Lets define "India" from an historic perspective...
My correction. I should have said "SINDH" that includes parts of Afganistan and Pakistan.
Islam was introduced to the south-east in 629AD.
During the period of early Rajput supremacy in north India, during the seventh, the first Muslim invasions were carried out simultaneously with the expansion towards Central Asia. In 664, forces led by Mohalib began launching raids from Persia, striking Multan in the southern Punjab in what is today Pakistan.
In 711, an expedition led by Muhammad bin Qasim defeated Raja Dahir at what is now Hyderabad in Sindh and established Umayyad rule by 712. Qasim subdued the whole of what is modern Pakistan, from Karachi to Kashmir, reaching the borders of Kashmir within three years. After his recall, however, the region devolved into the semi-independent Arab ruled states of Mansura and Multan.
RE:Message for Veera
by Srini J on Dec 11, 2007 10:29 PM Permalink
U mentioned why governament not controlled the riots.. I want to say They are unable to control the killing of 58 kar sevaks and 300 hindus. Got it.
RE:RE:Message for Veera
by James Baker on Dec 11, 2007 11:41 PM Permalink
It was not introduced. It was dumped INTO our throat!! people were forced to convert, if not were killed. Every village had a skull mountain in the entrance made by the barbaric acts of the inavaders.
Its a misconception because when you go against minorityism, you are perceived as favouring majority.
BJP calls for uniform civil code, and zero tolerance for minoritism.
I urge my muslims countrymen to pls pls pls vote for BJP only.
Its high time Muslims shed their hatred for BJP.
I want muslims to be wise enuff to think that they are not weak to need special reservation or support from govt to prosper.
We have no law or that says that muslims should not be given such and such job. Its all upto the muslims to strive for prosperity. If hindus have focussed on prosperity, does not mean that have exploited muslims. just that they have tried for better life.
So all muslims pls shun minortyism and vote for BJP.
RE:BJP does not call for preferential treatment of hindus
by gunjan pandey on Dec 11, 2007 10:23 PM Permalink
Are jealous or afraid that you won't get reservation because you belong to majority community???
Dear, we dont need reservations at all if we have dont have disparity in government jobs, education, business, etc...
I too feel there shouldn't be any reservation in our country. But, can you give me one single way to improve our system? If there is any poverty only we are responsible for the same.
If there is any illiteracy, only we are responsible. We say, India is shining? Where are we shining? Who is creating our new India? Are we involved in recreation of the country?
It is me and you only who vote for the party and not the leaders. And, party then take their own interests... What the party is going to give you in 5 yrs? If you vote for the right candidate atleast you will get your return....
Neither I am a BJP supporter nor I support Congress in any election. I vote for the candidate, who I think is better for the people and me.
Only we are creating India not any political party nor any community...
I would like to take exception to your assumption. There have been Muslim Rulers and Muslim Invaders just like any other King or Empire. But to say that Islam was spread with a sword is a stretch.
I have a few examples.
1. Egypt - Egypt has been under Muslim Rule for the last 1400 years. Even today, you can find 14 Million Christians in Egypt. If Islam was spead by force, where did these 14 Million (15% of Population)Coptic Christians come from ? Source: Wikipedia.com
2. Spain - Spain was ruled by the Muslims for 800 years before they were driven out. If Islam was spread by sword, do you think that in 800 years, there would be any Non-Muslim in Spain ?
3. India - India was ruled by the Muslims for over 1000 years. But when the greater India was partitioned in 1947, 25% became Pakistan and 75% is what is India today. Think about it, if Islam was spread by sword, don't you think that in a 1000 years there would be more than 25% Muslims ?
4. Indonesia - Indonesia is the most populous Muslim Country. Which Islamic Army marched unto the shores of Indonesia ?
5. Nigeria - Islam is one of the 3 prominent religions in Nigeria. Which Muslim Army marched into Nigeria to spread Islam.
These are baseless allegation. Allah says in the Holy Quran that There is no compulsion in Islam. With some of my %u201CMis-Guided%u201D fellow Muslim brothers, who are using violence, it is convenient for all non-Muslims to label Muslims are violent and also make the assertion that
RE:if wat hindus think
by Raju Dalit on Dec 11, 2007 10:18 PM Permalink
It is not a question of how many non-muslims are there in an Islamic country. It is how FREE they are in their day to day affairs.
see the most so called soft-islamic nation malayasia how it treats its hindu minority. Everything nice untill they asked for some right.
Nigeria, is the most horrendous riot place between christians and muslims. The muslims have installed SHARIA state unofficially in Kano state.
It was in Bali the Indonesian al-quaeda blasted innocent party goers. Let us know how Islam really spread there? How much curelty and qutle-aam?
In India muslims are known to have butchered between 25-36 million hindus thru the centuries.So many forcibly converted.
Why go far, see what happened to Hindus in Pakistan and Bangladesh? What hindus are doing there.When non-functional babri mosque,built on ram-mandir was demolished, the pakis and bangladeshes brought down at least 150 functional temples.
In egypt there are 9% of Christians and not much freedom there. they can never criticise muslims there, but our Indian muslims happily and gleefully write the dirties sentences that only muslims can write about Krishna, ram and sita etc.
RE:RE:if wat hindus think
by Srini J on Dec 11, 2007 10:26 PM Permalink
that is correct man.. u r true. Muslims when they are less in number they play minority card. When they are more in no they play sharia..
They are unpardonable. What is happening may be bad.. But that is what has to be happened on them.
RE:RE:if wat hindus think
by Srini J on Dec 11, 2007 10:39 PM Permalink
Yes man.. I can I wrote thesis on this UN. This in regard to study on welfare of woman in afganistan. The period was when Taliban was in its final years of rule in Afganistan.
I can tell a common thing there..
According muslim religion u can have four wives. They differ that.
One shaik has almost 11 wives all staying underone roof. What woman say is shaik comes to a house rapes the woman and takes her to his home and marries her. One day all these women got angry in rebound they killed him. Taliban came to know about this. They took all 11 women people to near by foot ball stadium and shot them all at the close. This is what they is written in Quran.. or Sharia.
This is just an example. Like these there are plenty
RE:RE:if wat hindus think
by Rupakshi on Dec 11, 2007 10:48 PM Permalink
I think you should read history. Islamic rule stated from Afghnistan. It started from 712 in the current Indian subcontinent. Until 1650, it was plundering ruthlessly. Despite conquests, as India was innumerable kingdoms, and all of it was Hindu. Horse riders could not eliminate all Hindus. But in the modern age, Pakistan could eliminate Hindus in less than 10 years. Kashmir, which is Indian rule lost the Hindu population by terror. Why don't you go and live in Pakistan or Bangaladesh?
RE:if wat hindus think
by imran patel on Dec 11, 2007 10:17 PM Permalink
Lets define "India" from an historic perspective...
My correction. I should have said "SINDH" that includes parts of Afganistan and Pakistan.
Islam was introduced to the south-east in 629AD.
During the period of early Rajput supremacy in north India, during the seventh, the first Muslim invasions were carried out simultaneously with the expansion towards Central Asia. In 664, forces led by Mohalib began launching raids from Persia, striking Multan in the southern Punjab in what is today Pakistan.
In 711, an expedition led by Muhammad bin Qasim defeated Raja Dahir at what is now Hyderabad in Sindh and established Umayyad rule by 712. Qasim subdued the whole of what is modern Pakistan, from Karachi to Kashmir, reaching the borders of Kashmir within three years. After his recall, however, the region devolved into the semi-independent Arab ruled states of Mansura and Multan.
RE:RE:if wat hindus think
by Raju Dalit on Dec 11, 2007 10:24 PM Permalink
IMRAN, YOUR VERSION OF HISTORY IS ISLAMISED.
BUT YES, IF MUSLIMS KILL AND BUTHER OTHER PEOPLE THRU THE HORRIBLE PHYSICAL AND MENTAL POWERS TO KILL, THEY TAKE PRIDE IN THEIR 'BRAVERY' WHICH WE CALL BRUTALITY.
THE COUNTRIES ATTACKED BY MUSLIMS ARE NEVER KNOW TO HAVE ATTACKED THEM. MUSLIMS GATHERED BIG MILITARY KILLING POWER AND USED THEM MERCILESSLY AND PROUDLY TOO.
RE:RE:if wat hindus think
by deepak on Dec 11, 2007 10:22 PM Permalink
LOL Muslims of india do not even know when their linage ancestor's start getting penentrating by the invaders.. They keep repeating Islam ruled for 1000s of yrs.. what foolishness...
RE:if wat hindus think
by Raj Royale on Dec 11, 2007 10:09 PM Permalink
why is it that muslims cannot convert to other religions, in middle east and even in Malaysia or any other muslim country?
RE:if wat hindus think
by imran patel on Dec 11, 2007 10:13 PM Permalink
Muslims can convert to other religions in Islam. I know there is a verse in the Quran where Allah says to punish the converts. We need to take that in context. These "Converts" were not changing their religion, but were traitors and were providing intellegence about the Muslim armies to the Meccans. Hence they were executed.
RE:if wat hindus think
by Srini J on Dec 11, 2007 10:21 PM Permalink
u have shown ur true colors. If a person changes to Islam then it is good. And if a person from Islam is it traitors. That is what is know as colors of Islam. People can come into Islam but they are not permitted to go.
Go countries like Afganisthan.. I will show thousands of females who are not interested in Islam. Why .. the religion is barbaric. Go and ask. I stayed there for Six years for studying there cultures and Islam in Afganistan. Covered almost all of Afgan.
RE:RE:if wat hindus think
by Srini J on Dec 11, 2007 10:37 PM Permalink
Yes man.. I can I wrote thesis on this UN. This in regard to study on welfare of woman in afganistan. The period was when Taliban was in its final years of rule in Afganistan.
I can tell a common thing there..
According muslim religion u can have four wives. They differ that.
One shaik has almost 11 wives all staying underone roof. What woman say is shaik comes to a house rapes the woman and takes her to his home and marries her. One day all these women got angry in rebound they killed him. Taliban came to know about this. They took all 11 women people to near by foot ball stadium and shot them all at the close. This is what they is written in Quran.. or Sharia.
RE:if wat hindus think
by deepak on Dec 11, 2007 10:20 PM Permalink
yes we realize that Quran is written with consideration to arabia geographic, and comtemporary reality of that time. it is an arabic imperialism... And people of Indian subcontinent has only taken to "wannabe arab" program..
RE:RE:if wat hindus think
by Rupakshi on Dec 11, 2007 10:40 PM Permalink
Imram, you can fool yourself. you can not fool every one on the planet with your explanation. Remember, Quran has to be taken literally, any type or interpretation, your head will fall.
RE:if wat hindus think
by Rupakshi on Dec 11, 2007 10:38 PM Permalink
What happened to Hindus in Pakistan?-I am the last to say all Muslims are brutal and all that. But majority of Muslim rulers had not tolerance. The problem is not that there are no great Muslims, but they do not control Islam. Once muslims are a majority, Hindus will have to run for life or convert. From Kashmir some Hindus could run to other parts of India. When whole India becomes Muslim majority where would Hindus run to?. Their little girs will be pilleged, their temples will be destroyed-not by the elite, but by the Mullahs. I refuse to believe Modi is killing any Muslims or even discriminating against them. If Muslims have to have the privilege of putting bombs or charring people in trains, they have no place in a civilized world. But I personally have to go to Gujarat, if it is true that some one is discriminated because one is a Muslim. If so, we need to correct it. individual interviews as this article is, will give a biased view.
Hindus are bad, Hindus are evil, Hindus prey upon innocent Muslims... havent we heard this whine countless times before. No mention of how Muslims burnt alive 58 people at Godhra. No mention of 300 Hindus slaughtered by Muslims post-Godhra. No mention of the numerous Hindus who came forward to protect Muslim victims during and after the riots. All Gujarati hindus are evil, their progress made possible only by the marginalization of Muslims, living a comfortable life on the wealth looted from Muslims.... and on and on it goes, this unbelievable whine from Syed Firdaus Ashraf. No mention of the crime syndicates allied with pakistan and based out of Juhapura. No mention of the crime-ridden Ganchi community that makes a living out of drugs and crime and that till today shields the Godhra perpetrators.
RE:RE:Same old, same old...
by Classic Kitchens on Dec 11, 2007 10:19 PM Permalink
you got it right... well said!!!! any answers to this anyone so called secularist ...
RE:Same old, same old...
by immagina on Dec 11, 2007 10:14 PM Permalink
very true. media is another culprit , shows the false picture always and hides the real truth
RE:Same old, same old...
by sanjay choudhry on Dec 11, 2007 10:12 PM Permalink
Well said. People have seen through the game of secular fundamentalists and their dishonesty.
RE:Same old, same old...
by Johny Dayal on Dec 11, 2007 10:12 PM Permalink
The problem with Modi is that he is not carrying Muslims on his head & pampering them like terrorist Congress& Commies do. He is treating all Gujarathis equal which is a sin in the eyes of Muslims. Now they will demand a new Papistan
Whenever something happens to a muslim, it is never considerd as a individual case. It is always considered a minority issue or Muslim issue. There will be many Khans, Akters, Asmis and Syeds publicising it as Muslim issue. There will be many opertunistic and shameless psudo secularists also at the front. There are many Khans, Premjis, Hameeds and Koraikiwalas who have prospered by doing bussiness in India. Are they doing bussiness as Muslims or ndian citizens?. Why these fellows don't condemn any of the terrorist attacks. There is Akters and Asmis who are fond of going to court and earning a lot of publicity. Why they don't condemn any terrorist attacks. There is Dilip Kumar who is ideolised by many Indians, muslims and Hindus alike. When Pakistan wanted to honour him with a medal, why he could not refuse it saying that Pakistan is sponsoring state terrorism. Why he wanted to go and ask Vajpayee.
When Pakistan cricket captan while losing T20 finals, appologised to all muslims of the world, why none of the Indian muslims condemned it.
Muslims of this country has to realise that they are part of this country first. Why they don't work towards development of this country. Why they don't oppose infiltration from Pakistan and Bengladesh border.
The earlier they realise and understand the shameless devide and rule policies of Congress party, the better for them.
Indian muslims have been behaving like crybabies all along. They should stop this and start behaving
RE:Muslims should become part of mainstream citizens of the country.
by immagina on Dec 11, 2007 10:17 PM Permalink
your forgot to mention one more guy, "Majid Memon". He has nexus with the underworld.He takes cases of mozee rioters, tiger memon etc. he should be grilled for his relations with the underworld.
i think these muslim news makers are overdoing godhara. There are many events like that even bigger in magnitude that have happened in past.. but always Modi gets all the stick.
taking the godhara incident apart, there was nothing bad in the BJP rule.
its just a phobia that has been created to bad name BJP.
BJP has a hindu flavor, and thats the stuff that muslims think is bad. Dont worry, hindus are protective. Muslims population has grown in this country. Wudnt have been possible without friendly and supportive hindus.
and as far as ram temple is concerned, muslims must help to get that temple built. Anyways that temple is on an adjacent site and not directly over the masjid. So i donno why muslims dont wan temple to be built.
also babari masjid was a bad incident, it should be taken care of by the archeological survey of india.
I respect BJP for its stand on uniform civil code and no preferential treatment of minorities. One nation, equal citizen, same laws.
I request all muslims to vote for BJP and not support congress sponsered minorityism. nation above religion.
RE:all rubbish
by Milind Jadhav on Dec 11, 2007 10:26 PM Permalink
The more people hate modi.the better ..Lets realise one thing at least the hindus should now unite and show congress that by doing vote bank politics it is just demolishing the entire future we have .. why are they not thinking about the majority.. why why why ...
Why was the government not able to prevent the post-godhra riots ?
Isn't that a failure on part of the Government. Lets assume that Muslims were responsible for the Godhra Incident...does that mean the government can sanction retribution.
It was the job of the government to see that justice was served to the victims of Godhra by punishing the people who were responsible for that.
If Modi is a great Indian leader, he should have prevented that. He maybe a good Hindu leader but not an Indian leader.
And I would say the same about the Mumbai blast after the Babri Masjid issue. Governments have to be pro-active.
In this issue, the Gujarat Government failed its CONSTITUTIONAL obligation. That is what a government is responsible to uphold...NOT THE QURAN, NOT THE BIBLE, NOT THE BHAGAWAT GEETA...
RE:Why was the government not able to prevent the post-godhra riots ?
by Truth hurts on Dec 11, 2007 10:09 PM Permalink
Thanks man..can I assume you are againt having a seprate law for muslims in India by that measure?
RE:Why was the government not able to prevent the post-godhra riots ?
by Rupakshi on Dec 11, 2007 10:56 PM Permalink
There you go Mr. Patel Imran-you will have a fatwa on your head for saying that there should be one law.
RE:Why was the government not able to prevent the post-godhra riots ?
by Raj Royale on Dec 11, 2007 10:07 PM Permalink
because it was not able to control Godhra islamic religiously rightfull act either!
How can somebody collect 80 thousand criminals ? they can only be angry everyday people with pentup anger!
RE:Why was the government not able to prevent the post-godhra riots ?
by immagina on Dec 11, 2007 10:22 PM Permalink
very true, muslims r treated as vote machines, zaleel karte hain , y shud they b treated as vote bank for a party. they r not a herd of sheeps th8 people carry them wherevr they want. mozees , hav sum dignity , dont accept label of being a "fundamentalist". urge ur people to distance themselves frm people who plan conspiracies of hurting the nation. honest appeal to hindus and mozees , dont raise weapons against each other, beneficiary wil be th8 bloody politician sitting safely in the bulletproof car..
RE:RE:Why was the government not able to prevent the post-godhra riots ?
by Sougandh Pavithran on Dec 11, 2007 10:40 PM Permalink
Imran all said fine, now it%u2019s the duty of at least this generation of Muslims to obey the law of the land first and then give their heads and minds out to Mullahs and Maulvis who have their own interpretations of every other activities related to the community.
You reform yourself first; the rest of the people will automatically change. It%u2019s a mutual process. Yes people in your community also have committed mistakes. Not just destroying temples in the north, but also in the south. Today antinational elements from this community are present in the south in a big way. They forget that this country gives them the freedom to move about freely. They move in the mainstream like a wolf in a herd of sheep.
Before pointing figures understand that you also are equally responsible for your state today. What goes around comes around. Give consideration to human needs first than the needs of a religion, reform with time. Don%u2019t forget that charity begins at home and not in neighbor%u2019s home.
RE:Bad Articles Like This
by kingjee on Dec 11, 2007 10:23 PM Permalink
I AGREE WITH YOU THAT ARTICLE LIKE THESE SPARKS TENSION.READING IT MAKES ME THINK THAT REDIFFMAIL IS ENCOURAGING SEPARATION BETWEEN COMMUNITIES.THEY SHOULD STOP IT RIGHT NOW.
In Gugarat many riots took place when congress was ruling. balance sheet of every riots was hundreds of hindus lost of life and many hundreds seriosly injured. None of the present avathars of HRC or NGOs never ever try to look for the sufferings. Always pakistani trained muslim terrorists starts riots. In Godra also similar they killed 59 Hindus burned alive. The riots after it also kille 400 hindu as well 790 muslims, but our pseudo secularists and anti indian medias projected just muslims lifes only valuable in India. If Modi can controll the terrerism last five years, nationalist muslims should support him, they are at least save under Modi. Dont be think like terrorists or anti nationalists, congress and other pseudo secular parties looking for muslims votes only they try to divide people by religion and create communal tension for aleniating minorities from the mainstream just for votes. You die or live they dont care,It was happening in our country since last some decades. THE CLEAR CUT EXAMPLE IS IN NANDIGRAM CPM KILLING VILLAGERS MAINLY MUSLIMS HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE MISSING, EVERY DAY NEW GRAVES DISCOVERING, CHIEF MINISTER DECLARING OUR BOYS RECAPTURED, EVEN CRPF NOT ALLOWED TO VISIT CPM STRONGHOLDS, OUR PM, CONGRESS, OR ANY SO CALLED SECULAR PARTIES OR MEDIA HAVE NO REGRET OF ATTENTION IN NADIGRAM IN BENGAL. why all Muslims should think? what is the real minority appeasment and cry for minorities safety? where all gone. due to one terrorsuspect our pM has sleepless
