Govt should take care of this kind of conversion calls from Xian Missionaries. We Hindus need to live without the influence of Vatican hands
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RE:The typical Xian agenda to make Hinduism extinct
by Confused Mind on Dec 27, 2007 01:15 AM Permalink
Life is God. Every developed country in the world is secular & disciplined and follows 'Uniform Civil Code'. Religion is One. It is the development of the Body & Mind. Rest are all lies and mockery and manipulation of the emotions and brains of people. Spend more time in Science, Technology, Art, Music, Sports and build economies around these for Humans & Infrastructure around these activities. Organized religion is organized madness. Just limit to Human Mind and Human Body and Human Values for Human & Gender -- Equality & Unity. The Sanskrit word - Artha means both money & meaning for Life. The Buddhist concept of 'Sangha' is also that of communism! Hence, meaningful capitalism & communism is part of humanism. This is real Hinduism as most Hindus are unaware of their philosophy. Even the gods and goddesses are scientific concepts. Shiva stands for freedom, Ganesha for wisdom, Saraswati for knowledge, Lakshmi for wealth, which are objectives of every human being in life. But people have distorted them too much. There is nothing called Christian West. All Western countries are secular and more evolved. India has progressed so far because of secularism in however distorted form it might be; as real Hinduism is real secularism in values which most are unaware of. Religion is a waste of time. Put more into work & action.
RE:The typical Xian agenda to make Hinduism extinct
by RB on Dec 27, 2007 01:21 AM Permalink
Confused Mind is absolutely right. BJP and RSS VHP are fooling the whole nation. There are more than 900 million Hindus. So this kind of thinking is rubbish. Hinduism is oldest religion and will always be there. So don't attack others due to fake fear created by BJP RSS VHP.
RE:RE:The typical Xian agenda to make Hinduism extinct
by Janesh on Dec 27, 2007 01:24 AM Permalink
Christians attacked Vishwa Hindu Parishad leader and prominent anti-conversion activist Laxmanananda Saraswati during the hol,y Christmas season.
Now we know why many convert to Xianity,not for any love for Jesus or his teachings,but for the MONEY offered by missionaries.
RE:The typical Xian agenda to make Hinduism extinct
by RB on Dec 27, 2007 01:34 AM Permalink
No county is Hindu, Muslim, christain or Jews. World belong to all.
I have some simple questions who are against missionaries 1. Why Matha Amrithananda, Shri Shri Ravi shankar and all the so called gurus of India spend 90% of their time in so called christian west? To convert whome? 2. Why most of the desciples of these gurus are from Christian west whome are basically born in Christain religion? First you ban these . I know many of them staying for months in these ashrams. 3. Why 90% of money for these gurus came from west. 2 years before India today published a cover story regarding. The amounts which they publishe re astounding. All ashrams recieve huge amounts of money from west. 4. Ask any of the so called high profile Hindutva leader where they studied whether its vajpayee, Advani.. Or where their sons/grand sons studying. 90% cases it will be a missionary school.
5. If you people cannot sit with a dalit or have food because you are so high and close to God nad your God despise it, let these missionaries do it. If these people are doing which you cannot do, no meaning getting upset.
I feel pity about people who thinks that they are protecting their religion and god by killing people nad burning thatched hut churches. I feel pity about God(s) which need human protection.
RE:Where are the Gurus/Mathas?
by Janesh on Dec 27, 2007 12:54 AM Permalink
Do these questions justify converting Hindus by false promises to Heaven?The heinous agenda of Christians to make Hinduism extinct?
RE:Where are the Gurus/Mathas?
by Confused Mind on Dec 27, 2007 12:59 AM Permalink
Life is God. Every developed country in the world is secular & disciplined and follows 'Uniform Civil Code'. Religion is One. It is the development of the Body & Mind. Rest are all lies and mockery and manipulation of the emotions and brains of people. Spend more time in Science, Technology, Art, Music, Sports and build economies around these for Humans & Infrastructure around these activities. Organized religion is organized madness. Just limit to Human Mind and Human Body and Human Values for Human & Gender -- Equality & Unity. The Sanskrit word - Artha means both money & meaning for Life. The Buddhist concept of 'Sangha' is also that of communism! Hence, meaningful capitalism & communism is part of humanism. This is real Hinduism as most Hindus are unaware of their philosophy. Even the gods and goddesses are scientific concepts. Shiva stands for freedom, Ganesha for wisdom, Saraswati for knowledge, Lakshmi for wealth, which are objectives of every human being in life. But people have distorted them too much. There is nothing called Christian West. All Western countries are secular and more evolved.
RE:Where are the Gurus/Mathas?
by Janesh on Dec 27, 2007 01:14 AM Permalink
HINDU CONCEPT OF GOD IS MORE NEAR TO TRUTH THAN ALL THE MIDDLE EASTERN 'OLD MAN TRUE GOD' IMAGES. BRAHMA STANDS FOR CREATION WHICH IS AN INHERENT TRUTH IN THE UNIVERSE,VISHNU FOR MAINTENANCE AND SHIVA OR DESTRUCTION.IF SOME ILL-INFORMES MINORITY MAN IS CONCERNED ONLY ABOUT SHIVA'S GENITAL,THEN WHAT ELSE TO SAY OTHER THAN,YA ALLAH!!! OR LORD SAVE HIS IGNORANCE.
RE:Where are the Gurus/Mathas?
by Act First on Dec 27, 2007 01:01 AM Permalink
If these gurus can convert people from west, who are basically christians, why can't the missionaries do this First you ask these gurus stop doing this and then ask misionaries to stop. You ask ISKON to stop their activities in Christian west, then complain about missionaries. You ask all these ashrams and gurus to stop accepting money from west and then preach about foreign money to christian organisations.
RE:Where are the Gurus/Mathas?
by Janesh on Dec 27, 2007 01:04 AM Permalink
They have been doing it-destroying great culture(like the Native American,for example,since you won't accept that Hindu culture is great) for centuries.Now it is high time that Hindus take the same act and crush these missionary activities.They will run with fire on their tails when even a 100 Chrisatians see the truth and return to Hinduism.Christianity is a loser even in the West.
RE:Where are the Gurus/Mathas?
by Janesh on Dec 27, 2007 12:56 AM Permalink
What Hindus need to do is play the same game.Convert some'high profile' chiristians to Hinduism and we will see all these missionaries running around in panic and taking memorandums to Sonia Amma and Pope.
RE:Where are the Gurus/Mathas?
by italyseaayi on Dec 27, 2007 12:57 AM Permalink
U moron they are doing socital job not religious conversion. Think first dont act first.
RE:RE:Where are the Gurus/Mathas?
by Act First on Dec 27, 2007 01:14 AM Permalink
Funny Logic.. Eevery one is doing that only.. only in the front.. Backdoor activities varies..
RE:Where are the Gurus/Mathas?
by Anuj Jain on Dec 27, 2007 01:04 AM Permalink
ACT II: You need to dig deeper for an answer man. Hinduism is the only religion which doesn't deny existence of other religion, in fact Hinduism is a way of life and not a religion. Sri Sri Ravi shankar is not preaching religion, he is preaching Art of living, he doesn't say that when you medidate you can not think of christ, he doesn't force you not to go to churches etc. History taugh us that Islam converted by sword and christians converted by persuasion. Hinduism was deliberately maligned by Western historians to decredit it of being the most ancient religion of all, the Sanathan Dharma, supposed to be descended to earth from god himself and practiced and propagated by rishis. Hindusim is caught in the tangle between Islam and Christianity who had been fighting for glory their gods. I have been to mosques and churches, however ask any muslim or christian to bow in a hindu temple, and see for yourself what look you get.
RE:RE:Where are the Gurus/Mathas?
by Act First on Dec 27, 2007 01:12 AM Permalink
Argument is simple boss.. You can present your religion in any form whether open or wrapped form. Ravishankar is doing it in chocolate wrappers Either every one stop it or allow both gurus and missionaries to continue.. If gurus has the freedom to conduct their meetings in US, UK etc and accept those people as desciples, then missionaries has every freedom to conduct their activities in India.
Either it is for all or for none.. There is no IF...BUT clauses..
Missonaries or any organisation can help poor people , but why they want to convert and help. so that menas thye are not doing help for whole hearted, they need to use the foreign fund 505 and remaining to personal use.Its like a mania with christian missonaries and they are targetting the poor people by giving intiially some help later once construct a church they will move.even after convert also they wont allow to all chruches or chritain burial ground. I eman considering as a second grade christians.dono why disributing bibles even in roadsides no other religion is doing this.instead they can do some work .
RE:why doing help aftyer conversion
by Act First on Dec 27, 2007 12:52 AM Permalink
I have some simple questions who are against missionaries 1. Why Matha Amrithananda, Shri Shri Ravi shankar and all the so called gurus of India spend 90% of their time in so called christian west? To convert whome? 2. Why most of the desciples of these gurus are from Christian west whome are basically born in Christain religion? First you ban these . I know many of them staying for months in these ashrams. 3. Why 90% of money for these gurus came from west. 2 years before India today published a cover story regarding. The amounts which they publishe re astounding. All ashrams recieve huge amounts of money from west. 4. Ask any of the so called high profile Hindutva leader where they studied whether its vajpayee, Advani.. Or where their sons/grand sons studying. 90% cases it will be a missionary school.
5. If you people cannot sit with a dalit or have food because you are so high and close to God nad your God despise it, let these missionaries do it. If these people are doing which you cannot do, no meaning getting upset.
I feel pity about people who thinks that they are protecting their religion and god by killing people nad burning thatched hut churches. I feel pity about God(s) which need human protection.
RE:why doing help aftyer conversion
by Janesh on Dec 27, 2007 01:01 AM Permalink
How many Indian Christians converted to the religion of Amritanadamayee or Ravishankar? They started their activities much much later than Xian missionaries started converting Hindus.
If those Hindus studied in Xian schools,what should they do? Change religion as soon as they graduate? What sick mentality? DO YOU HONESTLY THINK JESUS WOULD COME ANYWHERE NEAR YOUR CHURCHES,YOUR POPE OR YOUR MISSIONARIES FOR WHAT THEY ARE PRACTISING?
MANY ANTI-HINDU PEOPLE came to India and made it their home.So going by your logic,why should they have stayed in India?
RE:why doing help aftyer conversion
by Janesh on Dec 27, 2007 01:11 AM Permalink
Hindu organizations can convert back 20000 .Just remind the converts about how cheap and shallow the middle eastern philosophy of God is. They will come back in no time.
RE:why doing help aftyer conversion
by Pattumma Mohiyuddein on Dec 27, 2007 12:47 AM Permalink
Christian missionary activities should be curbed by Govt.Even Mahatma Gandhi has decried conversion(maybe the reason why Mahatma is not a blue-eyed boy to UPA-Sonia Congress)
RE:My Hindu Brothers and Sisters...
by on Dec 27, 2007 12:57 AM Permalink
Ahmad Nawaz first before you try to point a finger on others dont forget that remaining 4 fingers are pointing towards you. Greatness of our Hindu religion is that we forgive idiots like u. God is watching you...
RE:RE:My Hindu Brothers and Sisters...
by italyseaayi on Dec 27, 2007 12:42 AM Permalink
Missionaries should start their conversion job in Pakistan as the poor and disease people their needs immediate attention. Mullahs are causing huge problem there. Please give them some money, rice, chappals, cloth so that they will get converted to christs. By doing so u are also solving the problem of terrorism.
RE:My Hindu Brothers and Sisters...
by Confused Mind on Dec 27, 2007 12:42 AM Permalink
Life is God. Every developed country in the world is secular & disciplined and follows 'Uniform Civil Code'. Religion is One. It is the development of the Body & Mind. Rest are all lies and mockery and manipulation of the emotions and brains of people. Spend more time in Science, Technology, Art, Music, Sports and build economies around these for Humans & Infrastructure around these activities. Organized religion is organized madness. Just limit to Human Mind and Human Body and Human Values for Human & Gender -- Equality & Unity. The Sanskrit word - Artha means both money & meaning for Life. The Buddhist concept of 'Sangha' is also that of communism! Hence, meaningful capitalism & communism is part of humanism. This is real Hinduism as most Hindus are unaware of their philosophy. Even the gods and goddesses are scientific concepts. Shiva stands for freedom, Ganesha for wisdom, Saraswati for knowledge, Lakshmi for wealth, which are objectives of every human being in life. But people have distorted them too much.
RE:RE:My Hindu Brothers and Sisters...
by italyseaayi on Dec 27, 2007 12:43 AM Permalink
Oye hypercrite pakistani or muslim. U want ur multiple wives to hide themself in side burkha and u will go and njoy Mujra dance. and have sex with Saima Khan.. Langoor chu..tiye
RE:My Hindu Brothers and Sisters...
by ajith v on Dec 27, 2007 12:45 AM Permalink
some things are comming in papers, I think you know how many people are killing in the name of jehadi, did allah told any one to kill , dono what these muslim guys are doing in India, Lot of muslim dominated areas are considering themselves as pakistan.where ever you go troubles are creating by muslims and simply creating news, About worship it depends on religion, even i htink you are worshiping allah without any idol, but for magical power year back lot of muslims drink sea water in mumbai!!!Again main work for indian muslims are gundaism , mafia gangs, smuggling.I think evenif the elder people tried tot each also, the yopunger geneartion wont do
None missionary converting any poor hindu to christian but this all faltu VHP people who do not have any love to poor people, they want their poor hindu be poor and pachat only forever they want they should be slave only, but missionary teach them and wants that poor people become something they are trying to become them educated them, because of uneducation, they are facing lot of problems and during this process they come to know about living GOD jesus, then there is nothing wrong about it, BUT badly VHP want to make this issues for getting VOT if they realy care of this people then they should start work which missionary is doing but NO they do not want to do that if they feel that in this country only hindu can stay then why they are preapre hindu mandir in other country? why they are going in other country and earn money why they do not want to work in INDIA only, so overall this all they are doing only for VOT
RE:Only for VOT
by italyseaayi on Dec 27, 2007 12:36 AM Permalink
Missionaries should start their conversion job in Pakistan as the poor and disease people their needs immediate attention. Mullahs are causing huge problem there. Please give them some money, rice, chappals, cloth so that they will get converted to christs. By doing so u are also solving the problem of terrorism.
RE:Only for VOT
by Sameer on Dec 27, 2007 03:05 AM Permalink
my dear, they are doing their job there also, and there also they are suffering, just think beyond that then you come to know
RE:jaishriram
by Confused Mind on Dec 27, 2007 12:29 AM Permalink
Confusion, terrorism, violence start with the mind -- the roots of which are in 'religion'. Unless the mind is cleared, and majority of people find clarity and purpose in life by pursuing knowledge and excelling in skills, and figuring out interdependent ways of coexistence, to develop their own -- body, mind, emotions, intellect, creativity & consciousness -- through art, science, research, technology, education, sports, films, music, athletics so on and so forth -- such time-wasting activities will going on and on. Saying that this religion stands for peace, that stands for equality, that stands for justice -- is just hallucination and fooling oneself. Most so-called religious people, suffer from poor self-concept and lead a miserable life and put it out on others as well in the name of self-righteousness and false ego. Hence, we need clarity of laws, uniform code, clear understanding of education, economics, employment, gender equality, unity of values.
