1. Yes, My forefathers converted at some point to Islam. I thank them for their sensible decision whole heartedly
2. My head gows down in shame when I see that todays Muslims (Pak in this case) can loud criminal parasites like Baber and feel proud about them. BTW, Baber was criminal in eyes of Islam for being a 'king' like any other in history, not for those fables like he converted people by force, or killed them for their religion. That is all bullshit
3. I am disappointed that in this country there is no dirth of idiots who feel deeply hurt, offended and aggrieved on the basis of imagined/cooked up history; and they are willing to kill for those imagined grievances
RE:ALL MUSLIMS ARE CONVERTS
by Lotan Potan on Dec 11, 2007 01:23 PM Permalink
What's more, these Muslims take pride in these barbaric invaders and 'rulers'. Poor fellows dont even realize that these barbarisms is the chief reason why God has punished Muslims and made Muslims weak all around the world.
And for these missiles, they were tested at a very wrong time when USA is waiting to snatch away the warheads Pakistan got in theft and begging.
I accept Muslim Kings were as barberic as any other in history if not more (Save some mongols who were unparallel in barbarism)
BUT, I do not accept they were any extra cruel on non-muslims (Hindus). Infact Baber to Aurangzeb were more secular and relatively just kind among bunch of paracites who inflicted themselves on Indian masses.
Communal passion rousing, along with associated fabricated propaganda has created unjust 'special hatred' towards these Rulers. Mughals never in reality encouraged conversions (except aurangzeb).
Real Barberic, Cruel rulers were Britishers who sucked India hollow
RE:ALL MUSLIMS ARE CONVERTS
by Lotan Potan on Dec 11, 2007 01:35 PM Permalink
Wajah Faridy by your logic as you say Babar and Aurangzeb were secular hence good, I can say Israelis are secular to the Palestines as they are not forcing them to convert and hence they are also good. Britishers were secular hence they were also good. Only muslims felt the need to force their religion on other's throats at the sword.
RE:ALL MUSLIMS ARE CONVERTS
by Sachidanand Shetty on Dec 11, 2007 01:52 PM Permalink
Britishers never converted any Hindus to Chrisnity. Many muslim invaders demlosihed temples & properties,looted, burned many cities converted many Hindus to Inslam by force & threat. Many people they captured & took away as a sleeves to their country. Babar who hates Hindus & taken tax from them because they hindus & demolished Ram temple in Ayodhya. Most cruial is Orangjeb he was a Islamic devil who demolished Kashi & Mathura temple converted lots of Hindus to Islam, Even he tried to convert son of Shivaji Sambaji to convet to Islam when refused he killed him. He also killed Sikh guru Tejbhadur Singh & his sons.
RE:ALL MUSLIMS ARE CONVERTS
by wada pav on Dec 11, 2007 01:29 PM Permalink
your hindu ancesters 'sensible' decision to convert was not voluntary. it was by force and jaziya and implemented by zealots like babar, tughlaq, khilji's , ghori's,ghazni's and aurangzebs. Subsequent brainwashing has left u people to believe it was voluntary.
RE:ALL MUSLIMS ARE CONVERTS
by Wahaj Faridy on Dec 11, 2007 01:37 PM Permalink
You are exactly among those '......' who live on imagined grievances.
Islam restricts a ruler to take more than 2.5% from Muslims, and 4% from non-Muslims. All these muslim kings could not live lavishly - like any other king - by taking anything less than 20-30% in taxes
Hence, no Muslim KING (paracite in eyes of Islam) ever tried to promote Islam in his state
RE:ALL MUSLIMS ARE CONVERTS
by indian atheist on Dec 11, 2007 01:31 PM Permalink
Well if religion is so important to you then what has been done ever to bring back these people to hinduism ?
RE:RE:ALL MUSLIMS ARE CONVERTS
by Vijay urf Teesmaar Khan on Dec 11, 2007 01:52 PM Permalink
Yes. I agree. Hindu society has not done any thing to bring converted muslims back to Hinduism. Earlier Swami Shraddhanand was doing so. But he was killed by a muslim killer for this work of his. After that no efforts have been done. We should start these efforts again.
RE:ALL MUSLIMS ARE CONVERTS
by SHRI RAM on Dec 11, 2007 01:33 PM Permalink
The religion is very personal matter and it should be limited to the indivdual only at the same time religion should not mix with politics/laws and legal matter, If any how any govt able to do this I am very sure people wont get any benefit and they wont involve them in with religion for benefits. Each person has a right to choose their own idealogy and follow it, no one has right to interfere in ones personal matter.
PAKISTSAN WILL NAME THE NEXT MISSILES LEFTIST- kARAT, yECHURY, CONGRESS, JAVED AKHTAR, TEESTA, PRONOY ROY ETC, BECAUSE THESE SECULAR WADIS ARE FRIENDS OF PAKISTAN / CHINA AND ENEMIES OF INDIA (HINDUS AND MUSLIMS)
RE:Pakistani Missiles
by amit kumar on Dec 11, 2007 01:32 PM Permalink
this is very much true... what our sardar PM had asserted recently about land dispute with china that "we will not give any populated land to them"... does it mean that he is ready to give unmanned indian land to them... for country sake i request everybody to vote against PM and congress to save our country pride....
RE:Pakistani Missiles
by Sunil Kumar on Dec 11, 2007 01:59 PM Permalink
Yes man, very very rightly told. if we have brazen land, land full of water, land of hills where people dont stay, doesnt mean that that land should be given to anybody.
RE:RE:Pakistani Missiles
by Sunil Kumar on Dec 11, 2007 02:00 PM Permalink
i guess u r not watching him nowadays. he is very much active in politics as well.
All these names of Islamic invaders who looted,raped,killed Indian people for their GREED. Pakistan likes such greedy people, looters,rapists, cruel killers shows what mindset those people have. India haters and haters of humanity.
Now US will make a statement that "Pakistan is a good friend and long term ally of theirs"
No country can dare to fight each other as they know If the war will begin, It will destroy every thing. All couuntries are only wasting money instead of using the money for development activities. Now India will buy some thing and show the power to reply Pak. What is the fun.
We as a nation should destroy this pakis otherwise they will try to suppress us. See the country like US and China how they have milittary dominant and economic progress also. In last 4 Yrs of rule we haven't seen any good missile testing or some more innovation in nuclear arms field. If u believe or not but being a milittary is only way to survive in this world.
RE:India should destroy them
by indian atheist on Dec 11, 2007 01:13 PM Permalink
Talk sense. War between India and Pak will be last war for both. Here we are talking about a better world free of nukes and the priority work should be combating global warming which is the biggest ever threat to humanity.
RE:India should destroy them
by Vikramaditya on Dec 11, 2007 01:15 PM Permalink
War between india and pak will finish pak only in todays scenario my friend. Why don't u discuss these sophisticated topic with US and China.
RE:India should destroy them
by indian atheist on Dec 11, 2007 01:26 PM Permalink
To be frank, there is no point in answering you because you don't even know what a nuclear war is about. It would take not more than 10 minutes for both countries to finish each other. Both India and Pakistan have their nukes pointed at every major city in each others country. It is a very sick scenario. We should be working towards ending the nukes from the world.
RE:India should destroy them
by amit kumar on Dec 11, 2007 01:36 PM Permalink
u r right... the only thing which we need is some tough politicians... u know when pakistan started their nuclear prog... our PM indira gandhi had made plans to destroy their kohata nuclear plant through missiles on follwing the steps of israel... but unfortunately we have a lot of doggy politicians who refused it....
The name of the missile shows, how much Pakistani hates India Earlier pakistani named these Korean manufactured missile as Ghauri, and Ghazni. they put only those invaders name who looted and attack India. We also have name One misile INDIRA answer of all there Korean Missiles. they do not have even right people to operate it 100% they called some Korean to explode.
RE:Hatred(Korean missiles)
by baba on Dec 11, 2007 01:15 PM Permalink
PAKISTSAN WILL NAME THE NEXT MISSILES LEFTIST, CONGRESS, JAVED AKHTAR, TEESTA, PRONOY ROY ETC, BECAUSE THESE SECULAR WADIS ARE FRIENDS OF PAKISTAN AND ENEMIES OF INDIA (HINDUS AND MUSLIMS)
RE:Test fire
by Pradeep Kumar on Dec 11, 2007 01:10 PM Permalink
Why not target the rump of your pa and maaa so that they dont give a scum like you birht again
RE:Test fire
by Vikramaditya on Dec 11, 2007 01:13 PM Permalink
Why don't we rump your whole khan daan so you coward will not birth again in india Pradeep kumar.
RE:Test fire
by SHRI RAM on Dec 11, 2007 01:12 PM Permalink
Cgaturvedi go and read Veds, learn some missile technolody despite of cursing national leaders.
Babar is the father of the nation of the sub-continet! God only know how many Hindu women Akbar married. So all his sons are 50% Hindu. Anyway, all the subsequent Islamic population has not come out of sub-continent but converted under political pressure or for gaining political patronage to adjust their frequency with the ruler.
They are all Indians; but converts.
Even today in Goa you have Brahmin-Christian, Kshatriya-christian, and lower caste-christians and they dont marry across the castes. Under Potugese influence all Hindus got coverted to Christianity under political pressure/ patronage and even got themselves Portugese names!
RE:BABAR, FATHER OF THE NATION!
by SWAL Corporation Ltd on Dec 11, 2007 01:02 PM Permalink
The Muslim Religion started with conversions, in every part of the world. So every muslim in India today has a history of forefathers who have converted, may be as u said due to Pressure or political mileage.
RE:RE:BABAR, FATHER OF THE NATION!
by SHRI RAM on Dec 11, 2007 01:15 PM Permalink
whats wrong if somebody adopts other idealogy, even your body does not accept the useless organ and those become extinct after certain evolution changes. Check your tail and appendix(vestigeal organ). This is persons own will to follow any idealism or not.
RE:BABAR, FATHER OF THE NATION!
by Vikramaditya on Dec 11, 2007 01:19 PM Permalink
There are 2 type of conversion 1. Forceful conversion or for some materialistic benifits 2. Conversion without any pressure.
RE:BABAR, FATHER OF THE NATION!
by SHRI RAM on Dec 11, 2007 01:27 PM Permalink
And you do not have courage to accept any truth. And even not able to do anything for your own religion.
RE:BABAR, FATHER OF THE NATION!
by amit kumar on Dec 11, 2007 01:42 PM Permalink
dear i think that this discussion is on some hard war topics so i request all the cowards not to participate here,.... they can be well consumed in other(girls) topic.... like shri ram, pradeep and indian athiest etc...
RE:BABAR, FATHER OF THE NATION!
by Kabeer on Dec 11, 2007 02:06 PM Permalink
Any faith that is born out of the existing one has to have converts. Buddhism, Jainism, Sikhism were borne out of the existing one which till then has no name but has to name itself to differentiate from its offspring and that is Hinduism. Until then Hinduism as Indian Supreme COurt said is a way of life but not necessarily a religion.
Likewise, Islam and Christianity were born from an existing faith which again has no name as it can not have one because if you have only one you dont need a name! SO Islam and Christianity has to have converts. There is nothing fundamentally right or wrong with it.
But the feud between Islam and Judaism is for political reasons/land than any religious differences.
