This article must have started some waves all over the world .But, what remains intact is the pseudo secularism in all educated lot.I would like to ask all those who have written messages , including me to ask themselves , "have I voted for all/ even one of the elections in my constituency . The answer will be a big "NO" .We write a lot , talk a lot ,amongst us about this . But , when it comes to action, all of us say - who will take the risk, I am not well today, I have an urgent work today , my wife says no, office work ,so on and so forth .There are people who have not voted for the first time , even if their age is crosing 40 .Even they think that voter card should come to their home , with out even registering thier name in their wards .If we are expecting the governmental agencies to do their duties ,have we done ours ? is the thing . I would like Mr RAMAN to write such article , to break the ice in the minds of people to come forward and vote , get the id card right today .I would request Mr Raman to write some articles on Pseudo patriotism in the educated lot of our country .A series of such articles and how to get your voter id card , dos and donts , if eloborated , this lot will cast their votes and help India to prosper in all directions. In kannada a well known poet Dr Shivarudrappa has said in a poem "mukha mukhavu mukhavadava hotthu ninta hagide". (each face is having a mask ), This mask has ruined our rich heritage , culture and values . krs
RE:Why Modi appeals to Hindus . by sanjeev
by Indian Indian on Jan 07, 2008 07:11 PM Permalink
Excellent comments on the article.. It is NECESSARY that we come out and vote on the day of elections, instead of finding excuses, and then cribbing that Hindus have become second class citizens in their own mother land.
I would like to add one more thing: It is not enough it you vote against the communal Congress and communal Communists (both parties vying with each other in dividing the country along religious lines in one way or the other every day).. It is ALSO ESSENTIAL TO EDUCATE AND INFORM EVERY ONE AROUND YOU (like your relatives, friends and the ill-informed people from the lower strata of society), and exhort them to come out and vote... THAT IS THE ONLY WAY TO THROW OUT CONGRESS AND COMMUNISTS, WHO KEEP DIVIDING INDIANS INTO HINDUS AND MUSLIM/CHRISTIANS..
RE:Why Modi appeals to Hindus . by sanjeev
by Bhakar Chatopadyaya on Jan 12, 2008 07:24 AM Permalink
It was bjp and advanis ratha yathra which divided the country on communal lines. And then modi gave his finishing touches in godhra!
Great article.. I too hope that Hindus in India will get back their due place.. that they will become equal to other religions and not second class citizens in their own mother land, just because Congress and communists want muslim votes and so would support islam terrorism or superior treatment to muslims/christians.. Let all religions be equal in India.. Let Hindus be able to say "Hindu Enru Chollada, Talai Nimirndu Nillada (Say You Are A Hindu, Hold Your Head High)".. Without affecting the other religions, who should also continue to be proud of their own religions (BUT, PLEASE, PLEASE, THIS CANNOT HAPPEN, UNLESS ONE MORE BASIC PROBLEM IS ALSO SOLVED.. MUSLIMS AND CHRISTIANS SHOULD STOP INTERPRETING THE 'FREEDOM TO PRACTISE RELIGION' AS 'FREEDOM TO KEEP POKING AT HINDUS AND ASKING THEM TO CONVERT BY SHOWING MONEY, POWER, COERCION, JOBS, MARRIAGE, POVERTY HELP, PSEUDO-SOCIAL-SERVICE (i.e, social service with the ulterior motive of conversion), ETC. IF NECESSARY, THE CONSTITUTION SHOULD BE AMENDED TO MAKE IT CLEAR, "FREEDOM OF ONE RELIGION ENDS WHEN THE NOSE OF ANOTHER RELIGION BEGINS".. JAI HIND!
Hindu Enru Chollada, Talai Nimirndu Nillada (Say You Are A Hindu, Hold Your Head High)
Ancient spiritual belief further had it that a person who suffered misfortune or overly suffered from the human instinctual passions of fear and aggression was 'possessed' by bad or evil spirits. Relief was sought by offering sacrifice or avowing servitude to the mythical good spirits or Gods in return for favours, forgiveness, redemption and salvation, if not now then in an imaginary life-after-death.
Each tribe has, over millennia, formalized its own particular religion based on these ancient words, traditions, fears, superstitions and eccentric fairy tales.
Shamans, priests and God-men soon laid claim to be the earthly representatives of these mythical 'other- worldly spirits and Gods and, as such, their words and deeds were taken to be sacred and inviolate.
Thus the shamans, priests and God-men came to wield enormous power and influence, for to dare to question them was to provoke the evil spirits, incur the wrath of the Gods and ultimately deny oneself the chance of salvation in an imagined future life-after-death.
RE:Spiritual beliefs
by on Jan 06, 2008 03:02 PM Permalink
Nice story! May even be true to certain tribes. But Sanatana Dharma or Hinduism as it is popularly known is different. The conclusions reached by the Vedas have sound Philosophical backing unlike other relgions. Sanatana Dharma has given us great logicial, philosopher saints like Sri Ramanujacharya, Sri Madhvacharya, Sri Jiva Goswami (to name a few) who have successfully defended all their beliefs. Any conclusion or understanding of the Vedas had been highly debated before being accepted unlike other religions.
congs still live in british era and practice the same culture. Take out the pages of history and see who divided our country before and after independence. If the likes of Thackerey and Modi (plz dont compare together)arent there, Mumbai would have been a part of Bangladesh and Gujrat the center of corruption for congs.
Those 'pseudosecularist' are HIAJADS. [Third Persons] What Lord Krishna said to KARNA [When he was in trouble and Arjuna was to kill him] - Radhaa Suta where was your religion when you had misbehaved with DRAUPADI? Pseudoseculars should read GEETA thoroughly.
RE:HINDU MINDSET
by aceventura on Jan 06, 2008 09:27 AM Permalink
Hinduism was never a religion. It was a social order. Hindutva is not about hinduism its about looking at the world in a particular way that some people think is Indian. Hinduism or paganism existed all the way from arabaia to the northern tip of australia. Geo-political and religious changes occur over a period of hundreds of years. So in the past few hundred years hinduism has been limited to a very small land mass in the world. It has been on the decline from hundreds of years and its still declining because hinduism does not offer an ideology. The best arguments made by hindus is that Xians are evil, Islam is evil and thats why you should be hindu. :-) Well this wont stop the decline of hinduism. One has to accept that hinduism is on its last leg after a marathon run of thousands of years. How many of you think that hinduism would be dominant religion after 100 years in India ? No one. Its a constant process of messages conveyed by way of media that will change the way a common indian thinks.
RE:RE:HINDU MINDSET
by on Jan 06, 2008 03:16 PM Permalink
>>The best arguments made by hindus is that >>Xians are evil, Islam is evil and thats why >>you should be hindu. :-)
Some arguments why Hinduism is better than Christianity. 1. We don't believe the world is 6000 years old 2. Christianity/Islam can't account for God being fair with so much misery around. 3. It is so illogical that the whole of humanity has to suffer just because Adam and Eve committed a sin (eating the apple of Knowledge is sinful...interesting) 4. They say the Christian God is all good yet sends people to eternal Hell. 5. Christianity/Islam results in environmental exploitation because they believe the whole world exists to feed humanity, unlike Hindus who see themselves no more than care takers of the environment (and definitely not as enjoyers)
RE:HINDU MINDSET
by shaan on Jan 06, 2008 04:37 PM Permalink
Some argument why your are still fool :
1. The figures is for representation to let you understand that its been created by one n only GOD not many gods. Can you proof that world is not 6000 yrs old? Can you proof that your stated figure of world's age is right? 2. Don't talk about GOD? You cant understand him untill he himself wills you to be on right path. Ironic is the people who doesnt have God is commenting on this philosophy. Tell me who is GOD of yours, a man born of womb or a man who has fought only to save her wife and later discarded her to the death. Do you consider him a GOD who gives birth to an animal, or do you consider your GOD is allowed to peep women when they take bath. Come on ma learn Islam for the definition of true GOD. 3. the events of Adams and Eve has been recorded only to teach humankind to follow the right path and go astray coz of any lust or desire. the teaching of that event any one including a prophet can be punished if he/she disregard the God's nature and order. 4. Islam says human being will be judged by his action not by the cast, creed, wealth or the worldly gain. 5. dont you think cremating the dead body is not polluting the air. Come on man!!! Do you know your religion well? Even your forefather eats animals. Islam believes in a natural cycle and restricts people not to transgress. Islam has given the permission to you to eat everything except what is not allowed to eat and puts limitation on the consumptions too. regards,
RE:RE:HINDU MINDSET
by JGN on Jan 06, 2008 08:53 PM Permalink
If cremating body pollutes air, burying the same contaminates ground water. At present electric and gas crematorioums are being constructed by the local self-governments and are much better than the other methods of disposal of bodies! This will also put an end to the perennial shortage of burial grounds in large cities.
Why you people cannot grow out of 7th century Arabia? And we have been hearing about the "Day of Judgement" for more than 1400 years now. Nothing of that sort will happen for millions of years to come. And don't dream of all availaing the river filled with wine or the huries in heaven so soon!!!!!!!!!!!!
RE:RE:RE:HINDU MINDSET
by Ismail Sayyed on Jan 07, 2008 03:31 PM Permalink
We are happy with it, and we have progressed and have peace of mind with 7th century mentality, we don't take sleeping tablets. The problem is that You Hindus are very hypocrites. When it comes to show the mirror to your community then you try to establish alibis. And you will never spare to insult Muslims because you cannot think of anything but muslims, their flaws, jihad etc etc. It haunts your day and night. Come out of it. I wish you had not graduated from the filthy RSS Shakha, where your mind was poisoned against Muslims. Where you were not taught to worship Hitler.
RE:RE:RE:HINDU MINDSET
by Ismail Sayyed on Jan 07, 2008 03:27 PM Permalink
I'm ready to follow Hinduism. Please tell me "How do I become Hindu"??? Tell me in which caste do I join. How can I become brahmin????Which idol should I worship??
RE:HINDU MINDSET
by Ismail Sayyed on Jan 07, 2008 03:44 PM Permalink
Question: Why do muslims bury dead bodies instead of cremating them, i.e. Burning them? Answer: 1. Components of human body present in the soil elements that are present in the human body are present in lesser or greater quantity in the soil. Hence it is more scientific to bury a dead body, as it easily gets decomposed and mixed in the soil.
2. No pollution cremating (burning) the dead body leads to pollution of the atmosphere which is detrimental to health and harmful for the environment. There is no such pollution caused by burying a dead body.
3. Surrounding land becomes fertile to cremate a dead body several trees have to be chopped, which reduces the greenery and harms the environment and the ecology. When dead bodies are buried, besides the trees being saved, the surrounding land becomes fertile and it improves the environment.
4. Economical it is expensive to cremate a dead body when tons of wood have to be burned. Annually there is a loss of crores of rupees, only because dead bodies are cremated in india. Burying dead bodies is very cheap. It hardly costs any money.
5. Same land can be utilised for burying another body the wood used for cremating a dead body cannot be reutilised for cremating another dead body since it gets converted to ashes. The land used for burying a dead body can be reutilised for burying another body after a few years since the human body gets decomposed and mixed in the soil.
RE:RE:HINDU MINDSET
by on Jan 06, 2008 03:17 PM Permalink
>>The best arguments made by hindus is that Xians >>are evil, Islam is evil and thats why you should >>be hindu. :-)
Some arguments why Hinduism is better than Christianity. 1. We don't believe the world is 6000 years old 2. Christianity/Islam can't account for God being fair with so much misery around. 3. It is so illogical that the whole of humanity has to suffer just because Adam and Eve committed a sin (eating the apple of Knowledge is sinful...interesting) 4. They say the Christian God is all good yet sends people to eternal Hell. 5. Christianity/Islam results in environmental exploitation because they believe the whole world exists to feed humanity, unlike Hindus who see themselves no more than care takers of the environment (and definitely not as enjoyers)
RE:HINDU MINDSET
by for education on Jan 08, 2008 07:46 AM Permalink
To Ismail Sayyed, With electric creatorium - you do not need wood, nor do you need land. In fact in Europe and America there are a lot of crematoriums.
RE:HINDU MINDSET
by human on Jan 07, 2008 07:19 PM Permalink
World over commercialism counquered every religion. Let us not debate about the vedas and upanishads of hindus which is beyond our understanding and mostly misinterpreted while we try. But Some of the basic facts in religions
Christianity - As per jewish and christian thinking there blood transfusion not allowed. Tell us who started blood transfusion in the modern era. Most of the allopathy has emanated from western world dominated by xians. Tell us how many true christian are dieing following this??
Islam - As per islam no interest should be payed or earned on money. Show us which muslim country follows strictly. how do they run profitable businesses then??
Hinduism - Some of the vedas tell how the brahmins, who were given elite status given their purified life (in those ages), should live and preach and practice dharma. Similar is the case for Kings. We know well how much of these followed in Mahabaratha times. Not all hindus follow dharma.
Finally, most of indians of any religion talk about only Ramayan and mahabharat for the simple reason that they are quite popular and comes easy for other religions to negate hindu religion. But hindu religion is much beyond and above these epics. The epics elaborated mirroring human characterstics and tendencies very well ... be it goodness, lust for power and women, wealth, worship, dharmas (right / wrong). Dont we see all of those kinda people even today ?? Are we living in ideal world.
RE:HINDU MINDSET
by JGN on Jan 06, 2008 12:15 PM Permalink
Why you cannot think beyond the narrow concepts of caste, creed, colour or religion? A hundred years from time, there won't be any religion. Already more than 15% of world's poplation are irreligious atheists. In many European and American Countries many Christians do not go to Chruches now. Similaryly a good portion of hindus in India do not go to temples any more nor do they offer any kind of worships.
RE:RE:HINDU MINDSET
by on Jan 06, 2008 03:08 PM Permalink
Atheism is not new ! It has been there even during the time of the Vedas. And the Vedantins have successfully defended their philosophy before and can do it in the future too. Please don't compare Christianity with Sanatana Dharma, Chistianity has no solid philosophical foundation like Sanatana Dharma.
RE:HINDU MINDSET
by Aditya on Jan 06, 2008 03:37 PM Permalink
"The best arguments made by hindus is that Xians are evil, Islam is evil and thats why you should be hindu. :-)"
These are not just the best arguments but true arguments. Look how much death and misery chrisitianity and islam have caused. Hinduism, being 5000 yrs old, is older than both of those religions (in fact older than both put together), yet it has caused less than 0.1% as much killing as islam and christianity have. Muslims and christians have run around tryign to conquer the world and force their mania upon people.. how is this not evil??
"Well this wont stop the decline of hinduism. One has to accept that hinduism is on its last leg after a marathon run of thousands of years"
As I said, hinduism has been around far longer than either islam or christianity, and that is despite the fact that muslims and christians have tried their best to convert hindus and killed millions of hindus and forced their religions upon them. Hinduism will outlive christianity and islam simply because it does not claiim to be the word of god, and everything is open to debate. Logic always prevails, and if you think hindus are moving away from hinduism then you have obviously not noticed how many christians are moving away from christianity and how many muslism today are embracing secular ideals and expressing shame at the history of islam.
RE:HINDU MINDSET
by RightSaid Fred on Jan 06, 2008 07:02 PM Permalink
According to the Mahabharata, during the war between Pandavas and Kauravas, 'millions' were killed! According to some of your so-called experts, Nuclear warfare was invented during the Mahabharata age. Hindu 'mythology' is full of war, deceit, bribery, lust, power and evil. Mahabharata is about Power struggle, not dharma. How else you you explain Duryodhana enjoying the fruits of heaven and Pandava brothers (except the eldest) tasting hell? Anyway, saffron hued mongrels are quick to point about Islamic heaven (and 72 virgins) but conveniently forget about Rambha, Urvashi and Menaka! Read your scriptures before pointing fingers at others.
RE:HINDU MINDSET
by JGN on Jan 06, 2008 08:47 PM Permalink
Mahabharata and Ramayana are epics (stories). It is foolishness to compare historical facts with what is written in a story. No hindu mythology says that if you die for the cause of "bhagwan" you will get rewards in the heaven. Urvashi, Menaka and Rambha were celestrial dancers and are meant for donating to the jihadis as a reward. Pl search for X-Rated Paradise of Islam and find out what all hae the merciful Allah have kept ready for the "believers" !!!!!!!!!
RE:RE:HINDU MINDSET
by JGN on Jan 06, 2008 08:56 PM Permalink
Pl read .......Urvashi, Menaka and Rambha were celestrial dancers and are NOT meant for donating to the jihadis as a reward..........TYPO ERROR
RE:HINDU MINDSET
by Ismail Sayyed on Jan 07, 2008 03:25 PM Permalink
If enemies of Islam understood the Islam in their deep sense, then how can they survive without indulging in THEIR FAVOURITE ACTS?
Impossible Task. Please help them to live on as they live now. LET THEM HEAP TRUCK LOADS OF RUBBISH on MUSLIMS,ISLAM, MOHAMMED and ALLAH. They cannot succeed in their evil designs.
BECAUSE GOD IS ALWAYS GREAT. LET US PRAY ALMIGHTY GOD TO CLEANSE THEIR DIRTY MINDS, EVEN THAT MAY TAKE A LONG TIME. TRUTH ALWAYS TRIUMPS.
SABKO SANMATI DE BHAGWAN. For people Like JGN,Only Money is God.. U Ppl are Hypocrites.. money is Your god. U can worship any one just for the sake of money. Please educate yourself and try to attain a broader view on things, reducing things to a one-dimensional analysis is pitiful..
Educated and elite Indian Hindus have started to engage in a rationalization exercise to excuse Modi actions saying that what he did was indeed right, as clearly seen by his electoral wins. Democracy does not mean majority prevails all the time. It means it prevails as long as you stick to legal methods as provisioned by Indian Constitution and legal code. When you subvert them, even your electoral wins have to be trashed to uphold the law of the land. Indian Hindus have gone blind in their hatred for Muslims. So much so that, they are not only ready to excuse Modi of his crimes, they are ready to hail him as their leader. And thats when I start fearing the trends and ask myself- How long before we become completely fascist?
RE:India Going Fascist!!
by on Jan 06, 2008 03:40 PM Permalink
I am no big fan of Modi, if he is responsible in any way for the death of innocent people he should be tried in court and sent to jail. What is stopping these 'pseudo secularists' from doing so? ...they have their govt at the center let them try him in the court of law and let the court decide who is guilty and who is not ? But you can't deny the facts that Raman has presented about his good governance. So please stop making such noises until Modi has been proved guilty in the court of law.
According to Gauri Advani(Daughter-in-law of L.K.Advani), on or around November 28, 1991, an application was moved in the Supreme Court seeking permission to carry out a symbolic kar seva in Ayodhya. Anticipating favourable orders from the Supreme Court, Advani decided to start another rath yatra from Varanasi to mobilise kar sevaks, Gauri said she and Advani wife Kamala accompanied Advani to Lucknow on the morning of November 30, 1992, when all of them left for Varanasi.Before the start of the rath yatra (on December 1, 1992), Shri Vinay Katiyar came to meet Shri L. K. Advani. The applicant (Gauri) was also present in this meeting. It was in this meeting Shri L. K. Advani and Shri Vinay Katiyar, in the presence of the applicant, conspired to demolish the Babri mosque. Shri L. K. Advani told Shri Vinay Katiyar that the ultimate aim of the Rath yatra... is not only to do kar seva and appease Hindu sentiment but also to garner votes and come to power at the Centre, Gauri said in her application, alleging that Advani told Katiyar that, the movement to build the Ram Temple at Babri mosque had to be taken to its logical end, i.e. coming to power at the Centre, and that would not be possible without demolishing the Babri mosque as that will unite the Hindu vote bank in favour of the BJP. Source-Mumbai based MID DAY, in its edition of Saturday January 12, 2002..
Very well said and articulated. The trouble is we have made HIPOCRYCY as a national pastime & art & some of our greatest Leaders had followed it. It is high time we discarded it & be honest.
I am in full agreement with Mr. Raman. Indian electorate is matured enough to make the right judgement and to chose the right leader. Whatever the amount of mud slinging by these so called secularists failed to impresse the knowlegable voters. It is the time for the political parties to practice real secularism, that is admitting that country is above all the communities and castes and all round development of the country only can get them power. Then surely India will shine than ever. Hope our leaders will learn a lesson from gujarat experience
