I'd rather partition India, or carve out a separate state from it, than live under those who launched their dirty slander campaign against Modi. If Modi can be vilified for riots that he did not cause, then anybody can be ambushed like that. I'm an atheist, but sorry, there's no way that I can continue to live with the Left. We'll have to partition the country soon, because there's no way that the dirty tricks of the Left are acceptable to me. Mass-murderers of Nandigram are busy judging others and calling decent people mass-murderers. It's time for partition.
What about the Atom bombs dropped on Japan by US or the Colonial rule by British or Holocaust, muslim invasions, christian crusades ? Nothing exclusive to India.
He is not a mass murderer..as people get educated and become knowledgible they will select more Modis and kick more Sonias..They know who can think for people and who can think himself only.. come out of slavery kick these sonia and rahul and priyanka and their sons/daughter to come who will try to rule you even from their nursery class...
ec (=elect congress) is taking too much time - one week!!! - in declaring the gujarat results. the votes can be all tallied on teh computer in matter of just one day. why ec needs 7 long days to sit on it? well, you can be sure it is not just sitting on it, it is massaging it, and screwing around to see how to make congressis the winners. as you all are aware too many western church-sponsored kirastanista computer hacks are loitering around the evms. congress is going to plunge the nation into a crisis. but what do italians care if brown indians get killed?
So what? Indians should stop existing now??? Are you an NRI who hates likes to think of his own country as inferior in all aspects? What a pointless and silly article. Western nations are NOT followers of absolute morals. For example, in the context of the "war on terrorism", American government has justified Iraq war, collateral damage (deaths of civilians) in Iraq and Afghanistan, detentions in Guantanamo bay, Patriot Act inside Unites States etc. etc. In the context of the Indian war of Independence in 1857, the British military justified and indulged in large scale killings of civilians in the affected areas. In the context of world war 2, all western powers justified the terror bombings of civilian places like cities. In the context of the fight against communism, western powers justified their alliances with brutal dictators through out the world. In the same context again, the Vietnam war and the usage of the extremely cruel Napalm bombs was justified by America. I can keep writing so many examples here. Dude Raghavan, before you write, at least check whether you are writing sense or nonsense.
RE:So what now???
by Neeraja MBalchander on Dec 18, 2007 04:27 AM Permalink
Well, I think the author really is a better Indian than anyone who blindly supports India. FYI, the most progressive Americans are opposed to the Iraq war, as they were to the napalming of Vietnam. And even if they aren't, that doesn't preclude Indians from being introspective. The West or the Middle East are counter examples, not excuses for us to be stupid and jingoistic.
RE:So what now???
by Fun Lover on Dec 18, 2007 05:02 AM Permalink
Big deal. It can be argued that even the most progressive Indians are opposed to Modi. By the way, in case you did not notice, both Bush and Blair were re-elected AFTER the Iraq war. Also, just before the invasion of Iraq, a majority of Americans were in favor of the war. In America, progressives have a loud voice so you hear them a lot, but there are a good percentage of people who are conservative. And madam, where did I justify jingoism in my post?
RE:So what now???
by Niranjan Balachandran on Dec 18, 2007 08:29 AM Permalink
I don't think the author is ever referring to the western world as any superior to ours. It's just that we (as a nation and not referring to any particular individual) might been tuned into believing or thinking that there is a sense of morality in what someone such as Modi did after the Godhra incident. And the author is pushing a thought that this is embedded deeper in our culture. You may not agree with him but that doesn't make his point nonsense.
RE:So what now???
by Fun Lover on Dec 18, 2007 08:59 AM Permalink
While the author is not explicitly saying that the west is superior, this point is present implicitly in his article. First, he (incorrectly) says that Indians and Westerners follow different style of morals. And next he gives many examples to show why he thinks the Indian morality is flawed. The concluding statement is that there is a problem with all Indians. Most importantly, he says that the absence of moral absolutism (that the West follows according to him) enables us to justify everything. The implication of all this is that the western style of morality is better. Of course, it is a different matter that westerners don't follow absolute morals, which is one reason why the article can be considered to be nonsense. Moral relativism is quite universal. Hence the author's attempts to relate it specifically to our culture (as you suggest) is another instance of a nonsensical conclusion.
Now coming to Modi and Gujarat - It is true that Gujaratis probably believed that Modi was doing the right thing. But neither does this have anything to do with culture (especially not the Gita, if that is what you are intending), nor is it unique to Gujaratis. Also, given that the BJP lost the national elections in 2004, it is debatable whether the entire nation shared this feeling. Moreover, similar feelings are almost omnipresent. Muslims on September 11, Americans on Fallujah, Iraq etc. Israelis on Lebanon can all be accused of having similar feelings.
he is right kind of person who does not hate muslim or hindu niether appeases anyone. At least this should be expected from any one from congress or BSP or DMK etc.. He is not like Arjun singh and sonia gandhi who does not know basic things about india ..just do same irritating talk parrot ..secularism..if there is riot or peace..
RE:Modi will remain here for sake of gujrat and India
by Blade on Dec 18, 2007 03:40 AM Permalink
we do not need modi for india....for gujarat let the gujaratis decide what they want....but for india we can't have a mass-murderer as PM I'm sorry
RE:RE:Modi will remain here for sake of gujrat and India
by Hemanta on Dec 18, 2007 10:28 AM Permalink
why once he will be the PM only thing is u have to wait and watch.
RE:Modi will remain here for sake of gujrat and India
by Fun Lover on Dec 18, 2007 03:48 AM Permalink
We already had a mass murderer Rajiv Gandhi as PM. Don't forget that thousands of Sikhs were killed in 1984 with the tacit approval of Rajiv Gandhi. He is also notorious for making the comment - "When a big tree falls, the earth is bound to shake", in that context.
RE:Modi will remain here for sake of gujrat and India
by Blade on Dec 18, 2007 03:59 AM Permalink
agreed....but that doesn't mean we make another mass-murderer as PM
RE:Modi will remain here for sake of gujrat and India
by Fun Lover on Dec 18, 2007 04:03 AM Permalink
I agree. But I was just telling that as a matter of fact and not to justify anything.
highly stupid article.This is how books are twisted, to justify/ satisfy one's own belief's.
You use the supposedly 'Indian way of thinking' to explain appeasement. reservations / taking money from kgb etc etc.... and call is contexttual morality. Well, the west or for that matter all humanity has the same morality. Think about it man.. It really is a stupid article. Simply can;t see anything redeeming in it.. thats why I'm calling it stupid outright. And if Ramanujam meant all this , then well that doesn;t make it any less stupid. Sorry.
RE:nothing redeeming in this article
by ajay gambhai on Dec 18, 2007 03:41 AM Permalink
must appreciate, very inovative thinking. Caste, communisum & religious based parties & policies are equally bad for this country.
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