What is there in conversion, which can be called novel? Really speaking what sort of social relations have you with the caste Hindus at present? You are as separate from the Hindus as Muslims and Christians are. So is their relation with you. Your society and that of the Hindus are two distinct groups. By conversion, nobody can say or feel that one society has been split up. You will remain as separate from the Hindus as you are today. Nothing new will happen on account of this conversion. If this is true, then why should people be afraid of conversion? At least, I do not find any reason for such a fear...
RE:Ambedkar on conversion
by bullseye on Dec 21, 2007 12:07 PM Permalink
inequality among living beings and human beings have no answer in xtianity.based on bible mahatma gandhi should be in hell becouse he did not believe jesus and he worshipped lord ram in idol.as per bible 'all idol worshippers must be comdemned to hell''.it is the duty of all hindus to learn more about hinduism besides about christianity/islam so that they can explain to the misguided people from other faith for reconverion back to hinduism which are their old roots.
RE:Ambedkar on conversion
by Avinash on Dec 17, 2007 08:26 PM Permalink
Today conversion is a multi-billion dollar business. The Churches and Pastors in India earn hundreds of thousands of dollars in the name of poor and offer them peanuts!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
RE:RE:Ambedkar on conversion
by JGN on Dec 17, 2007 08:32 PM Permalink
Cape, can you give me three valid reasons for conversion? I am giving an open challenge to any evangalist to try to convert me. If anybody is able to convert me to Christianity, I will agree that the same is beneficial to the humanity as a whole and will devote the rest of my life for propagation of Christianity!
RE:Ambedkar on conversion
by rashmi sahu on Dec 18, 2007 08:56 AM Permalink
dear cape comorin when evangelist, converstion supporters of islam and chritanity speak they speak woth intellect and mind.Dear cape comorin dr ambedkar is not a God realised soul so all his knowledge is a product of mind.You all quote people who all talk on the basis of intellect, mind, perception whereas when a God soul realised speaks he is speaking with brahma leen experience.Jesus was a siddha yogi.All the teachings of hate , conversion, number game is not preached by jesus.I challenge you all come and debate with me else read these siddha yogis life, who were brahmaleen, taken birth within these 400 years:
swami Nityananda of ganeshpuri, shirdi sai baba, lord swaminarayan Gajanan maharaj of shegaon, Ramman maharashi Lahiri mahashyay swami sammarth of akkalkot/shri guru
please dont misguide on the name of Jesus he was god realised but his followers were not and had no control of perceptions, senses and indriyan.
All the siddha yogi quoted above represent hishest ideal of human values and god realisation as per the vedas and astanga yoga, the time tested immortal tradition of eternal path/dharma.
RE:RE:Ambedkar on conversion
by Cape Comorin on Dec 18, 2007 10:30 AM Permalink
Ambedkar was a well-learned person. He learnt hinduism more than you did. He experienced harrassment beause that he was born in dalit family. I do not say that one has to accept all his views. But I agree his views on hinduism. I even admire Gandhi but not his views on religion. The people you mentioned could not make many follow them but Jesus did. That is the difference. And only Jesus sacrifieced His worldly life for the salvation of people. This is why now more than 2 billion people are christians. And even among hindus many people wish to be christians and majority of them accept Jesus as an avatar or a great person. Even muslims accept Jesus as a prophet.
RE:Ambedkar on conversion
by Cape Comorin on Dec 18, 2007 10:24 AM Permalink
Christianity is for those who want peace of mind, for those who want to experience the spritual joy, for those who want to realize the real God. To convert to christianity one should submit to GOD. It is not possible if you give importance to arrogance, self-pride, and adamant character. No one can convert you if you are adamant not to. But millions of people are willing to realize Jesus Christ all over the world. Even many people ask me for Bible and even wish to know about Jesus Christ. Those people are well-educated and well-to-do and why they seek Jesus Christ? Think about it. The thing is gospel should be given only for those who wish to know about it. Jesus never compel anyone to listen to gospel. But thousands of people followed Him. Even the biggest criminals have converted into christianity and now lead a decent life. Intead of only reading the criticism against christianity, better read gospel and the life of those who convert to christianity, probably your mindset may change.
RE:Ambedkar on conversion
by rashmi sahu on Dec 18, 2007 12:47 PM Permalink
Sorry you are ill informed there is difference in learned and self realisation which is done on the path of astanga yoga. Till mahabharat almost majority of people were involved in this Lord Krishna, sage vashistha, sage vysa, sage parashar all were God realised soul.Ambedkar was learned but not God realised.A learned person can be biased but a brahma gyani can be never.When siddha yogi(already realised souls) take birth they guide fools like you and me. Jesus himself was a God realised soul.The one who has achieved oneness with brahma can not preach hatred and violence so Jesus never preached. Moreover he imparted same knowledge which all above siddhas taught to us but in different place and in different language
Do read with out bias the biographies of above siddha yogi further do yoga your veil of illusion which every human being is covered will be slowly lifted, by your efforts and hard practice of Astanga Yoga you achieve the state which Jesus had achieve, the astha siddhis, oneness with God.
Jesus is not different from other siddha yogi.We shoul always listen to brahma gyanis not learned intellectuals, becose by there power of self realisation they know past present future.This God realisation gives them all astha siddhis.At times to conviince fools like you and me they perform them to show God is there, vedas and Yogas are truth.
First read those biographies as told, then coorelate Jesus.Further do yoga.We humans have created enough boundaries with limited p
RE:RE:Ambedkar on conversion
by Cape Comorin on Dec 18, 2007 01:01 PM Permalink
I agree that there are some similarities in all the religions. Serving poor people is a divine work. This was done perfectly by Ambedkar. So he is better than yogis. Jesus resurrected from death. And Jesus sacrificed his worldly life for people. That make him different from what you call yogis. What we call prayer is not much different from what you call yoga. We used to close our eyes and pray God without any idols. Without concentration one cannot do this. By praying God telling all your sorrows and agony to God in a silent place you are having a spritual relationship with God. Wherever you go you will have a feeling that a Power is with you to guide you.
RE:RE:Ambedkar on conversion
by rashmi sahu on Dec 18, 2007 12:59 PM Permalink
We humans have created enough boundaries with limited perception and intellect.Now for God sake stop this nonsense of dividing people on caste creed religion.Jesus never taught any thing other than this.He should be respected by everybody but not portrayed the way christian missionaries do.Spiritual world is different from physical world.Anything happens which is beyond your comprehension . How can you understand The siddha yogi Jesus when you have failed to understand Rama, Krishna and the importance of this land called bharat which means ved vani. and many more siddha yogis of India. Yes in this world every thing exist Good and bad but without knowing the truth you can not conclude. The truth of vedas and yoga is to be realised, just brahmins have abused varna ashram it doesnt mean everybody is wrong.What you do in your life is paid by you in ten folds whether gooness or wickedness.
I am talking of spirituality not religiosity. But people like you how can Know and understand Jesus who just have bookish Knowledge devoid of spiritual sadhna and self realisation rather full with i Ego and intellect. we fail to understand every God realised soul.First develop understanding then comment. Do read and search for truth, truth unlike falseness never spread fast but always shine like sun inspite of dark clouds.
RE:Ambedkar on conversion
by galilio on Dec 18, 2007 02:06 PM Permalink
christianity do not believe in rebirth and karma and janma.hence in the absence of all above, there is no question of 'soul'in the body.hence body goes directly to permanent hell or heaven based on mercy of lord (not on his karma becouse christianity do not believe karma/janma). AS a born hindu,he has come to earth in the form of 'athma'(immortel soul)with antheryami (god living inside his soul in heart)and taken a human body which is like a shirt to him. when an hindu convert in to xtianity,his soul still carry bondage of recyle of birth and his karma besides his innersoul (antheryami)which resides god inside will remain same and unchanged. so only the body (like outer garment shirt to the soul (athma))alone carry the tag of christian name/induced/self forced faith in his mind (mind and soul are different)with the thought of christ jesus in his mind while inner conscious remain residing hindu god knowingly or unknowingly as brahmam (parmathma) resides from the birth itself in our souls. hence conversion from hinduism to xtianity is like satan taking shelter in the heart of a convert for some time or permanently.while christianity consider SATAN( sanskrit word meaning -not truth)as anti-christ or their enemy while for hindus,it is vice versa on above reasons.visit website-joyofsatan.org
RE:Ambedkar on conversion
by Avinash on Dec 18, 2007 08:32 PM Permalink
Cape Comorin, Pl read the book "Worshipping Flase Gods" by Mr. Arun Shourie to understand the real nature of Dr. Ambedkar. Btw there are now a dozen fractions of RPI in Maharashtra and each one of them swear that they are the true followers of Dr. Ambedkar. So much for his contribution to the welfare of Dalits!!!!!
