I would like to thank Mr.Raghavan for this enlightening article. It opened me to the really interesting idea propounded by AKR. I read through the comments posted here, some of them acidic, but felt they all prove what the author of the article just said. We react to anything depending on the context. Some have criticised him for being brahminical and some have praised him for 'supporting' the Hindu nationalist philosophy. I think the author has done a grt job in leaving it to the individual reader to read meanings, but to me it was sheer magic in terms of the fact that we have lost our right to blame Modi or any other Indian for the state of things coz, in a way it is our contextual thought process, our tendency to support ideas or men selectively that is to blame, not Modi or Jinnah or Gandhi. Thanks for helping us introspect into the Indian psyche. I dont care if u r a tambrahm or a justice party supporter- what u said and its meaning hold greater value to me. thanks again.
It's better to talk about practical solutions. In my opinion following changes could lead to lasting peace: 1. Declare India a Hindu state. This, initially could lead to minor hick-up, but 'll eventually pave the way for lasting peace. Because Hindus 'll feel secure in their only motherland, people 'll have ALL around devt., and there won't be any need for riots. 2. Break J&K into 3 parts. Let article 370 (temporarily) applicable to Kashmir only. Take out military of Kashmir and put it on it's border to ensure that trouble does not spill out of Kashmir. 3. Educate Kashmiris that if they become part of Pak, they would face discrimination. Because for Pak Govt, only Punjab is Pak and rest of the area does not count. Hope better sense prevail and gradually remove article 370. 3. Check inflitration on B'desh border, issue shoot-at-site order, remove all illegal people (use chinese methods). 4. Listen to NE's local people concern, provide them all round devt. Hopefully this will reduce terrrorism in NE.
Critical point is doe some analysis, develop a plan and start implementing in small phases.
RE:Practical Solutions
by YoBro on Dec 17, 2007 10:59 PM Permalink
lol...i'll go with revere cowboy (also called the reverse frog-squat, btw). Try it out...its fun.
RE:Practical Solutions
by Anurag Shrivastava on Dec 17, 2007 11:10 PM Permalink
I want Aishwarya to divorce Abhishek and marry me. I am not good looking and I am not rich par mere paas dil hai.
A significant section of educated Hindus, today thinks that the so called secular parties have taken Hindus for granted and have focused on dividing them rather than solving problems of the majority.
The convenient tool of caste is exploited to the hilt by Congress, BSP, etc and even those who did not really want to think that way (ex: communists) are fallen into the trap of this social justice. Social justice is required, but not through the instrument of caste or religion. It should have been based on economic status.
We have such lenient laws to allow the unscrupulous politicians, administrative machinery, police, tax officials, etc to escape with day light robbery of the common public.
We have created complicated laws and laws that are archaic, to make life miserable for common man. This helps the administrative machinery, tax consultants, etc, to exploit the public. The poor have remained poor while those who have had access to power or education have progressed.
So, it is natural for the morality to be not absolute in this context. People justify anything and everything according to their whims and fancies. A politician justifies riots, bribery, abuse of fundamental rights as eloquently as a lawyer who defends the most indefensible criminal.
Compromise, exploitation and silent acceptance of the brutal suppression of fellow citizen has become an accepted way of life.
why u r trying to misguide the people, it is the congress which ruled the country for more than 50 years and never tryed to improve the literacy rate and the education as congress knows very well it will enjoy the power until unless people are illiterate, are in poverty and unaware abt them.so pls all congress loved people once think abt the country other wise once we will loose our identity in globe.most nonsense, brutal, power hankering ,corrupted, less knowledgeous, narrow minded, criminal are in congress.
RE:once Modi will rule India
by Loan Shark on Dec 17, 2007 10:33 PM Permalink
Congress is the reason why today, after 60 years of separation from British, we are at the top in the sub-continnet.
There was definitely something positive about our leadership that makes us a better country than pak and BD. When western world looks at India, it sees a consumer market there, a source of quality and cheap labor, a place to invest in.
What is Pakistan looked as? a hideout for Bin Laden, a country suffering under martial laws, a silent supporter of terrorism, a country always needing subsidy and aid.
Congress has made India what it is today. Anyone who disagrees, is living in denial.
RE:once Modi will rule India
by DerHunter on Dec 17, 2007 10:37 PM Permalink
I agree...folks like Modi would have made India a Hindu version of Pakistan. As it is we have our own Bin Lade, Mr. Togadia here!!
RE:RE:once Modi will rule India
by Abir Mandal on Dec 17, 2007 11:28 PM Permalink
Shut up moron. There cannot be a Hindu version of pakistan because Hinduism by definition is not the same as Islam. Whereas Muhammed himself murdered and raped women and children.
RE:once Modi will rule India
by DerHunter on Dec 17, 2007 10:32 PM Permalink
Google it up dude! Dont act as if you dont know who is the father and author of casteism in India!
RE:RE:once Modi will rule India
by Demo-crazy on Dec 17, 2007 11:25 PM Permalink
Manu did not create caste system - it is a later on transformation of the work classificatin he did.
Do not go by what is on the net as the genuine source of information. Half baked arguments, false propaganda all find a place on the internet.
RE:once Modi will rule India
by r patil on Dec 17, 2007 10:24 PM Permalink
It is from congrees,ofcourse how can we expect congreesis to agreee with it.
RE:once Modi will rule India
by DerHunter on Dec 17, 2007 10:25 PM Permalink
So Manu was from Congres?? C'mon yaar, Congress does not have so rich tradition.
RE:Caste Politics has only one virtue: Like Gandhi, it saved India from Communism/Maoism
by Ha ha hi hi on Dec 17, 2007 10:22 PM Permalink
Criminal Mukherjee ISI sponsored !!!
RE:Caste Politics has only one virtue: Like Gandhi, it saved India from Communism/Maoism
by Demo-crazy on Dec 17, 2007 10:33 PM Permalink
I disagree. Caste politics has been the bane of India. We should have had economic status as the sole criterion for deciding if any person or family requires government aid.
I stauchly believe in FREE quality education for all upto 10th standard and strongly disapprove of reservation in professional courses. But if a candidate from a poor family scores well, he/she should be given full facilities, subsidized education, free book to study and qualify for the challenges of the world.
There should be ample scholarships, freeships to ensure that the children aim higher and achieve better results.
RE:RE:Caste Politics has only one virtue: Like Gandhi, it saved India from Communism/Maoism
by deepak on Dec 17, 2007 10:43 PM Permalink
Demo-crazy
Demo-Crazy is a word used by Mullah preacher on the street of European cities... Obviously, therefore, you are not qualify for suggesting anything on caste system... Plus, when you treated like abdullah in Islamic in arab country, you perhaps wanna correct your own situation..
RE:RE:RE:Caste Politics has only one virtue: Like Gandhi, it saved India from Communism/Maoism
by Demo-crazy on Dec 17, 2007 11:02 PM Permalink
Deepak, Why do you make presumtions about the word demo-crazy? It is a pen name, playing upon the word Democracy and Crazy. The way democracy works is utterly crazy at times.
I would have appreciated if you had responded to my comment rather than my pen name.
RE:Caste Politics has only one virtue: Like Gandhi, it saved India from Communism/Maoism
by deepak on Dec 17, 2007 10:40 PM Permalink
Mukherjee
This is perhaps the strongest point of sustainment of Hindu civilization.. caste is what really holds hindu society together.. But as Mahabharata says "Because Truth lays beyond of the intellect, we cannot use words for it."
I am sick and tired of People roaming around and saying how caste system must be eradicted... I am a Punjabi Khatri... I respect my caste, but disrespect nobody... What we need to eradict are people who call other people Aryans (dravidism), Expolioters (communism), manuwadis (illterate mayawati) communals (Congress, and Pseudo secular)....
RE:RE:Caste Politics has only one virtue: Like Gandhi, it saved India from Communism/Maoism
by SHRI RAM on Dec 17, 2007 10:52 PM Permalink
Deepak you are a part of 30% Indians living in Urban or suburban area, who have access to internet and all resources, but think How 70% people live in villages, panchayat is bigger than supreme court for them, and Swarns are the Don to rule in jungle. Other civilizations are also evolved and change according to time you are calling it Hindu Civilization, but in History there is no word like Hindu- Civilization, its a vedic Civilization, Hindu word is persian word to signifies nativity of indus valley civilization people or the people lives in East. No where in no Veds, No puran, Upnishad any Hindu word is ever used. Indian were classified into four groups thats a caste system. After Invasion Of muslims people started realizing that their way of worship and faiths are different from Islam ans these Muslim Invaders called them Hindus, so they started calling them Hindus this is history.
RE:Caste Politics has only one virtue: Like Gandhi, it saved India from Communism/Maoism
by SHRI RAM on Dec 17, 2007 10:43 PM Permalink
And also told that he is shudra, dont play and eat with them, you are brahamin and have some more repect in society than these people. Gandhi whenever vistited Non-Swarn villages and houses always kept fast(vart) and did not eat there. Same way still discrimination is going on in many villages of India. Dalits are not allowed to fetch water from Brahamin Villages, dalits are not allowed to enter in many temples and even they are still treated like animals by many thakurs and brahamins, Job Reserveration is only enjoyed by upper creamy layer of lower caste, the real people are far away from human rights, justice and minimum living neccessities.
RE:Caste Politics has only one virtue: Like Gandhi, it saved India from Communism/Maoism
by Demo-crazy on Dec 17, 2007 10:57 PM Permalink
I am a Hindu upper-caste born, but disagree with caste system because of what damage it has done to our society as a whole. We are an easily divided society - one played up against the other by the opportunistic politicians, and various religious sect heads.
The enemies do not need to struggle hard when we are divided on so many fronts. History is replete with incidents of betrayal. Very few kings like Shivaji succeeded in overcoming the curse of caste as they respected and trusted all their members irrespective of their caste.
Rediff is all crap and tries to justify Congress and when it could not do it ( cuz BJP may be wiining again ) this crap Ramanujan blames the people now.
i happen to live in west bengal for last one year secular cpm: 100 yers old taxi. 100 death for one plant. one crore bangladeshi. man pulled riksaw. most un developed infrastucture. unfocused citizens.
communal guj: 84 cities. 46% urban population. 100% electification. THOUSANDS OF BENGALI INCLUDING MUSLIM BENGALI PREVER TO MOVE TO A COMMUNAL AND UNSECURE GUJ FROM A SECULAR WEST BENGAL. STOP FOOLOING YOURSELF.WAKEUP BEFORE ITS TOO LATE.
RE:i wld like to b ruled by a communal leader
by Nitin Kumar on Dec 17, 2007 10:11 PM Permalink
Is china ruled by communist.... think before u ans. 2nd do't compare apple with a orange.
RE:RE:i wld like to b ruled by a communal leader
by Anurag Shrivastava on Dec 17, 2007 10:21 PM Permalink
I think I have answered your question above as well
RE:i wld like to b ruled by a communal leader
by deepak on Dec 17, 2007 10:47 PM Permalink
Chinese do not laugh, for reason that if it gives slightest indication that they are laughing at communist leadership, they will be hanged... MAO killed 60 milliion chinese during cultural revolution...
RE:RE:i wld like to b ruled by a communal leader
by Anurag Shrivastava on Dec 17, 2007 10:54 PM Permalink
Mao has been dead and buried. The Chinese worry more about their BMWs than about cultural revolution. They build real bridges of the kind you can't imagine and not hold debates on mythical ones. Yes - they have low tolerance for fools as they are run by bright people.
RE:i wld like to b ruled by a communal leader
by Demo-crazy on Dec 17, 2007 10:36 PM Permalink
Are there two Tathagata's on rediff? Yesterday one was writing anti-BJP, and today I see a different version...
RE:i wld like to b ruled by a communal leader
by Anurag Shrivastava on Dec 17, 2007 10:19 PM Permalink
Let me educate you a little bit.
With the kind of high quality businessmen Gujarat has produced in last 100 years and the headstart it had after independence - I would say infrastructure and business climate in Gujarat is rather poor.
Lets not even talk about freedom of expression - I am sure many have very different view of that.
Bengal was a craphole 100 years back, it is a craphole now and it will remain the same for next 1000 years. With or without commies. It has a lot of intellect but not businessmen hungry for money like in Gujarat.
China has what is called "dictatorship of the talent" - which is people in powerful position are groomed from their college days and Top 1% of the students through entrance exams go to top elite universities and then to the "Communist Party" if they do well in university. The Communist Party is more like the IAS ( and not a marxist debating society ) with a much broader base and that the best amongst them become part of top leadership - and most would be engineers.That is why Chinese dictatorship will face very little pressure from masses because everyone knows they are the best and the brightest.
RE:i wld like to b ruled by a communal leader
by Anurag Shrivastava on Dec 17, 2007 10:51 PM Permalink
I don't think you ever been to China or known anyone who has been to even their B grade towns. I pity you. Unfortunately you are so caught up with your absurd mindset of hero worship that you close your reality to what is and what is possible.
RE:i wld like to b ruled by a communal leader
by farid patel on Dec 17, 2007 10:24 PM Permalink
why don't you come and see the riots in gujarat and forget to sing songs about gujarat. by the way have you been in a riot?
RE:RE:i wld like to b ruled by a communal leader
by Anurag Shrivastava on Dec 17, 2007 10:26 PM Permalink
Riots happen all the time. Its always a question about who starts it. Maybe you have the answer , Farid. I know that the community which has numerical superiority typically has the last word.
RE:i wld like to b ruled by a communal leader
by farid patel on Dec 17, 2007 10:34 PM Permalink
do you justify killing a innocent hindu or a innocent muslim for no fault of his own returning to his home after work in the riots between so called communities. No way. this is wat riots are all about, taking innocent lifes for own selfish purpose. those who do are not hindus and muslim, but are demons and terrorist and i don't support terrorist
RE:RE:i wld like to b ruled by a communal leader
by Anurag Shrivastava on Dec 17, 2007 10:57 PM Permalink
I am not justifying anything. If you allow fools to run this country ( exceptions being people like MMS ) - then these things will happen. You can't hold the country to ransom and indulge in violence for some book written or cartoon drawn in some part of the world or ask for special laws.
RE:RE:i wld like to b ruled by a communal leader
by Demo-crazy on Dec 17, 2007 10:42 PM Permalink
Sensible point. So, one should condemn, prevent if possible, all kinds of violence or riots.
By the same token one cannot justify buring of a rail coach (killing 58 people - 23 men, 15 women and 20 children), cooker bomb blasts, fidayeen attacks, or violent terror attacks in mumbai, malegaon, hyderabad, varanasi, lucknow, Kashmir, etc.
What is being done to stop this senseless violence?
When BJP was in the previous name Janasangh no other parties branded them or called them communal like now. Since when BJP emerged as stronger indian voters started listening BJP leaders and began to realising Congress was cheating them since independence, since then Congress labelled BJP as Communal. All other regional parties who do appeasement politics also joined with them but same time for sharing power in different states as well at centre they change anti BJP stand depend up on the situation. BJP is the one and only Party in India with a Manifest and ideology to considering whole Indians as Indians without counting their cast or religion. Congress practiced British leftover theory divide and rule and still continuing. In present day politics Left Parties has no place in India as well whole world. Practically Left Parties in India is a limited company owned by China managed by some power greedy people who always lies and flip-flop in public each and every deals in the public they use to bark in public against the policies and behind the curtain vote for it. History of left is they do any nasty ugly cruel things to capture power. Present Congress and Left are practically real communal practicing parties in India is the fact.
RE:Fear Factor
by Anurag Shrivastava on Dec 17, 2007 11:14 PM Permalink
Nobody brands BJP communal. It takes pride in being called communal. Much like you Tathagata, take pride, in putting flowers on Modi's picture every morning. I think you would have also become vegetarian as Shri Modi thinks "unka sochna alag hot hai"
RE:Fear Factor
by George Godd on Dec 17, 2007 09:59 PM Permalink
As per congress if u abuse Shri Ram u r secular if if u take name of Shri ram u r communal
