RE:RE:Congress playing Caste to divide Hindus and rallying Muslims/Xtians religiously
by austronaut on Dec 13, 2007 11:16 PM Permalink
congress has seen and taken their own advantage from the poor and illiterate people of india....
RE:Congress playing Caste to divide Hindus and rallying Muslims/Xtians religiously
by ADITYA OBEROI on Dec 14, 2007 02:11 PM Permalink
WHAT IS WRONG WITH U TATHAGATA? U HAVE STARTED ARGUING IN FAVOUR OF HINDUS. IS ANYTHING WRONG? HAVE U RECONVERTED TO HINDUISM.
RE:Congress playing Caste to divide Hindus and rallying Muslims/Xtians religiously
by Pop Head on Dec 13, 2007 11:23 PM Permalink
It is not that Hindus got smarter. Hindus were always smart. However this cannot be said of Jehadi Hindus as represented by Modi and his Modi brigade. Pure morons. Prverted Hinduism. Constituted by lumpen elements of society, driven by hatred, violence and abusive ommunication.
RE:Congress playing Caste to divide Hindus and rallying Muslims/Xtians religiously
by heider on Dec 13, 2007 11:22 PM Permalink
We thought like this 9 years back. Lot of us predicted BJP had burried congress party forever. But after five years BJP wiped out from Delhi. The outcome of Gujrat election will not affect congress phenomina. It is well rooted and can surge up again after grave defeats. India is not Gujarat.
RE:Congress playing Caste to divide Hindus and rallying Muslims/Xtians religiously
by Comment on Dec 14, 2007 10:13 AM Permalink
Heider
You r true india is not Gujrat. Even i not Gujrati. But admire N.M. Yesterday when i saw the plight of martyr's in Parliamnet attack . I would say shame on Cong and people who support them. Even statstics show that cong gets maximum support from illiterates as they cannot understand teh truth.
The fact is if u will ask the people of any state - taht who is the CM of neighbour state...but if u will ask people of any state - who is the CM of Gujarat.. everybody knows - .....this says everything....
RE:fact
by Pop Head on Dec 13, 2007 11:13 PM Permalink
It says also nothing. You can be either be well known for your goodness or for evil deeds. Unfortunately, Modi's brand recognition falls in the latter category.
RE:fact
by austronaut on Dec 13, 2007 11:13 PM Permalink
Aam Aadmi of india knows Narendra modi - thats the fact...accept it or not.. but thats the reality...
I know Modi is going to win this election, even if with lesser margin. But he has to remain in this pit. that is Gujarat. But the time will come the people awake from mass hysteria or euphoria. Now even if the overall debt has increased by double fold, people chose to elect Modi again. But Modi will fade out evantually during the course of time, for sure . Lets wait and see
RE:Modi is winning
by ADITYA OBEROI on Dec 14, 2007 02:13 PM Permalink
INDIA IS A DEMOCRACY HEIDER. THERE IS NO RESTRICTION ON DAY DREAMING. SO CARRY ON.
RE:Modi is winning
by hiral satisbhai joshi on Dec 13, 2007 11:21 PM Permalink
Dont worry about debt because congress will increase debt, price-index, crime rate, terrorist attacks, unemployment, farmer suicide etc. So gujarati people being smart as usual has made smart choice.
RE:Modi is winning
by Pop Head on Dec 13, 2007 11:18 PM Permalink
He is going to lose and lose badly. You see that in the body language of both Modi and the National BJP. The provisional voting figures were 60%. Usually the final is 3-5% hugher. If this is as past experience, it shows record or above average turnout. Usually when voting spikes over average, it means anti-incumbency in play. In simple terms, Modi will get white washed in Phase 1 - getting 60 seats, much higher than 42 as predicted by NDTV! For Modi to remain in the race, he needs to clean sweep Phase II. Anything is possible. However, the probability is low. Sonia is laughing
RE:RE:Modi is winning
by hiral satisbhai joshi on Dec 13, 2007 11:24 PM Permalink
For your Kind information this is not record turnout. In 2002 average voting was 64%. Dont expose your ignorance to suit your illogical conclusions. Forum is laughing.
RE:Modi is winning
by Pop Head on Dec 13, 2007 11:31 PM Permalink
That's right. We need to await final voting %. What I said it is usually 3-5% higher than the first provisional figures. So if the provisional figure is 60%, it could be a record turnout. But given 2002 figures were 62%, the final figure would certainily exceed this.
But I want support from you all that if this time Modi gets elected, lets start the campaign so that we can request Modi to include all the sections of society to the fullest. So that no-muslim organization in gujarath will entertain this pseudo-media and Advani can be PM soon. Lets involve all in development because somewhere we have to accept the fact that for India to progress we require progress of all sections of society. Lets develop a positive petition which will emphasises on complete Gujarath development and I sincerely believe that currently it is only possible under modi. Modi is committed to development and we have to take advantage of that fact. Support development only and not any political party. What you all guys think?
RE:Lets Join Hands
by Pop Head on Dec 13, 2007 11:11 PM Permalink
Good Try. But no thank you. You guys know that Phase 1 you Modi brigade got a white wash - much worse than NDTV projected. If NDTV gave 42 seats - this in reality could be around 6o seats. EC's provisional voting figures is 60%. Usually the final is around 3-5% higher. If this is true, Modi needs to sweep Phase II to draw level. That is of corse possible, but highly improbable
RE:RE:Lets Join Hands
by Suresh Pandya on Dec 13, 2007 11:23 PM Permalink
Please be clear, And I agree with "austronaut" that you should Join NDTV. Did you see Star News Poll. They said BJP lost ground but is most likely going to win. What do you say about that. It seems like in your statement you said NDTV gave Congress 42 seats, and in reality could be around 60? what are you trying to say, NDTV guys don't know their math???
RE:Lets Join Hands
by . on Dec 13, 2007 11:59 PM Permalink
pop head, in a way, even modi's seats can increase by 5%. y incrase in only cong seats. y selective analysis.
RE:Lets Join Hands
by austronaut on Dec 13, 2007 11:17 PM Permalink
y dont u join NDTV?? they have recruited people like you only uneducated and idiots...
RE:Lets Join Hands
by Suresh Pandya on Dec 13, 2007 11:19 PM Permalink
That is correct. Modi is the right person for that. Congress doesn't even have a candidate for CM post. And we should join hands with every section of the society to make India Better.
RE:In India caste and relegion works especially in north
by Pop Head on Dec 13, 2007 10:55 PM Permalink
Godse kids may have a new leader. Modi may not fade away but destined to lose the elections and face a torrent time in meeting many legal challenges - possibly jail. His political careeer is over!
@sherry Your post is sensible and Hindus are on the tract you have mentioned and that is the reason Muslimn or Xtrians are still in India. We are not against any religion but we are against intrusion of other religions on hinduism. If you analyse the history carefully you will realize that strong hinduism (political) among common people has emerged quite recently and the only reason for that is Muslims or Xtrians are not ready to raise above their religion to condenm wrong things. I will ask you one simple question; Please let me know which Muslim organization has condenm terrorism in strongest possible words? which muslim organization has condenm nonsense fatwas? They will not, as they are not allowed by their religion. The problem starts here. About Xtritanity if you will talk, they have killed maximum number of people in this world; in Iraq , in lebanon, sudan, syria etc (this is even now). Bush gets relected because he says he is strong believer in Xtranity. We can debate endlessly on this issue. Also please consider one more aspect that many hindus are anti-modi because of post-godra riots, but how many muslims have raised the voice agianst burning the train? How many Xtrian groups have prosted against burning the train. Please introspect and think. We hindus are not facist but its just the reaction to the facism of other religion. Please think
RE:@sherry Thomas
by Pop Head on Dec 13, 2007 10:58 PM Permalink
Hindus are not fascists and never can be. However you Modi chamchas, RSS and BJP variety are not Hindus. Not perverted Hindus who compromised its core values of tolerance and universal brotherhood
RE:@sherry Thomas
by Abhay Jere on Dec 13, 2007 11:10 PM Permalink
No dear friend, It is just fall out of the frustration in heart of common people. If it was very limited to small section of society, how Modi wins? Please understand, common hindus as feeling in his mind that even after not troubling anyone, Muslims and Xtrians are not ready to raise about religious politics. Nowadays hindus talk about hindu unity to defeat facism of other religion.....please we really need to think very seriously on this issue. We all need to introspect....but I assure you one thing, that is leaders with Muslim or Xtrians will not openly condenm some wrong deeds of their community, facism in hindus is going to grow. But if hindus are convinced that the other relogions are equally moderate (I am talking about common man and not politicians), they this facism will die down. Please believe what I am saying as I am no politican but a scientist working in area of HIV research and I only favor development and not any political party. I am supporting Modi now just because he has shown development very crucial for our next generation. If he will stop doing that I will tell you his support base will be reduced. Another aspects which hurts me is still cOngress talk about nonsense. they have no development plans. None of the leader said that if Modi gives 5 colleges we will 10 or we will give IIT or 10 more medical colleges or hospitals or better agri facilities. What congress declares is that we will give free color TV. This very painfull. Please think
Satya - and many more -- goes "I wish the Congress comes to power here in Gujarat, just so that it can re-open all the cases against the rioters and against Modi. "
and ..."Justice and MORALITY have to be restored in Gujarat. "
I was wondering what are your thoughts on 84 Anti-sikh riots, has any one een tried so far or should be tried ?
Also what are thoughts on...Afzal Guru, person who is one of who attachked on Indian Parliament..
or you just want to apply or RULE OF LAW selectively in Gujarat and to Modi only !!!!
by the way Congress ruled India for 50 out of 60 years- 39 yrs just by Nehru family (17 Jawahar ,17 Indira, 5 Rajiv)
Congress ruled 40 some years in Gujarat out of 47 years.
Haven't you had enough of Congress or you believe in FAMILY DYNASTY.
RE:Justice ??
by Pop Head on Dec 13, 2007 10:59 PM Permalink
Why change the topic. The context is Gujurat where an urgent need for change is warranted.
RE:RE:Justice ??
by hiral satisbhai joshi on Dec 13, 2007 11:08 PM Permalink
Why? Are you serious? What is so urgency about Gujarat? You want poor people of Nandigram die at the cost of gujarat elections? Why? You have two evil characteristics, hypocrisy and shamelessness.
RE:Justice ??
by . on Dec 13, 2007 11:07 PM Permalink
dont change the topic by urself. modi bashing is fashion of media. y buddha is not bashed by them. this shows media is unnecessarily against modi.
RE:Justice ??
by Easow Isaac on Dec 13, 2007 11:03 PM Permalink
BJP has been in power in Gujarat since 1990 thats 17 years. BJP also has several states where they promote Dynastics rules. Anti Sikh riot trials have been going on and a few Congress leaders have already been convicted or their political careers have been finished..no point in blaming Sonia or MMS for the riots of '84. Both were not Congress leaders then. Punish each one for the crimes they commited and not their political parties. Parties like BJP and Congress have millions of people and thousands of leaders..who are you going to punish. Modi is accountable for the 2002 riots and also several fake encounters. He has to face trial for several cases that will be eventually filed against him if not in 2007 it could be 5 years later in 2012. But any criminal will be punished eventually. He cannot escape.
RE:RE:Justice ??
by hiral satisbhai joshi on Dec 13, 2007 11:12 PM Permalink
BJP is not in power for 17 years they were with JD-Guj for just 2 years, 1990-1992. Afterwards they werenot and came back to power in 1995. Nowhere BJP promoted dynastic rule. None of the congress leader punished in Anti-sikh riots so stop excusing for that matter. Shed the hypocrisy and come-out clean. Sonia was a very much leader at the time of 84'riots by the same virtue she is claiming leadership now.
RE:Justice ??
by hiral satisbhai joshi on Dec 13, 2007 10:56 PM Permalink
Satya etal., are perfect examples of hypocrites. Have you ever seen any secular channel asking similar treatment for Butcher of Bengal Mr. Buddhadeb?
U watch any news channel, all channels are spreading venom of communalism in thye name of Modi. Marketing deptt of these channels are working overtime, My question is whether media is responsible enough and whether they have played their part fairly?
RE:Who is communal?
by Sahadevan KK on Dec 14, 2007 02:18 PM Permalink
Prime Minister is ready; Mukhiya (Head of the family) is also ready. Cadres are not ready, because their entire ideology is flop. Central leadership calculated and slapped in the nucleus of the Gujarat cadres. BJP's look was fixed on her (Nandigram's) face. Keshubhai like leaders are ignored. They did not recognise what occured in their own soil.
I am no big fan of either the BJP or the Congress. But being a morally upright man, I wish the Congress comes to power here in Gujarat, just so that it can re-open all the cases against the rioters and against Modi. I have seen it all with my own eyes in 2002. (By the way, I am a practicing Hindu, before u call me ur fav commie, Jehadi, missionary etc.)
Justice and MORALITY have to be restored in Gujarat. The demise of virtues should be halted. Dictatrors and power-mongers like Modi beFOOL naive people all the time. Today Modi, tomorrrow some Todi or Bodi. Such demons should be shown the way and taught a lesson. If people like Modi are allowed free in society, it is a very dangerous precedent and many more such maniacs will take to the streets. Truth Justice and Impartiality are the pillars of democracy and a civilised world. And these three things have been, are being and will continue to be bast*r*dised if hate maniacs like Modi are allowed to flourish. If they flourish, they brandish. Poor MMS and Sonia are nothing compared to this monster. MMS and Sonia are at least human and commit small-time appeasement of minorities.
RE:Modi
by Pop Head on Dec 13, 2007 10:06 PM Permalink
Satya. Ignore these morons. They are incapable of any civilized debate. They show their helplessness by abuses. Their common tactic is call anyone annd everyone offering a different opinion a Muslim or Christian etc. What can be said more on creatures how create an impression if tomorrow Modi has a heart attack, the future of Gujurat collapses. Gujus are so helpless unless the larger than life Modi is there as ditator. That all traditional Guju entreprenership is attributed to Modi. Without Modi, Gujurat is nothing. And that they call Gujurati pride!!!
RE:Modi
by Easow Isaac on Dec 13, 2007 10:47 PM Permalink
Thanks Satya for yor persistance in promoting civilised values. However the new Indian generation has forgotten our countries traditions and culture of tolerance and peace. Revenge and hatred are being upheld and glorified. If this is the way we go then we will soon be equated to Pakistan and a few other extremist countries in the middle east. I suppose our young generation would be happy to call themselves as extremists with Narendra Modi as their leader. It is a fight for the righteous and justisce over the evil and unjust. This war will continue and we should join hands with several sane and secular Indian leaders like AB Vajpayee, Abdul Kalam, Sonia Gandhi, Manmohan Singh etc who preach tolerance, love and peace. Iam sure the good Indian sense will eventuially prevail over the criminals. All offenders, whether in Congress or BJP or any party should be covicted and punished and N Modi is no exception.
RE:Modi
by Pop Head on Dec 13, 2007 11:05 PM Permalink
Easow great stuff. But in this blog, Modi has paid bloggers to abuse stuff like this. He has to pay because no one will volunteeer to write in his behalf. Just ignore them and that rattles them as the exceptionally high turnout during the 1st phase. Whenever winds of change appear, turnout figures spurt over average. If provisional voting % is 60 and the final is 65% as it is usually the case, Modi gets a white washing in Phase I. Modi is on the run.
RE:Modi
by rose patel on Dec 13, 2007 10:10 PM Permalink
Can you say the same words to the victims of Godhara train, to the no. of innocent hindus killed in riots before Godhara happened. remember maximum rioting happened during Congress regime. It seems u r watching too much NDTV, Times Now etc.
RE:Modi
by deepak on Dec 13, 2007 10:07 PM Permalink
What do you practice as a Hindu..... Congresswadis worship their italian deity, who is a waitress, and has lied to nation numerous time about her life including education... If you had stuck with realities, you would have known that no FIR, and subsequently, arrests had been made of 1984 riot.. That is a congress for you.. In Gujarat, there are people who are compagining aginst Modi, for not protecting sangh members for punishment
RE:Modi
by Vasanth Srinivas on Dec 13, 2007 09:52 PM Permalink
Can you say the same to Pandits in kashmir....? Go and talk "Secularism" to the victims of the Parliament Attack, Bomb-Blasts and riots. Your @ss will be kicked off.
RE:Modi
by Abhay Jere on Dec 13, 2007 10:19 PM Permalink
@satya, You may be morally upright but your knowledge of events in Indian histroy is limited. Before Modi is punished, congress should be punished for Sikh Riots in delhi, and muslim riots in Bhagalpur in bihar and for wrong policies in kashmir. Please read the history and events carefully and you will realise that you r on absolutely wrong track.
Hilal War, a Kashmiri separatist leader, in his book " Great Disclosoures,Secrets Unmasked" unfolds the kidnapping DRAMA of Rubia Syeed, managed and directed by her father the then Indian Home Minister, Mufti Mahamad Syed. Hilal War in his book " Great Disclosoures,Secrets Unmasked" says that the kidnapping drama was hatched by Mufti Syed, Director General Of J&K Police Ghulam Jeelani Pandit, JKLF chairman Mohd. Yasin Malik, Mian Sarwar an separatist activist of yester years. The Drama of kidnapping ended with the release of five dreaded militants, giving an impetus to the terrorism in Kashmir. In fact Mufti Syed had sown the seeds of the terrorism in the year 1987 when a large number of Hindu temples were burnt and looted in the southern part of Kashmir. In 1989 on becoming the Home Minister in the VP Singh cabinet,he made it sure to give rise to Islamic terrorism in Kashmir, though being a member of the Union Cabinet. How Government and people of India have been fooled by the terrorists that they have through out remained in the government, both at center and state. At present the terrorist's party is running government in J&K Sate in collation with Indian National Congress! How the Government of India and the state government react to the unmasking of secrets by Hilal War remains to be seen. But it is a fact that,only in Secular India such Dramas are a success and serve the purpose of anti nationals while remaining in power.
RE:Separtist leader reveals the truth
by sanjay choudhry on Dec 13, 2007 09:47 PM Permalink
Mufti Mohd. Sayyed is famous as The Butcher of Anantnag. It is a shame this communal facist became the home minister of the country under Congress rule. This shows how much Muslims love secularism.
RE:Separtist leader reveals the truth
by Pop Head on Dec 13, 2007 11:06 PM Permalink
Correction BJP rule not Congress rule. However Mufti is now a coalition partner of Congress in J&K
