TCAS should read the recent book "Vishnu's Crowded Temple" (2007) by Maria Misra who argues that it was the British, in order to retain power in India, started the classification, computation and documentation of Indians by castes, sub-castes and religions and that the Indians have only followed the British practice! Something to think about! KS Subramanian.
Any donkey who can reduce taxes, who can control sarkari corruption in all walks of life, who can control law and order condition, who can make Pak controlled jehadis and make them piss off, who can bring an environment for business and private enterprise to grow, who can abolish socialistic and communist promoted naxalism, will do a wonder for this country. People want israel like action when Pak trained jehadis bomb our religious places and not present impotent Central leaders who only appease these people by not hanging Afzal Guru. Modi is partially that Donkey who taught those goonda a lession who killed innocent people by putting fire in train. Gujrat still remains most honest state. Any girl in gujrat can move around and not like Delhi where even foreign girls are kidnapped in day light. Gujrat is not like Haryana where I struggle to get my 35 payments for design works from haryana PWD(B&R)and those impotents tell me to go to Supreme Court but they will not pay without bribes. I hope Sonia is listening.
no ordinary citizen bothers about religion and caste. he is only intrested in ROTI, KAPADA AND MAKAN. IT is only politicians whose intrests are linked with division of castes and religions. some 30years back the caste problem was not much and people were not talking openly. but courtesy mr. viswanath pratap singh the caste barriers have come to the fore and courtesy the neo secularists the hinduand muslim conflicts have risen.if all political parties makes it a point not to mention caste and religion in their speches this problem will subsidise. politicians should talk about development , education , health and other important subjects which are needed for upliftment of society.
RE:hinduisam.
by on Dec 23, 2007 10:47 AM Permalink
Dear Mr. Thrinadh vasantavada,
We will be shocked and surprised how communal and racial we are as individuals. Inspite of our wishful thinking, we are segregated by religion and caste.
If not why does every major city is ghettofied as Hindu area, Muslim area? Why do the dalits live in worst shanties?
Well lets prescribe a test: Write down a list 20 friends/people (non-relatives), whom you know and like personally.
Hold on the list for fortyeight hours, when I will be giving you the method to test your secularism.
The word Hindu is not a religious word. It is secular in origin. It is derived from the word Sindhu, which is the name of a major river that flows in the northwestern region of the Indian subcontinent. The ancient Greeks and Armenians used to refer the people living beyond the river Sindhu as Hindus and gradually the name struck. When the Muslims came to the sub continent they called the people living in the region as Hindustanis to distinguish them from the foreign Muslims. Subsequently when the British established their rule, they started calling the local religions collectively under the name of Hinduism.
It is interesting to note that the word is neither Sanskrit nor Dravidian and did not originate in India. It was not used by Indians in their descriptions or writings till the 17th century. If we go by the original definition of the word Hindu, any one who lives in the subcontinent is a Hindu and whatever religion he or she practices is Hinduism. The word Hindu is a secular word and literally translated it means Indian and the word Hinduism denotes any religion or religions that are practiced by the multitude of people living in the land beyond the river Indus.
RE:So What is the Fight for??
by on Dec 23, 2007 10:36 AM Permalink
Dear Mr. Contractor, True enough the word "Hinduism" is invented by British, But hinduism as a religion can be traced back upto Manu, and it is referred as "Sanatan" dharma. Coming back to your point what is the fight for? If you have seen prep-school children fight among themselves in the context of "My Dad is Greatest"; well as they grow older the context merely changes "My God is Greatest". Remember with time most of only grow older and not wiser.
RE:So What is the Fight for??
by dhananjaya sabat on Dec 23, 2007 10:52 AM Permalink
Dear contractor, you were given no contracts to define hinduism. It existed from the era before christ and mohammeds forefathers had taken birth. Think that Budha & jain Mahavir tried to remove inequalities in sanatan/hindu dharm. About sanskrit- its an sanskrut word by itself. Even more than 20% ofthe words of oxford english dictionary are derived from sanskrit. About aryans and dravids, neither you nor your favourite nehruvian and english historians ever could proove their aryan invasion theory. get your datas correct. and if u are a parsi, just remember who allowed parsis to settle in India? Jamorin- and hindu kind. Ha....ha... ha... Dont put mud at hindus, u stay in hindustan.
RE:So What is the Fight for??
by Khandu Patel on Dec 22, 2007 06:24 PM Permalink
Since "Hindus" have not been able to agree a word to identify with our religion which as Sanata Dharma is a mouthful, the word everyone else incorrectly use to describe the first religion of Bharat as Hindus will have to do. I think you will agree that Muslims, Christians and Jews will agree that they are not Hindus. This should settle it, whatever the Indian Government would have the people of Bharat believe in their textbooks or in their political dogma.
RE:So What is the Fight for??
by prakash on Dec 22, 2007 02:52 PM Permalink
Well, Miya contractor, if the word Hindu is a secular one & noncommunal one , why you dont accept yourself to be a Hindu? What BAKAVAS you & and Miya Javed Akhtar like people do is based on a FAKE history got written by Nehru & a squad of commerades under his command!! Pl get an AUTHENTIC BOOK OF HISTORY ( not a govt text book!!) & realise what you were or what you really (made up of) are!!
I am indebted to Srinivasa for the information on how caste was introduced into politics. It was successful because the British found fertile ground on which to deploy it which had to come from the nature of Hindu society of which caste is a factor as it is indeed today.
I agree that traditional Hindu understanding of Hindu morality is relative from even a cursory reading of Manu's laws, and Hindu society remain a people who failed to make a leap from tradition/custom based law. Morality and ethics under the Western based rule of law live side by side with traditional practices. That this is the case has less to do with whether Hindu morality is relativist against the West's absolutes but to the of sort of society they represent. The Hindu superego has resided in their caste identity which as all the pages of the matrimonial columns show has been about the preservation of divisions. The awakening of a common Hindu identity can only be positive and we have Modi to thank. Hinduvta is too whooly a ideal. I ask the writer, when has self interest been a crime? As Christian's and Muslims are clear about theirs, we have every right to sit separately and identify our own too.
RE:Srinivasa's Polemic
by dhananjaya sabat on Dec 23, 2007 10:58 AM Permalink
worst enemies of indian society at present: 1. VP Singh - for mandal 2. Arjun singh - for all that he did last year 3. A Ramadoss - need to get treated in a mental hospital 4. sonia gandhi - Should drop her surname or face a DNA test to prove that she is a true gandhi
U are very right when you say"He is not a Problem ". Problem is a liberal problem is a communist, problem is a mainstream media,problem is a social activist, problem is an intellectual, problem is an informed source, problem is a so called secular and SOLUTION only one MODI . Alas there is only one MODI for plentiful Problems (Srinaivas-Raghvan included)
RE:RE:RE:RE:hope
by shivaraj on Dec 21, 2007 02:00 PM Permalink
LTTE fighting for the cause for equal rights. they are not attacking India . only IPKF blindly and idioticaly went there. they not only killed the innocent tamils but also they themself died. challeng idotically by late Mr.Rajiv Ghandi, (unlike his motherIndira Ghandi, very very Inteligent) that he will hand over total LTTE caders within 24 hours. is it still 24 hours not over.
RE:hope
by prakash on Dec 22, 2007 03:00 PM Permalink
well, until I read this post of shivaraj , I was a symathiser for Tamilians fighting in SL. They are by and large Hindus & hence I did & do support them. But this kind of ill-thinking in minds of such Tamilians compells ALL OF US to re-think about our hearty support!! Shiva, ( your name sounds like that of a Hindu even if you deny!) Bal Thakarey in those days publicly supported the Tamilians ( LTTE) being Hindus that too BRAVE HINDUS!! You cant igore all that encompaases the term Hindu!!
RE:hope
by Shankar on Dec 23, 2007 09:57 AM Permalink
Prakash thatswhy bal wanted all the "LUNGEES" outta mumbai??? yeah, he supported tamilians!!!lol!!! please know the truth of urside of the arguement!!!
RE:hope
by Vaibhav Pradhan on Dec 20, 2007 06:56 PM Permalink
The fact that you ommitted Karunanidhi who openly supports LTTE tells me your motives behind this post. Get lost you moron.
