# I agree completely with Raman on his analysis # Mr Modi will win because - his development efforts - In this world everybody is turning offensive be it Muslims by underocvering Jehad or Christians in the name of power as US or Europe. So hindu comuunity who has been under severe attack from Muslims and other communities for so many centuries becauuse of their defensive nature, see Modi has a hard hitting man who can lead Hindus. Thats why they vote for him - if Modi becomes a natioanl leader he might become a PM That does not mean Muslims will be unsafe but that means do not do any "pungaas" in india else you might be unsafe.
In an excellent analysis of Gujarat elections Mr. Raman quotes a female TV anchor who thinks that winning the votes millions of Gujaratis is nothing in comparison to getting a visa to UK or USA. That is absolutely PATHETIC. If Mr. Modi gives a big business contract to a US or UK corporation overnight he will get a visa. Plenty of ex-nazis, crooks and criminals have managed to get US visa and even citizenship, so denial of that is not a big blot on the character of Mr.Modi. It is these so called secularists abject hatred of what Modi stands for has made the normally peaceful Gujaratis and perceived as docile by many to take time from their business/work etc come out in big numbers to Modi into power for third time. Rather than do soul searching for the causes of defeat of congress and be gracious in defeat these critics of Modi seem to be baffled and stunned as to how their delusional vision of what the Gujarati popular vote ought to have been and what it turned out to be. That is amazing as most delusional states are.
I request all indian secularists to do a research on Bible and Quran . If these 2 books sound secular, indian secularism makes sense. Else, Indian secularism is a joke.
RE:Research Bible and Quran
by Ekalavya Krishnan on Dec 27, 2007 07:29 AM Permalink
You are bang on target. Rupert Hughes book "Why I quit going to Church" and a apostate Pakistani Anwar Sheik's autobiography can be the starting point. Ram Swarup has written a book Islam through Hadis- Religious faith or fanaticism. This book was sought to be banned by the Deobandi school of Indian terrorists but the Supreme Court of India rejected it, advising Ram Swarup to remove certain portions like the one on Qibla direction was originally towards jeusalem could not be substantiated by many reference etc. So the Supreme court held that his published work was indisputable. Hence please use it as a reference. Censors with shaky knees on this board should not be afraid of any fatwa
RE:Research Bible and Quran
by Ekalavya Krishnan on Dec 27, 2007 07:31 AM Permalink
Books are available online free for reading- a noble cause indeed to reveal the cults
RE:Research Bible and Quran
by Ekalavya Krishnan on Dec 27, 2007 07:45 AM Permalink
In the quran Mohd talks thus ""...And a route he followed, until when he reached the setting of the sun, he found it to set in a miry fount; and hard by he found a people...Then followed he a route until when he reached the rising of the sun he found it to rise on a people to whom we had given no shelter from it." (Sura 18:83-89). but is this not similar to Iliad, Book 7, 421-423; Iliad, Book 8, 484-486 and Iliad, Book 18, 239-242?
Sura 18:85-86 "One (such) way he [Zul-qarnain] followed, until, when he reached the setting of the sun, he found it set in a spring of murky water: near it he found a people: We [Allah] said: %u2018O Zul-qarnain! (Thou hast authority,) either to punish them, or to treat them with kindness." "Murky" has also been translated as "muddy" and "black". "spring of %u2026 water" has also been translated as "spring". M.H. Skahir translates this as "black sea".
Conclusion: The Qur%u2019an teaches the following:
The earth is flat, spread out like a carpet and pegged flat by mountains
The sun has a defined path through the day, then sets in a muddy/murky spring and goes to Allah%u2019s throne.
The sun then rises at a specific spot
Except for five "retrograde stars" (planets), the stars are hung like lamps.
Mohammed taught early Muslims this as a literal truth, not just a metaphor or simile.
RE:Research Bible and Quran
by Ekalavya Krishnan on Dec 27, 2007 08:44 AM Permalink
The Xian censor on this board is refusing to allow reproduction of Biblical passages to prove that Biblical claims on flat earth
RE:RE:Research Bible and Quran
by Ekalavya Krishnan on Dec 27, 2007 08:48 AM Permalink
are passages like these false abisha please reply? Job 26:7 has also been cited as proof that the writer of this book knew that the earth was a sphere: "He stretcheth out the north over the empty place and hangeth the earth upon nothing." An NAB footnote at this verse says, "The North: used here as a synonym for the firmament, cf. Is. 14:13," (emphasis inserted). Thus, we read, "He stretches out the dome (firmament) over the empty space." In other words, the dome was unsupported in the middle. The reference in Isaiah 14:13 says, "You (King of Babylon) were determined to climb up to heaven and place your throne above the highest stars (see the graphics). You thought you would sit like a king on that mountain in the north where the gods assemble." The "north" was indeed used as a synonym for the heavens or firmament, so the passage was actually speaking of a "mountain in the heavens where the gods assemble."
"He... hangeth the earth upon nothing" simply expressed a Hebrew belief that the flat earth, although supported by pillars, did not rest on the back of Atlas or a turtle or an elephant, as their pagan neighbors believed. In this Job was right but not because he was inspired; otherwise, he wouldn't have said in the same context, "The pillars of the heavens tremble and are stunned at his thunderous rebuke," (26:11). He thought the thunder was God's voice!
ALL PEOPLE ARE EQUAL BEFORE GOD.after some years when Modi dies he may go to hell or heaven.there won't be a VIP pass for him to go to heaven saying that he was a VIP on earth.a very popular&rich person on earth will be a pauper&unknown person in heaven. so we can say that politics is making people more alert of the good old religion& inequality.
RE:religion
by Ekalavya Krishnan on Dec 27, 2007 07:56 AM Permalink
Stupid there is nothing like a heaven or hell . These are concepts created by hired prayer makers to chain you fools into that evil cult. Let's for a moment assume these cruel Jehovah's concepts as shown in the unholy book are right. Cain the first murdere on earth is still enjoying the "fruits"(is it of the Islamic kind, houris and pearl like boys?) of heaven but say that this jealous cruel Jehovah calls it a day and announces that the day of Judgement is tomorrow for some Oriisa's hero (indias Pride) Dara Singh has shot dead the Pope. As per the unholy book Cain the first murderer and the last murderer gets the same judgement but what about the Cain's enjoyment of the houri filled heaven for 4004 plus 2007 years. Is not Dara Singh denied justice by that cruel unjust Jehovah?
An excellent eye opening article by Mr. Raman. I wished he had written such a convincing piece before the elections. But the people there knew the reasons. Kudoes for coming out with the truth.
RE:Who is an Extremist
by krishna kumar sinha on Dec 26, 2007 05:31 PM Permalink
what else can be expected from persons like Mr. Hansoti who shelters the anti-nationals indulging in explosions at Aksherdham and can not see the people's progress in Gujrat under the leadership of Modi. His cherished leader Mr. Bin Laden can not bring any progress anywhere.
So long as Hindus are considered as second grade citizens in their own country, no hindu person in any other part of the world can expect safe & better environment. Modi has gifted hindus a sense of pride in their identity. Pseudo-secularists have always tried to make hindus feel ashamed of their religion. Indian Hindus are in need of more protection than others.
