i read some people are telling that modi never visit dargah, but can you tell me any muslims visitng any temple in a good mind(except for attacking and keeping bombs), i you agreed with this then we can accept abt modis visit also.
RE:what is the need to modi to visit dargah
by loler Chicken on Dec 24, 2007 01:13 AM Permalink
dargah mein jaane se dargah ki dharti pavitra ho jayegi ... samjhe bache?
RE:WHY MODI IS RIGHT AND MUSLIMS WRONG.
by Socratis on Dec 24, 2007 12:44 AM Permalink
First of, people in India converted to Muslim, Christian, Jainism or Budhism becuase of caste system. Imagine condition of harijan, dalits and other in pre-independent India. Instead of preaching muslim, it will be much better that we do something about the caste system, which many carry in their minds.
RE:WHY MODI IS RIGHT AND MUSLIMS WRONG.
by sunaina hameed on Dec 24, 2007 01:23 AM Permalink
lets just cease being a democracy. today its the muslims, tomorrow u will expect other minorities to hand over their religious structures and symbols to you and become hindu to live in peace??
im a muslim. maybe you are not aware, but i can tell you that there are many like-minded like me who laugh over fatwas! nobody picks up a sword and runs off to fulfill a fatwa! same goes for jehad. we dont just listen to our mullahs you know. we DO read the Koran and understand the times and context under which the Islamic wars for fought. even your scriptures talk about wars between good and evil. the Rams v/s Raavan and the Pandavs v/s Kauravas. You will be interested to know, that just like the wars YOUR Gods/Heroes fought, Koran too states that in jehad, women, children and the old are not 2 b attacked, we do not attack from the back and we show mercy on those who surrender. the Prophet also spared those prisoners who educated the illeterate arabs. you dont have to be born a muslim to have the brains to understand that martyr is one who does not kill rather is willing to die for his beliefs. Suicide bombing some housewives in a busy marker area is NOT religion, its terrorism and most muslims understand the difference. when Islam condemns suicide, the very concept of the suicide bombing jehadi is anti-Islamic. plz understand the religion (this msg is to ignorant muslims as well) b4 attacking the people
RE:RE:WHY MODI IS RIGHT AND MUSLIMS WRONG.
by Nihit Saxena on Dec 24, 2007 01:54 AM Permalink
Good to hear a well composed reply to the arrogant message! Keep it up ms hameed.
RE:WHY MODI IS RIGHT AND MUSLIMS WRONG.
by raj kumar on Dec 24, 2007 02:42 AM Permalink
hey sunaina you might not be listening to your mullahs but many are. and tell me what have you truely done to stop such mullahs instead of blogging at 2 in the night desparately trying to convince people of islam's message of love and peace. so next time if your mullah says something like that don't just laugh at the guy and post messages but actually do something about it before narendra modi gets him. ha ha ha.
RE:WHY MODI IS RIGHT AND MUSLIMS WRONG.
by Pratap Sahu on Dec 24, 2007 02:28 AM Permalink
Dear Sunaina, I do care for the feeling you have for ur religion. Even I found about singha's article is about emotion. But let us come to the facts. It is the not the fault of muslim's and hindu's to get emotional. Rather it is the moolah's who rule our mind. Even though Koran says so many good things, other than prophet no body else obeyed the real rule of war. Muslim Rulers/Organisations (i.e. Al-Queda) always misleaded the general public by the name of JIhad. Even though you laugh about something, can you find a solution for the complete freedom for writers like Taslima Nasreen and Salman Rushdie? Can you say why there was no solution for Shah Bano Case? Don't you think the the age old shahriat does not fit to the modern world. You may be educated enough to understand this. But most of the muslim kids are taught about the misleading Jihadi teachings. Some of the Kashmir Leaders don't dare to say anything about militant attacks. But feel free to say about the Defence of Indian Government. Do you know before partition 30% of government employees were muslims. And Per capita Income of Pakistan was better than India. But what is the case you know better. It is due to the lack of education and hatrade. Here in India whatever the religion may be they are Indians. So as a real Indian we should think about OUR BROTHERHOOD, not who won or who defeated. I firmly believe it is few of the Hindu and Muslim leaders who are responsible for the partition. But we should not be mentally p
RE:RE:WHY MODI IS RIGHT AND MUSLIMS WRONG.
by raj on Dec 24, 2007 01:52 AM Permalink
sad state of affair!! this tit for tat messages wont get anyone anywhere except spewing hatred and grief!! A true beleiver of either relgion Muslims / Hindus or rather tue believer of any religion will find some where in their respective holy scipture to tolerate and respect other beliefs though the methodloly of tolerance may vary!!! History is a product of time of diffrent compulsions and potical and moral era , there has been evil deeds done by peple of all beliefs and so too acts of tolerance and honour, its only where you want to look , or rather what cases you want to bring foth to ephasis your pont of view !! basically what stand you wanna take on an issue !! good bad saints prophets evill treacherous people are their in all societies and religion they are only victims or heroes of circumstances & time.
RE:WHY MODI IS RIGHT AND MUSLIMS WRONG.
by raj on Dec 24, 2007 01:27 AM Permalink
hei where are those so called modis are they hiding behind the wings or waiting in the wings!!! Come on the issue is question of belief Mulims religion storngest point is the unity of belief which translates into universal feeling of brother hood and one ness,this strict adherence to Koran (PUH) commonality in worship, celeberation and practise makes them united and it has to be appreciated. (To expect them to be tolerant the hindu way is unreasonable.) Our religion (Hindus) preach and practise diversity and tolerance eventhough it has its own advantages it also come with grave shortcommings - like lack of unity , castism and intra religion rivalry, the so called tolerance and freedom of choice the other side of the same coin is lack of firm faith , obsification and incoherence - diversity with rivalry, a true hindu should be tolerant and try to apprciate even the most bigot practise in any religion whether among hindus muslims atheist / agnost etc as all are allowed to seek god through diiffrent paths of bakthi / karma / and as you say there is not just one way to seek God!!
RE:Muslims should worship Modi
by sunaina hameed on Dec 24, 2007 12:41 AM Permalink
excuse me.. whats sins are you referring to?? everyone from the aryans ('sharma' eh??) to the greek, the french, the portugese and the british have invaded india. every invader has looted and killed. why are only present day muslims expected to carry a lifelong guilt for something that their ancestors (?) did a gazillion years ago?? speaking of sins, from butchering sikhs to the massacre of muslims, several hindus in this country are as militant as the muslims are. why dont u tell THEM to worship and purify their souls?? each time the '84 riots come up, people blame the 'party' but not the 'followers'..??!!
RE:Muslims should worship Modi
by bnsl on Dec 24, 2007 12:49 AM Permalink
Present day muslims glorify the barbaric murderers and plunderers. That is why they started Mumbai riots when Babri structure was destroyed - it was not even a mosque because it had not been used for worship for 49 years - it was only stone according to Islam - like the Taleban said about Bamiyan Buddhas before destroying them. Your heroes are Ghaznis, Ghauris and Babars
RE:RE:RE:Muslims should worship Modi
by sunaina hameed on Dec 24, 2007 01:02 AM Permalink
yes the babri can hardly be qualified as a mosque as noone had entered or worshipped their for decades. the hurt is over what it represents. a govt we voted for which promised to protect it but stood and did nothing. the riots that followed. then also, noone came to protect the muslims. our structure is destroyed then add salt to wounds, kill our people too to 'celebrate'!! DO NOT compare indian muslims to taliban. if you know anything about the religion, u will know that taliban does not even represent Islam!! and get over your obsession with ghaznis and gauris and babars. they were'nt indians. we DO NOT idolize them and they do not stand for anything we believe in. it is your lack of understanding and your distorted bias and hatred that makes you say that.
RE:Muslims should worship Modi
by bnsl on Dec 24, 2007 01:12 AM Permalink
Babri was built by Babar after destroying Ram Janmabhoomi Temple. What about the sentiment of Hindus and sentiment of your forefathers?
RE:Muslims should worship Modi
by vinod on Dec 24, 2007 02:23 AM Permalink
Dear Sunaina,glad to see a true Indian muslim.I wish all Indian muslims were like you. How many muslims express so openly against terrorism. People like you never respond to violence perpetrated in the name of religion which makes the majority think that all muslims are terrorists. When it comes to religion,Muslims do not think as Indian muslims.They see things globally.This also adds up.How many muslim communities voiced there concern and made an effort to rescue the Indians who were abducted in Iraq or killed in Afghanistan. Secondly many Indians after a stint in Gulf return to become BJP activists.I know many die hard secularists turning out as saffron followers after some time of their life in Saudi or in the Gulf.Muslim majority countries are never secular with an exception of Turkey.Why is that? Why should Islam fear about losing followers when the beleivers feel it as the best.The treatment meted out to nonmuslims in muslim states right from time immemorial is the case in point.Muslim brothers need to show tolerance and respect for other faiths and speak out when any element tries to take advantage of the religion.I wish people like sunaina make up our whole muslim world-educated,intelligent,reasonable and faithful.You deserve appreciation
RE:Muslims should worship Modi
by bnsl on Dec 24, 2007 12:59 AM Permalink
Muslims murder in the name of their religion. That is why no one mentions other peoples religion when they commit a crime. Muslims try to please Allah by killing infidels
RE:RE:Muslims should worship Modi
by sunaina hameed on Dec 24, 2007 01:07 AM Permalink
my God!! you are even more ignorant than i thought!! no point talking when the arguments are THIS baseless! even you know you are just clutching at straws and making ridiculous statements just for the sake of argument. Indian muslims were never like their foreign counterparts. but things have been worsening over the last 5-10 years and the 'jehadi' influence that you have been referring to is catching up in a very small but very significant minority of muslims. and you wonder WHY?? Hav'nt we had enuff in the last 5-10 years??
RE:Muslims should worship Modi
by Raja Subramanian on Dec 24, 2007 01:58 AM Permalink
Well spoken Sunaina - I apologize for all my friends and "brothers." It is this narrow-minded bigotry in our country that promulgates hatred, and hatred begets hatred. I've had several Muslim, Sikh and Christian friends growing-up - they were as patriotic as any of us, and I have never ever felt insecure in their presence - I can only imagine how they must be feeling when they visit such forums. Frankly, I'm so appaled to see the comments people write here on these forums, and they go virtually unscrutinized. How come an actor frivolous statement in some glossy invites a court-case, but such venomous and hatred-spewing writing on Rediff goes unnoticed! So much for Incredible India!
RE:Muslims should worship Modi
by raj kumar on Dec 24, 2007 02:34 AM Permalink
hey sunaina ahmed exceptions don't make a rule my dear. so giving examples of war b\w ram and ravanna etc. shows desparation on your side to somehow beliitle hinduism to save some grace for islam. and by the by ravana was no saint and the whole thing is mythological but suicide bombing is not and no demons are the targets of such acts. you consider yourself non violent and staunch protester against terrorism but tell me honestly how many muslims do you think would agree with you. the majority would want you dead. i agree that many invaders have looted india but who is doing it now? muslims. citing past happenings aren't justifications for what your kind "ahem" your disowned kind do today. AND RAJA SUBRAMANIAM , I AM SURE YOU MUST HAVE HAD A LOT OF MUSLIM FRIENDS AND MUST HAVE GONE OVER TO THEIR HOUSES FOR ID ETC. AND ENJOYED THEIR GRACIOUS HOSPITALITY OR INVITED THEM OVER BUT TELL ME IF YOU WOULD GET YOUR CHILDREN MARRIED TO ONE. ITS NOT NARROW MINDED BIGOTRY, ITS CALLING A SPADES A SPADES. IF YOU ARE TOO MUCH OF A CHICKEN TO DO THAT THEN SHUT UP. AND BY THE BY IT IS AN INCREDIBLE INDIA WHERE 25 CRORE MUSLIMS ARE ENJOYING THE HINDU HOSPITALITY. AMERICA IS ALREADY PREVENTING THEM FROM INVADING IN TO THEIR LAND. JUST THE POINT THAT YOU HAD MUSLIM FRIENDS OR ANYONE POSTING ANY MESSAGE OR SUNAINA TALKING CRAZY SUGGEST THAT THIS IS AN INCREDIBLE AND TOLERANT COUNTRY PROGRESSING AGAINST ALL THE HATRED THAT YOU JUST MENTIONED. BE A MAN.
RE:Muslims should worship Modi
by Raja Subramanian on Dec 24, 2007 07:07 AM Permalink
Raj Kumar, your questions don't merit an answer to begin with; anyways, let me try. You should learn to be human to begin with. The only way people like you defend yourself, all for the sake of arguments, is by getting abusive and raising hypothetical questions (such as whether I'll agree to a Muslim marriage for my kids). In this day and age, there is no way one can forcefully make people do things against their will, especially kids - I've no reservations on what to expect from this, and when such an event does occur, I would accept it wholeheartedly. You are not man enough to agree to such things anyways, so I know you will refute with more allegations to counter my response.
While we are at this let me also let you know of an incident that happened not too long ago - my family and I were watching a Ganesh procession in our locality when some of the BJP goons in the area teased young girls in my family. When we objected to this, guess what happened? My father, uncles and myself were thrashed mercilessly by a huge bunch of drunk goons. We come from a middle-class family and we have no influence or political power whatsoever, and we could not do anything. I'm sure that set of goons had people like you - you wait until this happens to you and your family someday... mark my works. BTW I've never had these issues with anyone else but with our own ilk! The point here is that this hatred that people like you have cultivated, will burn you along with everyone else in h^&l!
RE:RE:muslims in ahmedabad
by sunaina hameed on Dec 24, 2007 01:04 AM Permalink
yes. i understand the 'minority syndrome'. but do you honestly believe gujrati muslims are happy??!!
RE:muslims in ahmedabad
by sunaina hameed on Dec 24, 2007 12:43 AM Permalink
why?? are gujrati muslims supposed to be grateful to have the freedom to write an article?? what exactly is your point??
I also feel that ,Yes, Miodi has to do some thing for minorities.In fact BJP should change his stand on SAMAN NAGARI KAYADA ( Common Civil ACT) . What I feel multiple marriages and etc has made Muslim Mahila as weekest portion of Indian sociently. LEt every body accept that. BJP should try to create some Muslim mahila with stand like Not hard as Taslima but with similare but soft stand like her. That will increase even wote bank of BJP as even 10-15 division of That part of vote will change lot many things . Particulary in states like UP Bihar.BJP has to take stand Common civil Act is not there fight it is fight of Muslim women ( YE ladhayi Kiski hai Muslim mahilo ki hai). May be they can gather some of Talak Pidit Women in society to represent BJP in future.
RE:Yes Miodi has to do some thing for minorities.
by sunaina hameed on Dec 24, 2007 12:44 AM Permalink
yes. i agree. muslims who oppose common civil act/code, especially in relation to women's rights, are only defeating their own purpose. when the community puts education and women's upliftment as their first priority, half their problems will be solved
RE:Yes Miodi has to do some thing for minorities.
by sridhar on Dec 24, 2007 03:15 AM Permalink
dear sunaina, you seem to have some sense. please educate fellow muslim men and women.
Non-muslims are are so frustated to hear about islam and bombings and jehad and killings and selfishness of muslim mullahs.
106 Truly in this is a Message for people who are devout.
107 We have only sent you as a mercy for all the worlds.
108 Say: "What has come to me by inspiration is that your God is One God. Will you then submit?"
[Quran: Al Anbiyya, Chapter 21]
We send down in the Quran that which is a healing and a mercy to those who believe: to the unjust it causes nothing but loss after loss.---------Frustration after Frustration and Confusion after Confusion *my addition*
RE:BISMILLAH HIR RAHMAN NIR RAHEEM
by hakeem on Dec 24, 2007 12:21 AM Permalink
We created man and We know what dark suggestions his soul makes to him and We are nearer to him than his jugular vein.
[Quran: Qaf, Chapter 50] Ya ay yuhan Nabee (Prophet) ! We have sent you as a witness a bearer of glad tidings and a warner
46 And as one who invites to Allah's (Grace) by His leave and as a lamp spreading light.
RE:RE:BISMILLAH HIR RAHMAN NIR RAHEEM
by hakeem on Dec 24, 2007 12:23 AM Permalink
Allah and His angels send blessings on the Nabee (Prophet): You that believe! send blessings on him and salute him with all respect.
[Quran: Al Ahzab Chapter 33]
May Allah enlighten all the Muslims and guide them to the correct path. Ameen.
Darood (Blessings) and Salaam (Peace) on Muhammad, His Family, and His Companions
RE:RE:RE:BISMILLAH HIR RAHMAN NIR RAHEEM
by hakeem on Dec 24, 2007 12:23 AM Permalink
ALLAHUMMA SALLI ALA MUHAMMADIN WA ALA ALI MUHAMMADIN KAMA SALLAITA ALA IBRAHEEMA WA ALA ALI IBRAHEEMA INNAKA HAMEEDUM MAJEED
ALLAHUMMA BARIK ALA MUHAMMADIN WA ALA ALI MUHAMMADIN KAMA BARAKTA ALA IBRAHEEMA WA ALA ALI IBRAHEEMA INNAKA HAMEEDUM MAJEED
RE:BISMILLAH HIR RAHMAN NIR RAHEEM
by Philo on Dec 24, 2007 12:44 AM Permalink
allah es un hijo de put, un cabron de mierda, un marico, un cabeza de huevo, no sireve par nada, no tiene bolas ni cojones ni piripich, simepre saca huevos para viola los ninos.
in guj not only muslims even hindus have killed and 58 karsevaks lost burnt alive by goondas. ind media always play muslim card under minority tag? moditva hindutva, anti muslim hitler so many names were given to modi If modi calls mia musharaf he was dubbed as anti muslim and hindutva aganda what devil musharaf did good for muslims of india or gujrat.? What congrss and communists ruled country so many yrs what they did to uplift poor minorities or ??Why media is highlighting muslims flight atleast guj muslims are not thrown out of state the way kahsmiri pundits were butcheres and kicked out of valley
RE:this is rubbish
by sunaina hameed on Dec 24, 2007 12:56 AM Permalink
what did the gujrati muslims have to do with what happened in kashmir? why use such a pathetic excuse to justify the pogrom?? im a muslim and i hav'nt come across any indian muslim who condones what happened to the kashmiri muslims. unlike several hindus who condone or make excuses to justify the pogrom. its one thing for infiltrators from abroad ( irrespective of religion ) to sneak into this country with their kalashnikovs and ak-47s and drive out an innocent and peaceloving community from their homeland.. and its another thing for the people of one state to isolate the helpless minority of their own state!! what happened in that train was horrific and inexcusible. i make no excuses for it. women and children were burnt alive. with or without provocation, it was an act of depravity and cowardice. and the perpetrators have all been dealt with, and the trial has'nt even begun for others. but gujrat has more than 80% hindus and some 10% muslims. 58 hindus were killed and for that 2000 muslims were massacared ( and this according to the modi govt's stats, so the actual number could be atleast double! ).. and the 'brains' behind the mobs are out free, even ruling the govt!! you do the math! what kind of justice is this? and what kind of rational human being tries to justify this??
sure modi deserved to win. he has brought about a huge wave of development to his state and is seen as a committed, hardworking and corruption-free CM. He deserved to win. I just hope he won for the r
RE:this is rubbish
by on Dec 24, 2007 02:48 AM Permalink
Hi, I hve been seeing your messages. you were quite confusing. wherever there is mistake of muslims you tell u have nothing to do with it, where there is mistake from hindus you say it is atrocity...be clear yaar. You say all muslims dont support bad things. Does that mean all hindus support communal riots? what do u mean by saying " I just hope he won for it" . Do u realize whatever seats congress got is becos of hindu votes not muslim votes. don't spread hatred with your soft spoken sentences. I tell u one more thing....muslims are saying hindus are majority let them rule....but hindus voted for congress also..Dont you understand how much muslims identify themselves with relegion? pls stop your sermons here. If u dare ...plsgo and tell the same with muslims...by the way be ready to be treated like taslima..
RE:modi the terrorsit
by on Dec 24, 2007 02:51 AM Permalink
True, your comment about Advani has some truth in it. Hope Modi will not go that way....come on Modishow what you are...
RE:modi the terrorsit
by Sg Sak on Dec 24, 2007 12:18 AM Permalink
This is the problem with people like ahamed who comment on things by just reading headlines and not its contents. Stupid indeed! Ahamad, grow up and read things to completion.
RE:modi the terrorsit
by no body on Dec 24, 2007 12:05 AM Permalink
You idiot, he defined CM as common man, what he is saying he will remain a common man forever despite being reelected. Contrary to what you are saying, it is a humble statement.
RE:RE:modi the terrorsit
by Philo on Dec 24, 2007 12:10 AM Permalink
no body: Dont get pumped up. Muslims never understand what people say. They only beleieve what a pae-do-phile says.
RE:RE:RE:modi the terrorsit
by Satish on Dec 24, 2007 12:25 AM Permalink
Well said buddy. Its not right to use 'THEY', i guess its better if we use HE, the person who wrote that comment. I am sure he is not a literate. I just want to clear every Muslim onething. No Indian hates Muslims. Indians just hates Anti-Indians. We even love Pakistanis who wants good relations with us. We just HATE ANTI-INDIAN people. Few Indians who loves to stay in Pakistan can just F**K Off from here and go there and live starving. What do you say guys
