If you want to call yourself to be a master of Vedic philosophy then you have to study it from a Guru who is a Master of Vedic philosophy and same with all other subjects you have studied. You have studied all these under a so called 'rational' person aka guru who himself doesn't believe much in them. ... which itself is BASICALLY IRRATIONAL... all I can say is ... 'aise log bohoth bhole hain'
RE:dear JGN
by JGN on Dec 27, 2007 10:06 PM Permalink
Dear Pritish Nagaraj, we (atheists) atleast look at things in a more scientific way rather than believing in what was written/told by somebody hundreds of years back. We are ready to accept the truth if what we believe turns out to be wrong. The religious fanatics (of all hues) lack that mentality.
Btw, I have not seen/heard of any Research Institute stocking any Religious scriptures (the so-called holy books or revealations by the god thru his agents), not even in Saudi Arabia!
talking abt tribal area! i experienced even in metro city like mumbai. i met one xtian missionery who tears apart photos of all hindu gods, preaches that only christ will save u n other religions will not rescue u and what not. the preacher is paid heftily by churches. so if this is the situation in a metro, then imagine the cheating of uneducated tribal ppl going on in remote rural areas.
RE:conversion in tribal areas.
by john on Jan 10, 2008 10:52 AM Permalink
my teacher told that his friend went to south for the company survey, some people took him to a remote area that is jungle,after covering many a kilometer distance in the jungle he found there is a beautiful school,small hospital,and a beautiful church with basic facilites for the people. The point is this when the Govt. and other so-called patriotic hindu groups not providing this type of facilities to the people,when some provide to them,than these body become angry with the provider,these provider infuence the people with their work not with the money only.and people starts to convert their religion with their own will.Before that they have been brutalize by the Dharm Guru Like Pandit, These brutalism and ignorance of the Govt. motivate the people to convert for the sake of their right.
ppl say religion n nationality r two different things. further they say religion n conversion r personal belief of some1 to be followed in their own homes. but as a person ie by nationality, v r all indians. thus conversion of ppl from one religion to another does not affect our nationality. now the point is. think of jinnah who was hindu by birth. n he was misguided to convert himself into muslim. subsequently, he realised his mistakes n wanted to reconvert to his original hindu religion. but during that time, the hindu religious leaders did not allow him to reconvert him to hinduism. this frustrated jinnah to a great extent. he was then instrumental to the creation of state called pakistan in the name of religion. imagine if jinnah had been allowed to be converted back as hindu by the leaders then, the partition wud nt hv taken place. so ultimately change of religion led to change of nation and thus conversion and nationality r invariably related terms n cant b separated. so ban all the conversions.
RE:religious conversion and nationality.
by on Jan 18, 2008 01:02 PM Permalink
Who can convert any one. It is the inner decision one takes. If humann being is the hardware, the spirit of God can lead a person to the truth and the Truth shall set the person free. The re-conversion initiative by the Hindu fandamentalist will only bring anger on the nation. Have forgottern the cyclon and the earth quake? Let people live in freedom. What freedom do we have in India? Why cant one have freedom of faith and worship?
See what has happened at i) Nandigram - govt. sponsored cadres beating up innocence people, ii) At Orissa - churches are burnt during Christmas in the name of anti-conversion protest, iii) NGOs taking out processsions and rallies and threatning tourist with consequences, if they visit Goa, during New Year celebration and so on.
I can talk at length on these topics .. but all I say is your folks should stop being over-zealous, your american/australian Xians have already become atheists .. first you should catch hold of them so that you dont lose ground you see.
I was a student of Gloria Convent Girls High School Byculla, in Mumbai, this school is run by church & we where having one compulsory subject as Bible. Since I am Hindu I was reluctant to take this subject for which my parents and I contacted or principal and told that since we are Hindu we dont want Bible as a compulsory subject and I would prefer to take some other subject other than Bible but the principal of our school told me that rules are rules it cannot be changed for anyone & if I dont to take study Bible then I must quit the school & I want to continue in there school then I have to study Bible. So, this is very bad on the part of all Christians school run in India, they force you to learn Bible and you have to attained daily prayer in the Church and say there prayer. For me, Christians schools are slow poison for our society, they try to change the minds of all those children who take admission in Christian schools. This is my appeal to our Government please look into this case and stop teaching Bible & morning prayer in church of the school. Even I request RSS, VHP, BJP, SHIV SENA to please take action against Christian Missionary schools run in India.
RE:I was a student of Gloria Convent Girls High School Byculla
by Francis Louis on Dec 27, 2007 05:50 PM Permalink
Why r u trying to propagate this kind lie. Most of the english medium schools in Kolkata are run by Missionaries.
In every school, the non-christians are asked to take Moral Science, whereas Christians are asked to take Cathecism.
Its very surprising and pity that you make this kind of allegation about your own school, which has taught you how to read & write in English.
RE:RE:I was a student of Gloria Convent Girls High School Byculla
by Pritish Nagaraj on Dec 27, 2007 07:44 PM Permalink
I appeared for an entrance exam at St John's medical college in B'lore, in 94. The test covered the regular necessary subjects along with it there was one paper on Bible !!!!!
Well it was optional but can you name one non Xian eng/med institute which has either Bhagawad Gita or Koran as a paper in the entrance test???? ... dont you think you folks are being OVERZEALOUS???
RE:I was a student of Gloria Convent Girls High School Byculla
by john on Jan 10, 2008 11:00 AM Permalink
Dear Renu you request to Govt sponser Terrorist. I cant understand. Request to some genuine Ngos not to religion Hardliner
RE:I was a student of Gloria Convent Girls High School Byculla
by selah on Dec 27, 2007 04:06 PM Permalink
stdy bible ,vedas or quraan is not a problm. but compulsory praying is deferent case defenitly there should be protest against it
RE:RE:I was a student of Gloria Convent Girls High School Byculla
by JGN on Dec 27, 2007 04:03 PM Permalink
Dear Renu Sharma, I cannot fully believe what you say. My daughter had studied upto 10th std in a convent school (run by the famous Carmelite Sisters) and my son is studying in 6th std in a School run by the Francisian Brothers. They have not complelled them to study the Bible. I have read The Bible, The Koran, The Ramayana, The Mahabharata (the largest epic with more than 125000 stanzas)and parts of religous scrptures of many other religins on my own and still I am an atheist. So it is the individual reaction to a situation rather than some one imposing their faith on you.
RE:I was a student of Gloria Convent Girls High School Byculla
by Jivendra on Dec 27, 2007 04:14 PM Permalink
Dear JGN, My son studied in St. Gorges College Mussoorie.He was so cleverly approached that he converted to Christianity to please the ladies who wear white clocks.They sprinkled water on him and said now you are christian.These christians should not do this atleast to children of tender age.They inculcate a feeling of hatred even though indirectly most of the tiime,for Hindu gods and rituals.Going to church of the above school was compulsory for the boarding students.However it is not merely missionaries'fault.We get entrapped to their englishised environment which we like very much because this environment or living style belongs to our White rulers.Janata normally want to do what their masters or rulers do ,speak,wear
RE:RE:I was a student of Gloria Convent Girls High School Byculla
by JGN on Dec 27, 2007 04:18 PM Permalink
Dear Jivendra, as mentioned above, it is individual reacation and the policy of a few schools but all missionary schools are not compelling anyone to convert. Rather they are just teaching shops and their main aim is making money (no offence intended). Btw I have studied in Govt School (in vernacular medium)and Tech Institute and faced some difficulties in the first year (due to English being the medium) but I could still compete with Ango-Indian students from English Medium Schools and I don't consider inferior to the convent educated people in anyway!
RE:I was a student of Gloria Convent Girls High School Byculla
by Pritish Nagaraj on Dec 27, 2007 08:05 PM Permalink
If you want to call yourself to be a master of Vedic philosophy then you have to study it from a Guru who is a Master of Vedic philosophy and same with all other subjects you have studied. You have studied all these under a so called 'rational' person aka guru who himself doesn't believe much in them. ... which itself is BASICALLY IRRATIONAL... all I can say is ... 'aise log bohoth bhole hain'
RE:I was a student of Gloria Convent Girls High School Byculla
by Atheist on Dec 27, 2007 04:07 PM Permalink
Mr. JGN you obviously look like a well read man I am really surprised that you dont know about the influence of religion in USA. :-)
RE:I was a student of Gloria Convent Girls High School Byculla
by JGN on Dec 27, 2007 04:14 PM Permalink
Dear Atheist, though you are using ID as Atheist, you do not seem to be one. Just long on to the website of Postive Atheism and understand for yourself. Also read The Necessity of Atheism by Dr. D.M. Brooks available freely at Project Gutenberg. Also visit the web of Actual Freedom (this is an alternative to organized religions).
We (atheists) are doing our level best to get rid the world of religous dogmas. And we believe in neo-humanism!
RE:I was a student of Gloria Convent Girls High School Byculla
by Atheist on Dec 27, 2007 04:17 PM Permalink
I am an atheist alright but I dont want to promote atheism as a new religion. thats what you are trying to do. For me atheism is accepting things as they are. No matter how much u try there will be religions in this world. There is a need of reconciliation. There are lot of things that are irrational but we have learn to live with them.
RE:I was a student of Gloria Convent Girls High School Byculla
by JGN on Dec 27, 2007 04:41 PM Permalink
I do hate the religions but I don't have any hatred for the followers of any religion (that is the basic difference between an atheist and religious zealot).
And in any case humanity cannot come from just one individual (and god creating a companion for him thru surgery). Btw who had administered anstheisa to Adam while god conducted the surgery????????????
RE:I was a student of Gloria Convent Girls High School Byculla
by Atheist on Dec 27, 2007 04:32 PM Permalink
I think you have hate for religions. Atheism is about not hating things that exist around us. Not everything is rational. Even as an atheist I dont have an definitive answer to the creation of man. So till I have that I will be very cautious to make any tall claims about science.
RE:RE:I was a student of Gloria Convent Girls High School Byculla
by JGN on Dec 27, 2007 04:25 PM Permalink
>>>>>>>>>>>>promote atheism as a new religion .........atheism is not a new religion. We only try to make people understand the futility of the so-called holy books, religious dogmas, belief in god/gods, etc and encourage scientific temperament.
Btw have you seen any school book which says that human-being originated from Adam and Even or any research institute stocking the so-called holy books as a reference book??????
RE:I was a student of Gloria Convent Girls High School Byculla
by Confused Mind on Dec 27, 2007 04:23 PM Permalink
Check out the book: A Religion Called 'Human' (A Case for 'Positive' Secularism) on Amazon etc. You will find that the roots of ancient Indian philosophy which goes by the name Hinduism is actually purely secular, logical and universal.
RE:RE:I was a student of Gloria Convent Girls High School Byculla
by JGN on Dec 27, 2007 04:28 PM Permalink
Dear Confused Mind, there was nothing called Hinduism in ancient India. The name hindu was derived from river Sindhu and the Arabs used the same for describing those living in the vicinity of that river. Some ancient scriptures refer to our culture as "sanatan dharma" (I think even that was invented by the Arya Samaj)!
Of course there was civilized life in the Indian sub-continent when most of the other continents were still in the stone ages. But the Christians and Muslims feel offended if we refer to that. They want us to believe that before the arrival of Islamic invaders or the Colonial Masters, our fore-fathers were barbarians!!!!!!!!!!!!!
RE:I was a student of Gloria Convent Girls High School Byculla
by Atheist on Dec 27, 2007 04:04 PM Permalink
i dont think anyone is forced to study in these schools. infact people line up to get admissions to these schools. people are free to study in public schools. i studied in a convent too. No one ever talked about bible to me.
