RE:For thinking Hindus-See what Economist of UK says about Islam's pread
by balaord on Dec 24, 2007 09:17 PM Permalink
economist.com/books/displaystory.cfm?story_id=9433846
RE:RE:For thinking Hindus-See what Economist of UK says about Islam's pread
by balaord on Dec 24, 2007 09:19 PM Permalink
Read Oxford Historian's book "The Mughal Emperors And The Islamic Dynasties Of India"
Dont just go by the title-it is provocative and suggestive Islam may be not that good, but read the contents-This got published in Telegraph of UK telegraph.co.uk/arts/main.jhtml?xml=/arts/2007/08/30/borob126.xml
RE:For thinking Hindus-See what Economist of UK says about Islam's pread
by sanjay choudhry on Dec 24, 2007 09:21 PM Permalink
Instead of reading the crap some Goras write, it is better to read the books written by court historians of Aurangzeb, Alludin Khalji and Timur Lane as to how Islam spread. Primary sources carry more authority and are genuine material.
RE:RE:For thinking Hindus-See what Economist of UK says about Islam's pread
by balaord on Dec 24, 2007 09:24 PM Permalink
Ok then shall we discuss what Romila thapar has to say or Ramachandra Guha has to say?? Now you will brand them leftists?? Please understand, to day that Muslims ruled for 1000 years yet did immene damage to Hindus is infact a insult to your self respect?? How come a small minority ruled such a vast space for such a long time?
RE:RE:RE:RE:For thinking Hindus-See what Economist of UK says about Islam's pread
by sanjay choudhry on Dec 24, 2007 09:30 PM Permalink
The first invasion of Muslims to Indian heartland was in about 1192 by Ghuri. And for 300 years, they couldn't do anything but to rule a small area around Delhi. Vijayanagar empire halted their progress, along with Rajputs.
Marathas finally captured the Mughal emperor in 1732. When the British took Delhi, they took it from the Marathas in the Battle of Patparganj. The toothless blind emperor was getting a pension from the Marathas.
RE:RE:RE:For thinking Hindus-See what Economist of UK says about Islam's pread
by sanjay choudhry on Dec 24, 2007 09:27 PM Permalink
How nice that you want to rely on communists and leftists to understand Hindu history. By that token, you should read about what Ali Sina has to say about Islam. What is the problem in reading the court histories of Aurangzeb directly. Their English translation is available.
RE:For thinking Hindus-See what Economist of UK says about Islam's pread
by balaord on Dec 24, 2007 09:32 PM Permalink
Alisina - wow!! When i quote oxford historians , you counter them with AliSina?who exactly is this guy? Who is ALI Sina?what is his standing in academic community ? what is his real name? where is he now? why he is not willing to come for a Open debate? A person is so scared of Muslims that he is not even willing to reveal his homeload? This is the strength of his truth??? Contrast this with Muslims, who are ready to give up life for the sake of Islam.This is the strength of truth.
RE:RE:For thinking Hindus-See what Economist of UK says about Islam's pread
by sanjay choudhry on Dec 24, 2007 09:40 PM Permalink
How about salman Rushdie. Do you like him or no?
RE:For thinking Hindus-See what Economist of UK says about Islam's pread
by sanjay choudhry on Dec 24, 2007 09:39 PM Permalink
Ummm.... if you don't like Al Sina, maybe you will like Taslima Nasreen. Why don't you read what she writes about Islam. She is a Muslim herself.
RE:For thinking Hindus-See what Economist of UK says about Islam's pread
by for education on Dec 24, 2007 11:37 PM Permalink
Balaord - I have noted that a lot of research of this kind is sponsored by Saudi oil money, in much the same way that cigarette or pharma companies sponsor research which are favorable to them. One should also look at the money trail before believing things
RE:RE:For thinking Hindus-See what Economist of UK says about Islam's pread
by balaord on Dec 24, 2007 09:22 PM Permalink
howisthat - Are you serious that you hate very thing islamic??Then please know this The so called Modern Engineering's foundations were laid by Muslims.Now dont jump and show your arrogance. see the well respected time magazine crdditing the Muslim Al-Jazari as father of Modern enginerring time.com/time/specials/2007/article/0,28804,1677329_1677708_1677862,00.html
RE:RE:For thinking Hindus-See what Economist of UK says about Islam's pread
by sanjay choudhry on Dec 24, 2007 09:32 PM Permalink
Arabic numerals, known formally as Hindu-Arabic numerals, and also as Indian numerals, Hindu numerals, Western Arabic numerals, European numerals, or Western numerals, are the most common symbolic representation of numbers around the world. The Indian numerals system is commonly referred to in the West as Hindu-Arabic numeral system, since it reached Europe through the Arabs. They are considered an important milestone in the development of mathematics.
RE:For thinking Hindus-See what Economist of UK says about Islam's pread
by s b on Dec 24, 2007 11:46 PM Permalink
Balaord, I tend to be secularist and do not jump into religious debates. But list that you refer to (Greatest inventors)has 1 moslim and about 25 xtians. I do not see xtians jumping to prove a point. See, this is the difference, we all practically agree the leadership of Europe in modern science. I am a hindu and I do not feel defensive when I read their books, theories and ideas. That is called INCLUSIVENESS. The more we mingle and exchange ideas, the more we progress. Even Islam was progressive in its nascent stage. Arabia gave the world a lot of ideas, artistic and scientific.
However, later it closed its windows, stopped new ideas and EVEN persecuted new thoughts. When you do that even great civilizations die. China closed its door and from a world leader in science and technology it becam a nation tamed by Europians - imagine a country that invented gun powder and rockets - enslaved by people who just improved upon their own concept. The reason is that in China the ideas flowed outwards but inward flow was stopped.
Same thing happened in India. After numerous aggressions our ruling and religious class closed the civilization and one of the most modern nations of that time slipped into slavery.
The point is not whether muslims had Al Jazari. The point is even when they had him, they are in dark ages of engineering and science. This is because Islam's preachers do not want new ideas. They think they know the ultimate truth. There is no scope of reform in Islam.
B Raman's article is enlightening and made us proud to be a Hindu in every sense of the word. Proud to be a Hindu and openly head high shout "I am a Hindu"
Hello everyone, Not sure why there is so much confusion over hinduism which infact can be proved as mother of all religions. Every thing you find in Judaism, chistrianity, Islam, Buddhism already exists in Hinduism. Jews believe in god on the mountain(we have shiva medidating). When Jews left Egypt they followed bulls(as sacred as nandi). They dressed saffron had red dots on their foreheads. Cleary mentined in Genesis. They believe in holy couple of Abraham and sara(Brahma Saraswathi). Christianity very much came from Judaism. Jesus taught Buddhist principle of ahimsa for spirituality after getting trained propably from indian monks when he visited India. Dont get surprised 5 times prayer is hindu tradition Namaz is similar to Namah but only to the supreme. Allah is pre-islamic name of devine. 786 is very much OM pronounced when arabic alphabets fall in those places. No one invented anything. Buddha meditated as a hindu monk. WHen Adi Sankara travelled through out India and debated on philosophy none of the buddhist or Jains monks could defeat him. Ultimately what is written in upanishads is ultimate philosophy and hindu way of devotion is practiced in different ways in other religions. Then why criticise hinduism. Question yourself if not hinduism what is left? ofcourse nothing is left than darkness.
RE:Hinduism is mother of all religions
by You yourself on Dec 24, 2007 09:25 PM Permalink
Enough of this bullshit. We don't need to have anything to do with western (Jerusalem) so-called religions.
We, Hindus, should be proud of Shri Narender Modi. He represents totally opposite what has been denied to us for thousands of years by invaders: Musalmans, British and then commie/western-convert Nehru-clan. Moreover, our own blunders like caste system and alliegance to our languages added to our woes.
We're too proud and smart to be treated like third class citizens in our own country. Foreigners came here, converted locals and cut our lands using local converts. This is time to undo all this. Get united, grab power and get a top place on world scene which we ALL Hindus deserve.
it is good thing that hindu modi won against muslims.everybody justifies the killings of 2000 muslims on the ground theat centuries before muslims killed hindus,and they are the barbarians.if we hindus do the same to our fellow country men what is the difference between us and the old muslim barbarians...no we should not follow them we have to teach our tolerence and secularism to our indian muslim brothers..... and also we have to learn the good things of others..because we are not the old barbarians.
RE:Modi's victory
by Taklu Gandhi on Dec 25, 2007 06:18 AM Permalink
Viswa nath, "Gandhi saala mar gya muslamano ko samjhate samjhate". In this process, Gandhi sacrificed thousands of innocent Hindus (He didn't care because they were not his own children). But nothing happened. Now you can try the same thing.
RE:Modi's victory
by You yourself on Dec 24, 2007 09:27 PM Permalink
There is a difference between good destroying evil and the other way round. Don't equate us with muslas.
think you need to see the fact that this is not a hindu muslim issue but a muslim-non muslim issue..A muslim cannot stay with a non muslim in peace.. Malaysia,kashmir,chechnya,albania-bosnia,9/11,london,spain,australia,bali,israel,afhangistan,pakistan and the list goest on and on.. muslims are responsible for terrorism.. If muslims think this is hindu-muslim then they leave in a fools paradise..simple fact..muslims are hated by the world..period why? if muslims cant see it even now then we cant do anything. The pseudos by supporting muslims are automatically the enemies of hinduism & humanity..Because they are either hypocrites like the media or pure greedy like the politicians..Psecularism is quite clearly an outdated concept now if it means working against hindu identity..We hindus dont want india to be psecular anymore..muslims shall stay only if they appease the majority and not vice versa.. The current lot of hindus wont hesitate to say that you are our enemy until you reform
Also dont make the mistake of thinking these posts are from RSS which by the way is a great organization..India has a huge debt to pay RSS which has been responsible for uniting hindus like in no way before & by working selflessly during times of famines and floods for indians We educated younger lot are responsible for carrying the message of hinduism far and wide..and also to remove the last vestiges of casteism and other irrelevant practices..hinduism is great because we change with ti
Raman, Right on the mark. Asserting Hindu identity is not communalist. Hindus are the most secular people by nature of Hindu religion. We are sick and tired of this securalists. Thanks for the article and good analysis.
Islamic civilization has nothing to do with militant islam. Most of the Islamic scholars were the sufi-saints, ahemedias, etc. Not the kind of Osama Bin Laden!
Btw through other countries had numbering system, the decimal system was unique to India.
The period of Chandra Gupta Maurya is called the "Golden Period" of Indian History and that pre-dates even Christianity. There is no political treatise equivalent to Chanakya's Artha Sasthra anywhere in the world.
Why do the muslims and christians get offended when it is a historical fact that the Indian sub-continent had a civilized life when most of the other continents were still in the stone age? You people also have equal rights for the culture and civilization of India. So don't get offended.
RE:@ balaord,
by on Dec 24, 2007 11:26 PM Permalink
True Islamic lies!Do a google search on The Violent Truth Behind The Sufi Mask and one can what the bloody murderous sufis were upto? Next target must be nagore and ajmer after Ayodhya
