RE:islam & peace a myth
by venky prasad on Dec 11, 2007 11:35 PM Permalink
The funny thing about your 4 points is that each one of them will also apply to Hindus:
1. Whereever there is Hinduism, there is no peace: India, Nepal, Sri Lanka, Fuji etc
2. Most Islamic Nations are backwad - India is 130th in development index and Nepal perhaps lower
3. Muslims want democracy in minority...ok, Nepal, the only hindu kingdom has been a monarchy
4. Muslims kill more muslims than non-muslims killing muslims: Hindus kill more hindus and non-Hindus kill hindus, as evident from the naxal wars, caste-wars, intra-LTTE wars and Nepal civil war.
So really guys, to find answers to these questions, just introspect yourself.
RE:RE:islam & peace a myth
by on Dec 11, 2007 11:45 PM Permalink
you are so rite bro... its rightly said.... if u point 1 finger to others.... 3 fingers point to you... samjhe Mr eelamtigers???
RE:RE:RE:islam & peace a myth
by Mahendra Pandit on Dec 11, 2007 11:52 PM Permalink
Arrey laloo, GOVT. OF INDIA SENT TROOPS TO FIGHT THESE TIGER ELAMS . No hindu supports the SL separation. \But see how paki. govt. help muslims in kashmir. Even non kashmiri Indian muslim is anti indian and also pro-pakistani-kashmir.
first, if hindus were half like muslims, then the muslims wud be in the same situation hindus are in Paki. and bangladesh. & yes, you wudn write this.
But see it this way man!
We have so many Muslims Presidents. Air marshals and generals. polic cheafs and senior staffs. cricket captains and hockey captains, Biggest superstarts in bollywood. Musicians,artisans and song writters. Tennis players. biggest industrialists and IT co.owners. Parmaeutical barons. HEAD OF MISSILE PROGRAMMES. Ministers in the center,state. forestry and agriculture. also, BIGGEST SMUGGLERS, DRUG RUNNERS, UNDERGROUD LEADERS. EXTORTIONISTS. at every nukkad and chauraha the big headed and heavy handed riot starters.
RE:islam & peace a myth
by Verghese on Dec 12, 2007 02:49 AM Permalink
Yes, Add to that Cipla whose medicines your mother took when she had you and Wipro who sustained your diet when you were young and who sustains thousands of your brothers with jobs they take and visit phoren and then switch visas to stay there permanently and send money to the Sangh Parivar to see that Muslims remain in their corner.
Dear Sharma What Aurangazeb did was a history Why should present Muslims get that and normally why people remember what the bad happened why not the good Mughals built forts monuments and they belong to a united India Why dont people think that More over I want to bring to your notice that Adolf Hitler Burnt 1 Million Jews alive Will U burn Christians of todays world just because Hitler did that in the past for some reason United India is
RE:United India
by lablabia on Dec 11, 2007 11:38 PM Permalink
why don't u and ur clan speak for minority hindus in Malaysia??why javed as a MP of India is keeping mum on this issue??? do have an answer for this??
RE:United India
by sayed adeeb on Dec 11, 2007 11:57 PM Permalink
there should be some fake encounters in malaysia and some muslims should call it a kalank that is removed. mayb that would answer. think again. things r much better in malaysia than in modi's gujarat.
RE:United India
by Mahendra Pandit on Dec 11, 2007 11:28 PM Permalink
mr. arif, the thing is that we know muslims are capable of repeating the same done by ghanzi,ghauri,amir timure etc...as muslims have and do take pride about how brave they were in killing hindus like vegetables.
IF WHY SHOULD MUSLIM FEEL SORRY FOR WHAT THEIR FORE FATHERS DID, IS RIGHT.
THAN WHY SHOULD THEY TAKE PRIDE IN THEM ?
As for the monuments, let us see this way. There is a temple in Mathura, 3 story of it had to be brought down as the hakem or the badshah himself did not like those light of lamps on diwali, which he could see from Agra.
If we were not colonised then we too could have built some monument of ours.
It is not our hatrade for muslims, but our wish for freedom, which you muslims snatched with utmost curelty,pride in this land of ours. Now it is yours.
by the way, many countries are keeping a watch on the NAZIs in case it they rise again.
RE:United India
by tom call on Dec 12, 2007 12:16 AM Permalink
I guess all of you are hypocrites ( Muslims and Hindus).All of you bow down to materialistic thinking and religious dogma. British came and raped the country for hundred years and you all are ready to go there in heart beat to settle and kiss their a@@ b'coz of materialistic reasons. All of you have forgotten that politicians don't belong to any religion, as long as they are in power they love to play politics and feed on mentality like all of you. Muslims and Hindus born in India have some linkage to same ancestory, kings who came to India were from other countries and their ancestory was different. If you all can put Humanity in front instead of your religion then you may be better off in future. Human mind is very complicated, if all teh muslims are gone from Gujarat still there will differences within Hindus based on caste and creed and same is true for muslims ( Shias, sunnis etc.). There is still time to get out of that convulated thinking and start facing the real issues. Modi or no Modi once the mind of people has been scared by riots. It will take another 2 generations to reheal. If you want India to progress think about everyone and correct the socio political situation by actively involving yourself and being part of it.
What Modi has successfully done is highlight for the investment in Gujarat and brazenly take complete credit himself for it. But what is hidden here is the fact that Gujarat has ALWAYS been either 1st or 2nd in that domain since the time it was created. That%u2019s nothing new. But the other things that he brings to the table are: Fake encounters, robbery, insecurity and intimidation of Dalits and Muslims, discrimination of Patels, communalism, heinous polarization of Muslims and Hindus, etc. This is the true tale of Modi's rule in Gujarat.
RE:Unscrupulous Modi (1 of 4)
by Johny Dayal on Dec 11, 2007 11:00 PM Permalink
If you want to talk about Godhra, here we go. History repeats: At Achalpur in Amaravati district (Maharashtra), recently fanatic Muslims started riots with stoning from a mosque at a procession of Sree Durga Devi all of a sudden. It is noteworthy that the riot started by Muslims was pre-planned. The pseudo-secular media has ignored this carnage of Hindus by just mentioning the word RIOTS. Still our secular Congress Government has just declared a puny financial aid. No legal action has been taken. The horrified Hindus have yet not dared to return to their homes & are staying in camps. Hence, it is important to bring the real truth of Achalpur to the common man because if we ignore it now, tomorrow these Jihadis will be inside your house. Evidence of Muslim Terrorism: Post Riot Photos hindujagruti.org/activities/campaigns/religious/achalpur-riots/ These photos are not of destruction made by Pakistani terrorists but by "so-called" Indian Muslim brothers (?) It is time to unite and act together. Join hands and participate in HJS Dharma Jagruti Sabha. Spread this message as it's our duty to alert fellow Indians about this horror... Vande Mataram
RE:Unscrupulous Modi (1 of 4)
by on Dec 11, 2007 11:49 PM Permalink
dude... stop publicizing ur party/sabha.... this a discussion... not a political rally....
RE:Unscrupulous Modi (1 of 4)
by . on Dec 11, 2007 11:21 PM Permalink
muslims need to come out of their illiteracy n over-reliance on maulvis, to know such things.
RE:Unscrupulous Modi (1 of 4)
by Raju Dalit on Dec 11, 2007 11:14 PM Permalink
Muslim mobs gathered in thousands, cordoned and set ablaze the train comp.with 60 non suspected pilgrims. When police and firegihters wanted to help, other group of muslims stopped them. the yatris kept on burning to their deaths.
RE:Unscrupulous Modi (1 of 4)
by Johny Dayal on Dec 11, 2007 11:21 PM Permalink
In secular India (or Pakistan??) only this is possible, a handful of minorities challenging the majority. I want the few Hindus left in Pakistan to try this against the terrorists & see what happens. Even Teesta & Thapars will be running for cover.
I wont even delve in to the riots cause it is now public knowledge that that Modis government was the mastermind of that pogrom, the victimization and persecution of Muslims, and was involved in every aspect of the riot from planning, instigation, coordination, execution, perpetuation, the cover-up, manufacturing lies, shoddy investigations, legal subversion and the prevention of delivery of justice. The police sided with the rioters; and not just the carnage, but also the aftermath was clinically planned and supervised by the State In many places, both the defense and the prosecution were on the same side %u2014 on the side of those who looted, raped and killed. judges gave the lawyers their full cooperation and guidance on how to defend the accused rioters. Even the Nanavati-Shah Commission has been compromised.
Also, the riots were not a %u201Creaction%u201D to the unfortunate burning of the Godhra train, but a contrived, pre-planned, well plotted act of the .How else would u explain the imported (from other states) guns and the manufactured bombs? These guns and bombs cannot be made/imported overnight. And since the riots were an immediate backlash, how did those hard liner Hindu fundamentalist rioters have those weapons and bombs the very next day after Godhra train burning? THINK!
RE:Unscrupulous Modi (2 of 4)
by . on Dec 11, 2007 11:23 PM Permalink
READ - Changing mindset: Modi is not just chief minister of Hindus%u2019: on 5.12.07 hindustantimes com /StoryPage /StoryPage .aspx?id=4dcc88ac-65da-458c-8b86-6f6eca764877 Muslims in sikka from jamnagar, where more than 80 per cent residents are Muslims, say: %u2018If pockets are empty, there will be violence. If people are jobless, there will be violence. Now that everyone is getting jobs, why should there be riots,%u2019 asked Ali Asghar Attarwala, an architect in Jamnagar town. V dont need tension, v need peace and bread and butter. V r looking for the development. these r all pseudo-seculars who dont want to settle the communal disputes and always want to keep the fire ablaze.
Hindu fundamentalists (mainly Gujarati) justify the riots saying - [as it were MUSLIMS who set the train on fire, they had the riots coming to them]. Firstly, there is NO evidence whatsoever to back that claim and even if there was, such criminals CANNOT be called Muslims as terrorism has no religion. Even assuming those criminals were Muslims, why take the life of 2800 more (and displace thousands others) just because they happen to have the same faith? How can a Chief Minister take his que on integrity from terrorists? A terrorist%u2019s sole aim is to create terror, but is that the sole aim of a Chief Minister too? It could, at some level be justified, if he had terrorized just those unscrupulous elements who set the train on fire. But why kill 2800 other innocent souls in the brutal most manner imaginable, just because they share the same religion? And till date justice eludes these helpless beings. Would you blame them if one of these riots victims, who saw his father being slaughtered, his mother being set on fire and his sister being raped brutally, was to take the violent road to revenge and consequently deemed a terrorist? Honestly think: Would you not want to kill and avenge ur father, mother and sisters death in the most barbaric way possible, if you were in his place?
RE:Unscrupulous Modi (3 of 4)
by abcd efg on Dec 11, 2007 11:34 PM Permalink
One crime never justifies another crime but punishment does..that answers all your loooooooong statements.
RE:Unscrupulous Modi (3 of 4)
by sayed adeeb on Dec 12, 2007 12:00 AM Permalink
oh wow! u go ahead and play judge jury and convict and expect us to take it lying back!
The fact is that Modi was the single, biggest beneficiary of these riots, coming to power with a resounding majority of 126 seats in the following assembly elections.
Today more than 20% of Gujarat is below the poverty line and Modi has taken absolutely no steps to alleviate the problems of these farmers. 420 farmers have committed suicide in Gujarat alone. All he is good at is playing with emotional issues. It helped his in 2002 elections and he is hoping it would work this time around too. He is the paradigm of the communal vote bank gutter politics.
Also, the Tehelka expose was, for all intents and purposes a BJP backed sting. Think about it. Who would have benefited? It is common knowledge that highlighting the role of govt in the riots would have polarized the voters and this polarization would have ONLY benefited BJP (Modi) - NOT the Congress. If Congress was backing the expose, they would have atleast spoken about it for a week or tried to rake up the issue. Rather, the Congress has been careful in NOT bringing up Godhra riots. There was nothing for BJP (Modi) to loose from this expose - only gains. It was a strategic, well contrived plan aiming at communalizing the voters and in the process making it seem that the Congress was behind the sting. THINK!
I wrote thesis on Afghanistan for UN. This is in regard to study on welfare of woman in afganistan. The period was when Taliban was in its final years of rule in Afganistan.
According muslim religion u can have four wives. They differ that.
One shaik has almost 11 wives all used to stay underone roof. First women are raped then the raped woman is taken home and get married. One day all these 11 women got angry in rebound they killed him. Taliban came to know about this. They took all 11 women people to near by foot ball stadium and shot them all at the close. This is what they is written in Quran.. or Sharia.
RE:My exp in Afganisthan
by Srini J on Dec 11, 2007 11:02 PM Permalink
I use to work for UNHRC. United Nations Human Rights Commision on research and rehabilitation programs
The problem with muslims is that, they can not think beyond islam. They don't want to think them as indian. They never demanded equal right as all other Indian enjoyed, rather always availed benifits from pseudo seculerism. Immam is only acceptable to them than Suprime court. Religious acceptability is nothing more than a void to them which is always making them isolated. Those fellow fearing Mr. Modi should come out and say 'we are Indian like others, we do not want clause 370, every one has rigft to live equaly, we don't want special treatment fron nowhere, we are indian, we salute india.'
The muslim NRIs always had a soft and open corner for Pakistan. They are know to have secret meetings and gathering with Pakistani abmassodors and diplomats.
They also provided the information to other muslims about the drawbacks and narrowness of our religions and culture and country - India.
