RE:Yes, it is possible
by Avinash on Dec 11, 2007 04:05 PM Permalink
Dear Vijay urf Teesmaar Khan, when will people understand the futility of religions? The religions were used by vested interests to keep the gullible masses under control. The so-called holy books are no more serious than Gulliver's travels or Aesop's Fables or Mulla Nasiruddin Stories. Belive in neo-humanism. We all can live together without any need to convert to any other religion. visit the web of Actual Freedom. This is an alternative to organised religions.
The Skeptics Annotated Bible/Quran gives category-wise verses of The Koran (like contradictions, absurdities, hatred, etc) wihtout any commnet. Please read the same and understand for your self. I have read two versions (English translations) and I am fully aware of the contents of The Koran. Better try to befool somebody else!
RE:@Wahaj Faridy
by Vijay urf Teesmaar Khan on Dec 11, 2007 03:51 PM Permalink
Who has published those translations and where are they available? Pl. reply so that I can purchase too.
RE:@Wahaj Faridy
by Avinash on Dec 11, 2007 03:57 PM Permalink
The Skeptics Annotated Bible/Quran The Koran available at Project Gutenberg both are unbiased translations. You can download free of charge from Project Gutenberg.
RE:@Wahaj Faridy
by Wahaj Faridy on Dec 11, 2007 07:15 PM Permalink
I am tired of sending time reading such works only to learn that thery are invariably sly, deceitful, and misleading.
Remember, I was an atheist initially, and went thru process of verifying maliciousness of such several works before moving over to Islam
RE:Latest peace of Islam
by Wahaj Faridy on Dec 11, 2007 05:24 PM Permalink
Ram, I hang my head in shame when some Muslims (Pak in this case) loud Babar..a king who has no place in Islam
I am also ashamed when some muslims attack innocents with bombs to create terror.
HOWEVER, I do not accept this that behavior of people be linked to ISLAM. On sheer strength of its impeccable documentation, anyone can see for himself that ISLAM never accommodates such actions or thoughts
RE:Latest peace of Islam
by greet gunn on Dec 11, 2007 05:14 PM Permalink
What about you hindus... Day in Day out rape girls in delhi... Nandhi gram massacare CAste system injustice.... PEACE OF HINDUISM A RELIGION OF MYTH
RE:Latest peace of Islam
by maha maya on Dec 11, 2007 05:32 PM Permalink
Here comes another arab slave. Totally brainless moron. brainwashed beyond any sense and common sense by jihadis. ninkompoop speaking. In India they call these type people as gadha kahin ka! Oh no! I do not want insult gadhas by saying this.OOPS!
RE:For sake of Argument
by Ram Chauthariya on Dec 11, 2007 03:16 PM Permalink
Why then Muslims need to have 50 exclusive Islamic states? If you are humanity, then all Islamic countries should have been secular nations who respect all of humanity? How about Saudi Arabia- birthplace of Mohamed?
RE:For sake of Argument
by Wahaj Faridy on Dec 11, 2007 03:22 PM Permalink
50 muslim countries will unite as one within year should extenal meddling into their affairs by way of stoogeocracy, or dealocarcy end from WEST's side
RE:For sake of Argument
by Ram Chauthariya on Dec 11, 2007 03:30 PM Permalink
Here comes the real Muslim outside of you. Stop the talk of humanity and think more in terms of land grabbing, making Islam the dominant religion at any cost ....
RE:For sake of Argument
by Avinash on Dec 11, 2007 03:08 PM Permalink
Mr.Wahaj Faridy, pl read some more history. We are not fools to believe in whatever you say. Btw we have no objection if you want to treat the atrocities committed by the Islamic invaders as an honour to your ancestors. But don't try to foce your religion on anybody else!
RE:For sake of Argument
by Wahaj Faridy on Dec 11, 2007 03:15 PM Permalink
Avinash, I agreed just for a moment for sake of argument only.
I have read lots of History, and I know that All your stories of attrocities on Hindu Masses are figment of imagination.
Problem is that you treat Hindu King as sacred, and Muslim King as Evil. But I treat both as curse on humanity. Islam was first religion which challnged this curse, and chased them away in great measure. However, eventually, Kings pevailed and estabilshed themselves back. Masses like you keep crying 'My King vs foreign king, but Kings were only attcahed to wealth, not people...any king, home grown, or foreign invader
RE:For sake of Argument
by Avinash on Dec 11, 2007 03:21 PM Permalink
Wahaj Faridy, all those things happend in an era where "might was right" we are now living in a democratic country (forget about Islamic countries - we are not interested in them). So let us all jettison the religious dogmas and belive in neo-humanism. If you want to worship a different God (Allah), it is your choice but limit to the four walls of your house or your place or worship. Let others also do the same thing. That is the only way to peace and prosperity.
RE:For sake of Argument
by Avinash on Dec 11, 2007 03:37 PM Permalink
Mr.Wahaj Faridy, can you visit Saudi Arabia even for Haj or Umrah without a Passport? Whom are you trying to fool?
RE:WHOLE WORLD TRIED BRING THEM BACK
by Avinash on Dec 11, 2007 03:06 PM Permalink
The threat of death penalty for blasphamy. Mr. Wahaj, please don't try to fool us with Dr. Zakir Naik's line of argument. There are better educated persons than Dr. Naik!!!!!!!!!!!!
RE:WHOLE WORLD TRIED BRING THEM BACK
by Wahaj Faridy on Dec 11, 2007 03:19 PM Permalink
For your info, I was an atheist within Muslim family till 29. I studied Islam as well as history seriously to learn what is what
No threat of Blasphemy law keeps muslims into Islam, it is model of Humanity that wins our hearts
RE:WHOLE WORLD TRIED BRING THEM BACK
by Avinash on Dec 11, 2007 03:25 PM Permalink
Dear Wahaj Faridy, I am also an atheist and I do not believe in the dogmas of any religion. I am 100% sure that capital punishments is awarded to those who leave Islam in any Islamic country. Pl don't repeat the same old cliche! We are also educated persons.
Btw, pl download and read "The Necessity of Atheism" By Dr. D.M. Brooks freely available at Project Gutenberg to clear your doubts.
RE:WHOLE WORLD TRIED BRING THEM BACK
by Ram Chauthariya on Dec 11, 2007 03:25 PM Permalink
Model of humanity? Then why 50 nations are exclusive Islamic nations? Is not that a slap on the rest of humanity? Why have Hindus been killed and driven out of Pak and now Kashmir?
RE:WHOLE WORLD TRIED BRING THEM BACK
by Ram Chauthariya on Dec 11, 2007 03:09 PM Permalink
If you are brought up in a cult, it is hard to give it up. But I know one thing for sure- if people of my religion killed civilians on a daily basis all over the world- I would call it a murderous cult and run away.
RE:WHOLE WORLD TRIED BRING THEM BACK
by Avinash on Dec 11, 2007 03:11 PM Permalink
Mr. Ram Chauthariya, you are saying so without realizing the fact. Islam is a one way road. You can convert to Islam but you cannot leave. The penalty for leaving Islam is capital punishment. Otherwise 90% of muslims might have converted to other religions or become atheists by now!
RE:RE:RE:WHOLE WORLD TRIED BRING THEM BACK
by Avinash on Dec 11, 2007 03:27 PM Permalink
Mr.Wahaj Faridy, which country are you talking about? Of course there is no such law in India, but in all Islamic Countries, such a law exists!
RE:WHOLE WORLD TRIED BRING THEM BACK
by Rana on Dec 11, 2007 03:29 PM Permalink
Mr Faridy, then why don't you go to this website faithfreedom org, and read some of the articles. MAY BE, you will be better informed.
RE:WHOLE WORLD TRIED BRING THEM BACK
by Avinash on Dec 11, 2007 03:35 PM Permalink
Mr.Rana, he will not do anything like that. Dr. Zakir Niak has devised various methods to fool the ignorants. There are different ways to tackle those who are totally ignorgant, those who have some knowledge and those who have full knowledge on Dr. Naik's website. People like Mr. Faridy are using that tactic!
We have a story about a Goldsmith giving trade secrets to his son while on the death-bed. He tells his son - give ornaments of pure god to......(name of a particular community) and tell them that some portion has lost while making the ornaments, then give same weight (with impurity) to ..........(name of a particular community)....then the son asks .........how much I return to............(name of a particular community).........then the father shouts at him and asks ............if you reutrn the gold to....... what will you eat?
Similarly people like Mr. Faridy are out to fool the people without any knowledge of Islam!
RE:What is our Govt doing?
by Wahaj Ahmed Faridy on Dec 11, 2007 05:06 PM Permalink
Let us talk history, as you wish...
To protect yourselves from Muslim Rulers, you once allied with West (Bitishers)...and remember what you got...plunderers who looted country hollow. Tax were raised from Rs 20000/- a district under Mughals to 26 Lakhs a district.
Wealth was syphoned out 24x7 for full 150 years. Over a million Indians had to die, and country dismembered, to throw Britishers out That is the price you paid for allying with Britishers against Muslim Rulers.
Probably you remember History too well, that is why you are now Allying with same West (Read US) in global alliance against Islam.
RE:What is our Govt doing?
by Sami on Dec 11, 2007 05:14 PM Permalink
Forgot the history? no we will forget only if know the history. when we dont know the history what is there ot forget?
RE:What is our Govt doing?
by Avinash on Dec 11, 2007 03:14 PM Permalink
Mr.Ram Chauthariya, our Country is capable of meeting any eventuality. Even the threat of moving 7th Fleet into Bay of Bengal by USA during the 1971 war has not deterred us. Then what to speak of a small neighbouring country?
