Nobel prize is here only for the last hundred years Muslsim world is in crisis for the last 100 hundreds , direct result of western colonoisation. Do you think, Muslims are idiots but managed to rule Spain for 1000 years, India for 800 years and so on? If we are idots,then what about the subjects they ruled? see another link about islamic spain in History channel thehistorychannel.co.uk/site/tv_guide/full_details/World_history/programme_3500.php By the same token? we have only ione Nobel Laurate in sience Sir C V Raman for 1 billion?are you going to call us ignorants?
RE:Hello Rocky for asking about Nobel prize??
by Sami on Dec 22, 2007 02:32 PM Permalink
are you referring to the 19th century books written by westerners? on what basis they wrote the history centuries back? do you have your own history to justify your sayings?
Many of the hate mongers here may not have looked beyound there doctored school text books Thats why they are exposing their arrogance by saying islam and its civilization is backward..
RE:RE:Modern science owes its birth to Islam
by balaord on Dec 22, 2007 02:05 PM Permalink
Singha I know you are a empty head filled with hatred and nothing else Will you understand if I refer you to a lecture of Maurizio Iaccarino - The Secretary General of the UNESCO/ICSU World Conference on Science given on the western citadel Vatican on Pontifical Academy of Sciences - This lecture is also published by worlds permeir science managzine Nature ..
RE:RE:RE:Modern science owes its birth to Islam
by balaord on Dec 22, 2007 02:07 PM Permalink
Singha ? have you ever read any serious book written by any academic..??It looks like any junk that gets into youtube becomes sacrosanct to you..
RE:RE:Modern science owes its birth to Islam
by balaord on Dec 22, 2007 02:16 PM Permalink
Nobel prize is here only for the last hundred years Muslsim world is in crisis for the last 100 hundreds , direct result of western colonoisation. Do you think, Muslims are idiots but managed to rule Spain for 1000 years, India for 800 years and so on? If we are idots,then what about the subjects they ruled? see another link about islamic spain in History channel thehistorychannel.co.uk/site/tv_guide/full_details/World_history/programme_3500.php By the same token? we have only ione Nobel Laurate in sience Sir C V Raman for 1 billion?are you going to call us ignorants?
RE:Modern science owes its birth to Islam
by balaord on Dec 22, 2007 02:20 PM Permalink
See the link nature.com/embor/journal/v4/n3/full/embor781.html Look at the fourth paragraph of the lecture "...But the foundations of modern science were laid long before this time, and were particularly influenced by Islamic civilization..." ..The transfer of the knowledge of Islamic science to the West through various channels paved the way for the Renaissance, and for the scientific revolution in Europe. The public in the West is generally unaware of this important contribution to modern science and to the culture of the Middle Ages. Islamic civilization is part of our own heritage..
RE:Modern science owes its birth to Islam
by balaord on Dec 22, 2007 02:04 PM Permalink
Read as exposing arrogance and ignorance... I dont even feel like discussing with you guys for your utter stupidity of world history , particularly history of science.
RE:Modern science owes its birth to Islam
by Fantastic on Dec 22, 2007 02:06 PM Permalink
>>balaord Again most of islamic science comes from Greek and cleverly named them as Islamic. Even Ibn (Medical) he was punished when he said in his book that their search is nothing to do with Islam.
RE:RE:Modern science owes its birth to Islam
by balaord on Dec 22, 2007 02:08 PM Permalink
"Cleverly named them"??whay the hell Europe waited for 1000 years? just to let Muslims copy and distribute it?
mayavati and mulayam shingh must appolize to muslim for the sin of police personal of arresting 2 huji men. They must be set free and provide indian citizenship, govt accomodation and govt job. They will start loving maya memsaheb. and maya and mulayam get huge chunk of votes so they will loot indian state forever for their life. jai hind
Mayawati through a series of action on upholding rule of law and going after the rogue elements in society and with a pro growth and development agenda has clearly shown that she is strong willed and nation's interest at heart . She can be a fantastic candidate for running the country as a PM if she continues to take decisions which are best suited for the country.
RE:Another Muslim Lie - Unchanged koran. Truth - koran is Doctored Work to Selfserve
by Ismail Sayyed on Dec 22, 2007 01:39 PM Permalink
One of the most common myths about the Quran, is that Usman (r.a.), the third Caliph of Islam authenticated and compiled one Quran, from a large set of mutually contradicting copies. The Quran, revered as the Word of Allah (swt) by Muslims the world over, is the same Quran as the one revealed to Prophet Muhammad (pbuh). It was authenticated and written under his personal supervision. We will examine the roots of the myth which says that Usman (r.a.) had the Qur%u2019an authenticated.
RE:Another Muslim Lie - Unchanged koran. Truth - koran is Doctored Work to Selfserve
by Ismail Sayyed on Dec 22, 2007 01:40 PM Permalink
Whenever the Prophet received a revelation, he would first memorize it himself and later declare the revelation and instruct his Companions (R.A. %u2013 Radhi Allahu Taala Anhu) %u2013 May Allah be pleased with him who would also memorize it. The Prophet would immediately ask the scribes to write down the revelation he had received, and he would reconfirm and recheck it himself. Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) was an Ummi who could not read and write. Therefore, after receiving each revelation, he would repeat it to his Companions. They would write down the revelation, and he would recheck by asking them to read what they had written. If there was any mistake, the Prophet would immediately point it out and have it corrected and rechecked. Similarly he would even recheck and authenticate the portions of the Quran memorized by the Companions. In this way, the complete Quran was written down under the personal supervision of the prophet (pbuh).
RE:Another Muslim Lie - Unchanged koran. Truth - koran is Doctored Work to Selfserve
by Ismail Sayyed on Dec 22, 2007 01:41 PM Permalink
The complete Quran was revealed over a period of 22½ years portion by portion, as and when it was required. The Quran was not compiled by the Prophet in the chronological order of revelation. The order and sequence of the Quran too was Divinely inspired and was instructed to the Prophet by Allah (swt) through archangel Jibraeel. Whenever a revelation was conveyed to his companions, the Prophet would also mention in which surah (chapter) and after which ayat (verse) this new revelation should fit.
Every Ramadhaan all the portions of the Qur%u2019an that had been revealed, including the order of the verses, were revised and reconfirmed by the Prophet with archangel Jibraeel. During the last Ramadhaan, before the demise of the Prophet, the Qur%u2019an was rechecked and reconfirmed twice.
It is therefore clearly evident that the Qur%u2019an was compiled and authenticated by the Prophet himself during his lifetime, both in the written form as well as in the memory of several of his Companions.
RE:Another Muslim Lie - Unchanged koran. Truth - koran is Doctored Work to Selfserve
by Ismail Sayyed on Dec 22, 2007 01:42 PM Permalink
The complete Quran, along with the correct sequence of the verses, was present during the time of the Prophet (pbuh). The verses however, were written on separate pieces, scrapes of leather, thin flat stones, leaflets, palm branches, shoulder blades, etc. After the demise of the prophet, Abu Bakr (r.a.), the first caliph of Islam ordered that the Quran be copied from the various different materials on to a common material and place, which was in the shape of sheets. These were tied with strings so that nothing of the compilation was lost.
RE:Another Muslim Lie - Unchanged koran. Truth - koran is Doctored Work to Selfserve
by Ismail Sayyed on Dec 22, 2007 01:43 PM Permalink
Many Companions of the Prophet used to write down the revelation of the Quran on their own whenever they heard it from the lips of the Prophet. However what they wrote was not personally verified by the Prophet and thus could contain mistakes. All the verses revealed to the Prophet may not have been heard personally by all the Companions. There were high possibilities of different portions of the Quran being missed by different Companions. This gave rise to disputes among Muslims regarding the different contents of the Quran during the period of the third Caliph Usman (r.a.). Usman (r.a.) borrowed the original manuscript of the Quran, which was authorized by the beloved Prophet (pbuh), from Hafsha (may Allah be pleased with her), the Prophet%u2019s wife. Usman (r.a.) ordered four Companions who were among the scribes who wrote the Quran when the Prophet dictated it, led by Zaid bin Thabit (r.a.) to rewrite the script in several perfect copies. These were sent by Usman (r.a.) to the main centres of Muslims. There were other personal collections of the portions of the Quran that people had with them. These might have been incomplete and with mistakes. Usman (r.a.) only appealed to the people to destroy all these copies which did not match the original manuscript of the Qur%u2019an in order to preserve the original text of the Qur%u2019an. Two such copies of the copied text of the original Quran authenticated by the Prophet are present to this day, one at the museum in Tashkent in erstwhile
RE:Another Muslim Lie - Unchanged koran. Truth - koran is Doctored Work to Selfserve
by Ismail Sayyed on Dec 22, 2007 01:45 PM Permalink
Two such copies of the copied text of the original Quran authenticated by the Prophet are present to this day, one at the museum in Tashkent in erstwhile Soviet Union and the other at the Topkapi Museum in Istanbul, Turkey. The original manuscript of the Quran does not have the signs indicating the vowels in Arabic script. These vowels are known as tashkil, zabar, zair, paish in Urdu and as fatah, damma and qasra in Arabic. The Arabs did not require the vowel signs and diacritical marks for correct pronunciation of the Quran since it was their mother tongue. For Muslims of non-Arab origin, however, it was difficult to recite the Quran correctly without the vowels. These marks were introduced into the Quranic script during the time of the fifth Umayyad Caliph, Malik-ar-Marwan (66-86 Hijri/685-705 C.E.) and during the governorship of Al-Hajaj in Iraq. Some people argue that the present copy of the Quran that we have along with the vowels and the diacritical marks is not the same original Quran that was present at the Prophet%u2019s time. But they fail to realize that the word %u2018Quran%u2019 means a recitation. Therefore, the preservation of the recitation of the Quran is important, irrespective of whether the script is different or whether it contains vowels. If the pronunciation and the Arabic is the same, naturally, the meaning remains the same too.
RE:Islam - Plain and Simple Truth
by frankopenion on Dec 22, 2007 01:28 PM Permalink
Singha, I have not read Quraan but I am really curious to know whether the quotes you have written above are really from quraan??!!
RE:RE:Islam - Plain and Simple Truth
by Sami on Dec 22, 2007 01:54 PM Permalink
US Defence Secretary Robert Gates has warned that the US military is in danger of running out of money for its operations in Iraq and Afghanistan.
