they needs your skills or like like the idealogy of hinduism or Hindus so you are wrong its written in bible Love your neighbour thy yourself. They allowing you to grow up but Hindu outfits opposes all humanitarian work can they stop RED CROSS? can they Stop UNICEF? can They stop UNO? That is all originated from the same Root that is christianity or love and Peace. You are allowed in western countries to promote your idealogy why your worried from them do yopu scare that their piece of bread is bigger than yours, just cash Humanity than you will learn christianity.
RE:RE:Debating Religion, Politics and Terrorism
by sri vellur on Dec 28, 2007 01:17 AM Permalink
abhe saale dar pok..likhne ke liye convert ho gaya kya..puppy shame...lol
RE:RE:Debating Religion, Politics and Terrorism
by Amit on Dec 28, 2007 10:38 AM Permalink
Don't teach Humanity to the world's oldest religion - Hinduism. The idea of Hindusim itself is in leading a pious and harmonious life. If you compare the scriptures and teachings of Hindusism and Cristianity, the latter will sound like nursery rhimes to anyone.
India's father of nation was assasinated by a extremist,Indira and Raji fell to a different extremism.Srilanka has its own share so does Bangladesh.How ever even in such circumstances many people here in rediff are wishing pakistan to descend into further disaster.. I am afraid of you guys than the enemy pakistan
RE:I am afraid of you guys
by Shankar Shinde on Dec 28, 2007 09:43 AM Permalink
Nobody of them mentioned by you were killed unnecessarily. All were responsible for their death themselves. Don't believe in the history promoted by Nehru and Congress. That Ras..cal had called our Shivajiraje as dacoit. They all commited blunder and got killed. It is time to rewrite the history....
RE:MODERATE
by sri vellur on Dec 27, 2007 11:31 PM Permalink
i love the way christians complain about hindus fighting conversion..it is like blaming the rape victim for protesting against the rapist..only the congress, jnu freaks and the commies will buy and sell that shit along with their patrons from the west..
She was the one who started terrorism from pakistan to India. Her policy was if we cant defeat India in war lets bleed india by terrorism.She got her own dose in the end. Allah , Ishwar , God all are one and give same treatment to each individual
RE:She was India's enemy number 1
by aandhi on Dec 28, 2007 12:17 AM Permalink
very right,it was during her regime and under her patronage that terrorism was exported to India in 1988-89-90
RE:She was India's enemy number 1
by observer on Dec 27, 2007 11:02 PM Permalink
whats going to happen in Pakistan in the next few days will really disturb India.it can only be said PAKISTAN MURDABAD!!!!!!!!!!
Benazir is an immatured politician who is not capable of ruling a complicated country such as pakistan. Pakistanis have not tasted democracy since their inception and they dont have any idea of democracy of freedom. The problem with pakistanis or all muslims are that they put religion above personal freedom and democracy, and ready forgo those features in the name of religion. That is why they have not rebelled against dictatorship like the people of a tiny country like Nepal. They never will.
Pakistan NEEDS to give back Waziristan region back to Afghanistan as they should have after Durand line 100 year treaty expired in 1990s (like Hong Kong went back to china). This will eliminate the excuse mushraf uses to why pak military cannot go there (autonomous region) and NATO cannot come into (Pakistan territory). Pakistan grabbed this land after treaty expired and called it a autonomous region . It needs to give it back as it should have in the first place. Then NATO can go in and clean the place out, local pashtuns will like that too.
