RE:Judging by posts on rediff
by Raj on Dec 12, 2007 06:13 AM Permalink
You are right except one thing.. Shri Narendra Modi Ji has already unified one segment of Hindus -- EDUCATED, MIDDLE CLASS, FAIR MINDED and PATRIOTIC and "killers" ones.
RE:Judging by posts on rediff
by Arjun S on Dec 12, 2007 06:34 AM Permalink
I think you are being too naive in branding all those who support MODI Ji and Hindu Nationalism as "killers".
Even you know thats not the case.
Hindu Nationalists are not even remotely hate mongering like Islamists, European White supremacists, regional Casteists or Communists/ marxists.
Hindu Nationalists only want to be INCLUSIVE and protective of Hindu Identity of India.
It is evident from the way they reach out to SIKHS, BUDDHISTS and JAINs all over India..
Not to mention how they want to unify Hindus as one people, one race by quashing the ridiculous ARYAN INVASION THEORY.
In the end, the ONLY non-racist, truly secular, truly egalitarian and compassionate people are the HINDU nationalists in India. The rest are all hateful, self-centered, deceptive and treacherous.
RE:Judging by posts on rediff
by Aquarius on Dec 12, 2007 05:44 AM Permalink
Modi has unified only the godse supporters who are only 3%. His enemies are vast because he has murdered vast number of chrislamists! So america asked him to stay at home !
RE:Judging by posts on rediff
by Arjun S on Dec 12, 2007 05:47 AM Permalink
I doubt it. Modi Ji has unified a wide cross section of Hindus, including yours truly. He is the first politician other than Naidu of AP to get a good fan following among EDUCATED Hindu people from all over the world.
RE:Judging by posts on rediff
by r patil on Dec 12, 2007 06:03 AM Permalink
Rightly said,the more the hindus get educated more they will like modi.For people like aquarius "grapes have become sour"
RE:warning
by Arjun S on Dec 12, 2007 05:19 AM Permalink
My friend, that is EXACTLY what the Cong/Commie wants. They want to turn India into a marginal muslim/christian majority to perpetually retain power.
And they will always have the support of CASTE SPLINTER groups among hindus to assist them in their nefarious scheme.
I am in Ireland and have no biase against/for BJP. When I read all the comments below, I really feel bad for India. A person under whose rule, more than 2000 human(doesn't matter Muslims or Hindus) are killed and is not punished politically or legally. I really feel insecure about the future of country. World is afraid of social turmoil in China but I guess India will suffer much before China.
RE:Warning
by Dipak Patel on Dec 12, 2007 05:47 AM Permalink
Hay buddy Listen, I am from Gujarat and live in Canada. I was in Gujarat (indeed just 70 km away fromwhen this Godhara episode happened. I can tell you that After the news of Godhara train burnung spread like fire people became so violent that you can not imagine. Probably you can not understand the Indian culture since you live away. And it would have been nearly impossible to stop it. I would like to give an example of French govt.French govt (who has all advanced police force and equipments) can not stop the small violence, how can one expect from govt? Also remember one more thing any of indian state's governments do not have that kind of efficiency. even during the natural calamity, only people help help not poor politicians
RE:Warning
by Swami Aravind on Dec 12, 2007 05:52 AM Permalink
I agree with you Dipak. I would blame the Muslim Leaders. They emits all the poison to common followers by bad interpretation of Quran. I think Muslim people should realize this thing at the earliest, so that they can live with the other communities peacefully.
RE:RE:Warning
by Swami Aravind on Dec 12, 2007 05:54 AM Permalink
Raj may know better about Northern Ireland. Each community leaders realized that, Violence is not the way forward. See now how they are progressing...
RE:Warning
by Raj on Dec 12, 2007 05:54 AM Permalink
May be you are right, Dipak. I am more worried what happened after than during riots. There has to someone responsile for 2000 deaths, if not Modi then someone.
Pradip,,, really man I don't agree with every Congress stand. But that doesn't make killing thousands right. Please don't support that.
RE:Warning
by Dipak Patel on Dec 12, 2007 06:22 AM Permalink
Raj, I understand your feelings. But this is the reality of Indian politics. Things no one bothers about the human. take a recent example of Nandigram where so called secular communist are ruling. I do not remember but one of their leader said "nadigram got what it deserved". So all are same. Some are less bed some are more.
RE:Warning
by r patil on Dec 12, 2007 06:12 AM Permalink
From that 2000 many were killed by police firing.What do you expect government to do,when the hate between hindus-muslim run deep.This is even admitted by Rajdeep Sardesai,read his blog on CNN_IBN.Even after punjab terrorist killing hindus and congress killing sihks ,healing is possible.But healing between hindus and muslims is never posible.The sooner you all relise it the better it is to think for a solution.BJP is not the reason for muslim hatered,muslim hatered was there and is there ,infact it is increasing after every terrorist attack.
RE:Warning
by Viswas Sharma on Dec 12, 2007 07:12 AM Permalink
Few weeks before I saw a advertisement in the "Malayala Manorama" ( Christian News paper) in Kerala ----- Nurses needed in Ireland, immediate departure------------ Christians and Muslims prefered. So U R in which ireland, The Ireland I talked about or some other Ireland.... I think U converted to Xanity or do U cut your DING to reach there.
I am not a Gujarati, doesn't have any gujarati friends. But I know one gujarati, who will lead this country in near future. Sh. Narendra Modi Ji.
RE:Warning
by Rohit on Dec 12, 2007 05:08 AM Permalink
if you are so concerned about india and its future come back, stay and work here.....people like you have no right to worry about the state of our country.......
RE:Warning
by Raj on Dec 12, 2007 05:24 AM Permalink
Are you cribbing cause you could not get out? listen,, don't equate staying India with patriotism ... working abroad, sending work/money to India is more contributory than staying in India and supporting killers !! I guess pure logic is difficult for you to understand.
RE:Warning
by ab on Dec 12, 2007 06:09 AM Permalink
Well said Raj, most of these suckers are on the payroll of RSS Chaddiwalas...so they keep singing for them.
RE:Warning
by Dinesh Thakur on Dec 12, 2007 05:12 AM Permalink
If we will not worry then who will worry for what guys like Modi are doing to our beloved country. We are doing a lot by sending so much money too our poor people.
RE:Warning
by Raj on Dec 12, 2007 05:34 AM Permalink
and you stand outside Mumbai airport and stop when I come out and I might give you a euro ... then you can buy a knife with that and kill a muslim near by ... I am sure that will make India great .
RE:Warning
by Swami Aravind on Dec 12, 2007 05:36 AM Permalink
Dear Raj, Don't worry about the comments in Rediff as it not even represents 0.01% of Indian population. These so called "Hindus" will not move their tale, if there is real national crisis. As you said, Indian progress is hypothicated. If India does not learn from other countries, then it would be much worse than 1947 era. Nationlist movement in the name of relegion will be a disasterous proposal. We can see live examples in Muslim countries. Only handful people are progressed. So Youths, think about it.
RE:Warning
by Raj on Dec 12, 2007 05:42 AM Permalink
I hope you are right, Swami. I know rarely in India's history fundamentalists have prospered... but these social conflicts could kill economic progress.
RE:Warning
by Swami Aravind on Dec 12, 2007 05:46 AM Permalink
Unfortunately as whole India never had "Golden Era" since Indus Valley Civilization started. For example, Sri Budha went for "Sanyas" afer seeing the problems of comman man. Infact almost all countrie's hostory was like that. But in th elast Century things took turn in Western countries. Probably we can learn from them and progress like them. Its difficult, but I am not saying it is not possible.
RE:Warning
by Pradip Parekh on Dec 12, 2007 05:48 AM Permalink
so, do you agree with pm when he says muslims ahve the first right to national resources? do you agree that the indian govt should disregard the supreme court ruling on afzal guru? of course there is plenty of religion based congressi behavior, but obviously you weren't thinking of that were you?
RE:RE:Warning
by Arjun S on Dec 12, 2007 05:54 AM Permalink
Pradip Ji,
Congress has sold its soul to a Christian belief system.
Together with Communists, they want to CHRISLAMIZE India so that only those two parties can share power perpetually.
This Agenda is being implemented at state levels - through the support of Islamic terrorists as well as christian missionaries by the centre - and at central level - by changing text books to be antagonistic to Hinduism, by launching a concerted effort denouncing Hindu religious beliefs, by offering protection to any anti-hindu ideologue in the guise of "secularism".
This is no Machiavellian politics, this is just what these people learnt from their experience in KERALA (where BJP is completely shut out even after Hindus get frequently massacred by Muslims under the pretext of riots).
RE:RE:Warning
by Swami Aravind on Dec 12, 2007 05:58 AM Permalink
Pradip, can you name single politician from any party who is not biased? I bet you can't. All criminals should be punished whether he is a Muslim/Christian or Hindu
RE:Warning
by kp kp on Dec 12, 2007 06:25 AM Permalink
Did you just wake up from sleep? Where have you been? Shit happens, people get killed all the time in India and all over world thru riots and counter-riots, terrorism and counter-terrorism. Look at your own ireland. I hope you are not on dope or you must suffer from selective amnesia. 2000 killed was poetic justice. When law is impotent and politicians so callous to sentiments of people, that is how poetic justice has been served in India for as far back as i can remember. BJP got re-elected after 2002 riots and democracy did render its verdict. I suggest you move on as people of Gujarat have done to bigger and better things to worry about.
RE:The Commie/Congress master plan
by kp kp on Dec 12, 2007 06:12 AM Permalink
No need to worry about Gujarat. Gujarat is doing fine, thank you. Gujarat has seen progress that makes congress envious and Gujaratis all over the world are doing fine - they don't beg for humanity, they make their humanity with hard work. Congress can not deliver progress or humanity. Gujarat is better off without Congress.
The communists and congress have realized that if they want to perpetually share power, they will need to destroy HINDUTVA and weaken HINDUISM.
Take a look at KERALA. Because they have 45% minorities, BJP cannot win a single seat even in local elections, thereby the Cong/Commie rule is cemented no matter what they do.
Hence, their agenda is to slowly start building consensus to increase conversions into CHRISLAMISM. They want more Hindus to convert till India has 45-50% muslims and christians.
They kick started this plan by starting an orchestrated campaign against ALL HINDU GODS from Tamil Nadu, Bengal and Delhi. Anyone who urges them to have some self-restraint and stop their hate propaganda against HINDUS is branded "communal" by the media they have already bought.
If BJP doesnt win, the concerned educated HINDU elite will request Indian army or any truly secular establishment to seize control of India, and rescue HINDUs from the evil clutches of the commie/cong/sullah nexus.
RE:The Commie/Congress master plan
by Aquarius on Dec 12, 2007 05:48 AM Permalink
Bjp is not going 2 win.So what? the educated hindu elite is only 2% and as they practise caste system other hindus hate them.
RE:RE:The Commie/Congress master plan
by jhanshi on Dec 12, 2007 08:05 AM Permalink
I Don't understand why hindus are blamed for the caste system.Where as Muslim,Christian all have the same caste system but they address in a different way. Go and check in some indian matrimony sites.you will realize how caste system is there in islamic and christianity also.Rather they are very much particular about their caste system. I have a friend who is a chirstian and from him i learned all these.Congress party knows about this thing. But always brings that topic and blame Hindus for that.Pathetic part is i know many so called educated self claimed Hindus who supports congress,just because their forfathers had voted congress.Anyone who belongs to that category should be ashamed of themselves.
RE:The Commie/Congress master plan
by r patil on Dec 12, 2007 06:16 AM Permalink
caste system is very much a problem of converts too.Anyway hindus support BJP irrespective of the caste.MOdi is an obc his ancestors were oil extractors like the jews of maharashtra.
RE:The Commie/Congress master plan
by Arjun S on Dec 12, 2007 06:07 AM Permalink
Nope, the real racists are those who are pitting HINDUS against HINDUS in order to CHRISLAMIZE our society.
This hatred beetween HINDUs is essential to their stay in power.
Its they, who are feeding HATE.. Hindus dont hate each other, infact, most of us have already SHUNNED caste system and see ourselves just as HINDUs.
Those who still keep the CASTE concept alive are the communists, casteists and chrislamists.
Accept opinion polls with common sense. Accept the truth. Open a new chapter in Gujrat politics. Era of intimidation of Dalits and SC/ST is over. No more discrimination of Patel community. They have suffered lot due to discrimination.
RE:Opinion polls are always the indication to truth.
by Sameer on Dec 12, 2007 04:33 AM Permalink
Patels have suffered? Are you nuts? learn how to do propaganda and then post.
RE:Opinion polls are always the indication to truth.
by RB on Dec 12, 2007 04:38 AM Permalink
Sameer you don't know the truth. So many Patels are doing odd and painful jobs in western countries many of them cleaning toilets.
RE:Opinion polls are always the indication to truth.
by Arjun S on Dec 12, 2007 04:54 AM Permalink
SC/STs suffer from stupid inferiority complex that holds them back. Get over what happened 100 years back you morons. In modern India, so many Brahmin, Thakur are pulling rickshaws and starving without food. And yet, they are not begging and blaming any one for their poverty like you free loaders do.
Unless you people develop a sense of self respect and dignity, you will always remain "backward" classes.
RE:Opinion polls are always the indication to truth.
by Dinesh Thakur on Dec 12, 2007 05:09 AM Permalink
They suffered because of your intolerent behaviour Arjun.
RE:Opinion polls are always the indication to truth.
by Arjun S on Dec 12, 2007 05:28 AM Permalink
Dalits in India did NOT even suffer 0.00001% of the injustice that the aborigines in Australia, red indians in latin america and north America and blacks in Africa.... suffered under whites.
How many MILLIONS of Dalits did BRAHMIN, THAKUR and all upper caste EVER kill in GAS CHAMBERS ?
Did UPPER CASTE hindus ever did a genocide against lower castes ?
BLACK people in US were burnt alive just if they whistled at WHITE women, even in 1960s...
And GERMAN WHITES burnt and wiped out their entire jewish population, just due to racial hatred of jews.
Now tell me.. how many upper caste hindus did the same to you guys ? in the history of caste system ?
And inspite of not actually committing any physical crimes, we are currently suffering the world's most stringest affirmative action policy, which is the cruelest and most unjust in the history of human civilization.
And yet, we are NOT complaining.
Christian Whites in US, Germany or even in Apartheid South Africa who actually MURDERED people and are the real racists got away much lightly compared to the beningn upper caste Hindus, whose only crime was they did not know how to do a GOEBBELS propaganda like the SULLAH/CRITTER/COMMIE nexus.
RE:Opinion polls are always the indication to truth.
by Bhoomipalagan on Dec 12, 2007 05:52 AM Permalink
It would have been bettre if the bramin had woped out other hindus instead of torturing them all the time and making the dalit as personal slaves.
RE:Opinion polls are always the indication to truth.
by r patil on Dec 12, 2007 06:23 AM Permalink
Do you know what is slavery you idot.Slavery was that practised by jews in isreal,christains ,greek and arabia.
cast system is not slavery,you cannot force anybody to work,you have to pay for the srvise taken.Even dr Ambedkar did not assuce hindus was slavery.There is no slavery in hinduism,there was no slavery in hindus. Slavery is mentioned in torah,bible and koran.Their followers were the ones who had slaves.
RE:Opinion polls are always the indication to truth.
by Abhishek Dewan on Dec 12, 2007 05:53 AM Permalink
Right said friend. Some people only know how to crib
RE:Opinion polls are always the indication to truth.
by greatbush on Dec 12, 2007 04:32 AM Permalink
no,we accept only democracy It does not matter MODI wins or loses,we are not fools to accept opinion or onion polls.Whetever happens on 23rd of December,we welcome it.
I think It is time Modi should be PM and not just CM. If that happens then atleast we will not need elections any more. India would automatically collapse under his rule and then the country can make a new beginning.India and Indians will never develop. This is a country where people talk of hindus muslims, kois chamars....arre bloody all are human beings...i am surprised the blogs are being written by eductaed people. All ur degrees and certificates shud be burnt.....long live modi
RE:Modi must win
by Satakarni on Dec 12, 2007 04:17 AM Permalink
I think she meant India will be mecca(which is in saudi arabia) of Hinduism where Hindu values are respected.
RE:Modi must win
by KhukharShikari on Dec 12, 2007 04:18 AM Permalink
u must be get fu..c..ked by catloo..u never understand what congress is trying to do if they will be in power for another 10 years...
RE:Ignore exit polls!!
by r patil on Dec 12, 2007 06:26 AM Permalink
What's your problem are you a christain.It is a fact youever tries tell truth it is called as gospel trurth its a metaphor.
