After all this attack on churches Madam Sonia is very pissed off and whe is just waiting for an opportunity to impose presidents rule in the state. When Malasian Govt is destroing temples in Malasia she doenst react. Muslims know how to protect themselves so they dont have to face something like this.
RE:Madam Sonia is very Angry
by sarfarosh on Dec 27, 2007 07:59 PM Permalink
what about sarabjit. He is languishing in a Pakistani jail. If sarabjit were a christian then we would have seen strict diplomatic action and PM in sadness. When amarnath yatris were gunned down no media were interested in reporting. When an adivasi women was chased to nudity, no human rights commission guys were interested. They are all behind modi and hindus. Who knows if this is really the work of the so calledcommunal forces. It could be the handiwork of secular forces to garner votes for the LS elections.
RE:Madam Sonia is very Angry
by dom dom on Dec 27, 2007 08:01 PM Permalink
Why do Hindus whant to ge in malasia , come back to India and get salary of Rs 1,500.00 pm
RE:Madam Sonia is very Angry
by m on Dec 27, 2007 08:06 PM Permalink
Which India? The current status is:
Kerala - C/o Gulf Tamilnadu - No Comments Andhra Pradesh - Telangana movement Karnataka - Ask Tamilnadu Bihar,UP - Their weapons are sophisticated than Indian Army's Bengal - No comments. Chinese will listen. Seven sister states - Instant death if you are non-assamese. Punjab - Khalistan Kashmir - Kidding? Rajasthan - You are "paradesi" for them. Maharastra - Ask Biharis in Mumbai. ...
I dont understand why CONVERTS are still in India... as soon as they are 'manufactured', Vatican should sponsor a special flight to carry them 'HOME' .. I'm so eager to contribute my 1 penny for your tickets !!
Freedom to convert is applicable only when the target is educated, knowledgeable, capable of independent thought so as to make an informed choice and is aware of the result of his decisions. Not some uneducated, poor, for whom survival is everything. There should not be any bribe - be it financial or a seat in college.
RE:Freedom to convert
by crazyforsense on Dec 27, 2007 08:00 PM Permalink
The churches have already stated what your enlightened soul has. If you are unaware of what the Church stand on conversions is as these VHP guys are, please educate yourself.
If what you say is true, then how come all converts poor, dalits, villagers, tribals and none from bangalore, mumbai, delhi, etc, particularly those who are educated and not susceptible to bribe of any sort? Come on man, I am free. Try your god on me.
RE:Freedom to convert
by crazyforsense on Dec 27, 2007 08:16 PM Permalink
@gautam gautam...
I dont believe in trying anyones God on anyone.
Please go and read the CURRENT church policy on conversions and you will be shocked to find it the same you are saying - against force and/or inducement in any form.
Now your conception about poor....dalits etc might be cos they faced social stigma....i cant answer for them. So far as I am concerned.....my ancestors (5 generations up) were from a brahmin family.........that should be irrelevant to your discussion here.
No one is trying to bring anyones God on anyone, certainly not me.
I am against arson/violence in any from. The right way to handle this was to book the fool who attacked the VHP leader........how believable is that?
RE:Freedom to convert
by sarfarosh on Dec 27, 2007 07:57 PM Permalink
Yes.
what about sarabjit. He is languishing in a Pakistani jail. If sarabjit were a christian then we would have seen strict diplomatic action and PM in sadness. When amarnath yatris were gunned down no media were interested in reporting. When an adivasi women was chased to nudity, no human rights commission guys were interested. They are all behind modi and hindus. Who knows if this is really the work of the so calledcommunal forces. It could be the handiwork of secular forces to garner votes for the LS elections.
True Religion is never man made, the origin of most religions can be traced to some person but only Hinduism or Sanatana dharma has been in existence always. Nobody can trace its origins to one particular person or one point of time. Not only is it the oldest but it also the most logical too. Unlike other religions debate on all philosophical subject matters was encouraged. Which has thus given us great philosopher saints like Srimad Madhvacharya, Srimad Ramanujacharya, Sri Jiva Goswami, Sri Sankaracharya. All the conclusions of the vedas were debated before being accepted unlike other religions. Hinduism has also been the most tolerant among all other religions. Christians now want to pose themselves as the victims but they forget the atrocities committed by them in Spain (spanish inquisition), Goa (the portugese inquisition), the genocide in Tasmania... I am not justifying the burning of churches but what I want to say is that the Christians have never been a set of peaceful people as they want us to believe.
RE:Sanatana Dharma
by sarfarosh on Dec 27, 2007 07:55 PM Permalink
what about sarabjit. He is languishing in a Pakistani jail. If sarabjit were a christian then we would have seen strict diplomatic action and PM in sadness. When amarnath yatris were gunned down no media were interested in reporting. When an adivasi women was chased to nudity, no human rights commission guys were interested. They are all behind modi and hindus. Who knows if this is really the work of the so calledcommunal forces. It could be the handiwork of secular forces to garner votes for the LS elections.
RE:High and mighty
by on Dec 27, 2007 07:56 PM Permalink
Yeah as pointed out by Gautam rightly, Christianity is dying here in the west, I have been to churches a couple of times here in Europe and the only people u see here are also the poor people. From the few church visits I gather that there are hardly any educated people visiting churches here. This is not only my experience but also the statistics support this. That is why they have had to import priests from India and other African countries here....
RE:High and mighty
by sarfarosh on Dec 27, 2007 07:56 PM Permalink
what about sarabjit. He is languishing in a Pakistani jail. If sarabjit were a christian then we would have seen strict diplomatic action and PM in sadness. When amarnath yatris were gunned down no media were interested in reporting. When an adivasi women was chased to nudity, no human rights commission guys were interested. They are all behind modi and hindus. Who knows if this is really the work of the so calledcommunal forces. It could be the handiwork of secular forces to garner votes for the LS elections.
RE:VHP - Make merry while your last days last
by true tamilan on Dec 27, 2007 07:44 PM Permalink
What law did christian slaves followed when they attacked swamiji? Which indian law did they follow then two temples were attacked in that region by christians?
RE:RE:RE:VHP - Make merry while your last days last
by sarfarosh on Dec 27, 2007 07:49 PM Permalink
are you trying to thraten the true tamilian? Man you are not as brave as you sound. You should also realize that your IP also should be watched.
RE:RE:VHP - Make merry while your last days last
by dom dom on Dec 27, 2007 07:43 PM Permalink
Hindu salary = Rs 2,000.00 to Rs 6,000.00 per month as per the Hindu laws. If you are getting anything more you are already converted to the Christian way of life, which you are accepting.
Or all Hindus quit MNC%u2019s and if you are working abroad came back to India and get a Job locally.
RE:VHP - Make merry while your last days last
by sarfarosh on Dec 27, 2007 07:47 PM Permalink
do not talk as though you are the only ones affected. This government is not interested in majority's welfare. They are the secular government for the minority people. This is bound to increase.
RE:VHP - Make merry while your last days last
by dom dom on Dec 27, 2007 07:49 PM Permalink
it is rerrelevent as ! think of where y are working at the moment
Hindu salary = Rs 2,000.00 to Rs 6,000.00 per month as per the Hindu laws. If you are getting anything more you are already converted to the Christian way of life, which you are accepting.
Or all Hindus quit MNC%u2019s and if you are working abroad came back to India and get a Job locally.
Hinduism/Sanatan Dharma does talk about Castes, but it was never meant to be hereditary. Sage Vishwamitra who brought down the Gayatri mantra was never a brahmana initially, nor was Valmiki or Veda Vyasa (the compiler of the Vedas !). People had to qualify to become a Brahmana and ofcourse it helped being born in a Brahmana family. Unless a person has the qualities of peacefulness, austerity, determination and firm faith in the Supreme Lord he can't become a Brahman even if he is born in a Brahmana Family. The caste system becomes discriminatory only when you make the system hereditory. Otherwise such a division of society into the intellectual class (brahmanas), warrior class(Kshatriyas), Business class (Vaishyas) and Labourer class (shudras) is natural
Hindu salary = Rs 2,000.00 to Rs 6,000.00 per month as per the Hindu laws. If you are getting anything more you are already converted to the Christian way of life, which you are accepting.
Or all Hindus quit MNC%u2019s and if you are working abroad came back to India and get a Job locally.
RE:why Convert
by on Dec 27, 2007 07:40 PM Permalink
what is this "Hindu salary" that you are talking about and which "Hindu laws" are u referring to ?
Action being taken against the culprits as stated by CM is soft whereas congress hiding afzal is really hard! What next we need to learn about justice from congress? Get lost!
RE:Parody of justice
by sarfarosh on Dec 27, 2007 07:53 PM Permalink
what about sarabjit. He is languishing in a Pakistani jail. If sarabjit were a christian then we would have seen strict diplomatic action and PM in sadness. When amarnath yatris were gunned down no media were interested in reporting. When an adivasi women was chased to nudity, no human rights commission guys were interested. They are all behind modi and hindus. Who knows if this is really the work of the so calledcommunal forces. It could be the handiwork of secular forces to garner votes for the LS elections.
