What is the difference between Electoral Democracy and Constitutional Democracy ? What is the connection between democracy and development ? We must ponder on these questions. The issue about Modi is not Hinduism or Anti Hinduism ? If he is a good administrator then he should be brought at the national level. It is about his total disregard for the constitution and the rights that it gives its citizens. Can we have a leader above the constitution ? Can we have a leader above the law and the people. That is the danger of Modi. It is unfortunate that we do not have tall leaders to challenge his claims today and it has to be done by the media.
RE:On Gujarat Elections.
by Sameer on Dec 12, 2007 07:20 AM Permalink
There have been hundreds of more deadly riots inn the past where Hindus have been butchered. Where were all of you then? Gujarat riot in 2002 was first when more Muslims died than Hindus because lets put it that Hindus are tired of being the victim all the time. Had more Hindus been killed, I am pretty sure that all would have kept quie and gone about the business as nothing has happened. You shamelss people, doesn't your conscience bother you when Hindus are killed?
RE:On Gujarat Elections.
by Sameer on Dec 12, 2007 08:35 AM Permalink
How many do you want? Moradabad 1978, Bhagalpur 1981, Bombay 1992, Ahmedabad all the riots before 1992, numerous riots during 1989, Bhivandi numerosu times
RE:RE:On Gujarat Elections.
by Raj on Dec 12, 2007 07:36 AM Permalink
I can't really understand people like you, Sameer. How can two wrongs make right?
no one appreciated when hindus were killed and no one should accept when muslims / hindus are killed.
My conscience bothers me when anyone is killed whether it is Hindu or Muslim or any other religion. Please don't have selective conscience .. thats not science..
RE:On Gujarat Elections.
by Sameer on Dec 12, 2007 07:46 AM Permalink
If riots could be stopped so easily why didn't Congress stop hundreds of riots during their rule including Anti Sikh riots in 1984. Why would you expect Modi to be different? Why is he being singled out? Can any government stop riots in villages where there is no police?
Second, in riots Hindus get killed as well so it is not that only Muslim suffer during riots as the impression goes around.
Your conscinence does apear rather selective. Riots occur not because BJP or Modiis there but because there are fundamental difference between Hindus and Muslims over hundreds of years. Take out Modi--you think there would be no more riots? Lets start with this question. Why in the world Muslims won't recognize Hinduism as equal religion?
RE:On Gujarat Elections.
by rajan on Dec 12, 2007 09:06 AM Permalink
i certainly agree with u except one. we dont need anyone's/religions approval. all religion except hindusim are created by man. so we dont need anyone's approval. today in USA bhagawat gita is the mantra in board meeting.
RE:On Gujarat Elections.
by Arjun S on Dec 12, 2007 07:51 AM Permalink
Raj,
Did you know that the majority of Germans did not even know what was happening to Jews during WW-II ?
The same thing is happening in India to Kashmiri Pandits.
-->Govt of India's secularist policies have wiped out their kind, from 3 million in number, they have come down to 200,000.
-->India's muslim population is growing 24% higher than the Hindu population.
-->There are already more muslims in India than the entire population of upper castes in India.
--> That Malaysia was once a Hindu country with just 30% muslims, and muslims growth rate outpaced Hindu growth rate and once they hit 50%, they introduced Sharia and destroyed the entire Hindu population.
--> India's current muslim population is about 20%, and I give her 50 years before we turn into another Malaysia... if we dont act now.
--> BTW, all those Chinese who say proudly that they are very tolerant of muslims... one of my HAN Chinese friends told me that they killed nearly a MILLION muslims when they asked the communist govt simply the right to pray freely and organize.
--> Its only the sense of self-preservation which forces cultures and religions to be antagonistic to Islam and evangelicals, as we just want to save our culture, religion and heritage.
If we dont do it, we will end up like BLACK Africans and Native Americans.
RE:On Gujarat Elections.
by B g on Dec 12, 2007 07:42 AM Permalink
I agree with you Sameer. Look at Nandigram, the number runs in to thousands, No fuss about it. These red flagers ( CPI & CPM etc.) get hundreds of thousand killed every year. No body puts a question markm on them?
RE:On Gujarat Elections.
by Verus Gonsalves on Dec 12, 2007 07:53 AM Permalink
Its very unfortunate to see the hate democracy thats being built up in India. Hindu vs Muslims vs Christians and so on.... we are so engrossed in this religious war that we are forgetting where we as India need to go. There is no end to this religious extremism. Today Hindu majority kills muslims in Gujrat... tomorrow it will be muslims in UP killing Hindus and Christians in NE states. Are we moving towards secession of this country and please wake up to the fact that no religion can clean the others .... So this takes to secession of the country ... so after there is Hindu majority in the smaller states we start differentiating between caste as there will be no other religion to do that... Does this end... If you have a answer .... please go ahead killing the people of other religions and castes and call yourself the defenders of your own religion and caste and be happy... I hope you guys get happiness.
RE:On Gujarat Elections.
by Verus Gonsalves on Dec 12, 2007 08:29 AM Permalink
Well I got the point now... you guys have nothing to do with betterment Hindusim but the win of BJP. I am a Christian my self... but I Spread ethics of Hindusm and Geeta as much as I would talk about the Bible... well one more thing... can you please tell me policies that BJP has in stored to give the security feeling for all minorities and assurance that there wont be riots of such kind in future if it comes to power. This assurances in not necessary to minorities only but also to majority as the killing is on both sides. One more thing I would like to ask.. was anyone killed from your immediate family killed in any kind of riots.... i am sure no.. coz making statements are easier about the ethnic cleansing but when it comes to our family it hurts dear.. you may be of any religion in that matter and brings more hatred and feeling of revenge. Off late have you seen any riots in Mumbai on religion.. well they have learnt it hard way by loosing their loved ones in 1990. I am not against the BJP or Hinduism but against the extremism in worst form of killing your own country men.
RE:On Gujarat Elections.
by Sameer on Dec 12, 2007 08:00 AM Permalink
World's troubles can be reduced by 90% if all religions agree that there are many paths to God and all religions are equal. But Islam, Christians, Jews would have nothing of that. So the cycle of dominaiton by sword or fraud or inducement continues.
RE:On Gujarat Elections.
by talk cool on Dec 12, 2007 07:20 AM Permalink
his total disregard for the constitution ? -When did he do that? Can we have a leader above the constitution -When he said he is above Constitution? It is unfortunate that we do not have tall leaders to challenge -It is unfortuante we have not many leaders like him. Period.
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RE:why BJP-MODI?????
by kalki on Dec 12, 2007 07:43 AM Permalink
software chorke or koi investment nai hai kya...kashmir main kitne children mare tereko maloom kya...wht abt nondigram?
RE:why BJP-MODI?????
by B g on Dec 12, 2007 07:48 AM Permalink
Surely David you donot know the ground reality of Gujrat. Not even a fraction of a percent. Your thoughts and comments are influenced by the reporting of corrupt media.
In India as a whole, more than 25% of Industries are owned by Gujus and all of them have their roots in Gujrat. Including Ambanis, Birlas and Tatas.
RE:why BJP-MODI?????
by kp kp on Dec 12, 2007 09:13 AM Permalink
I think first terrorist by your definition would be Gandhi himself who let millions of HIndus get butchered by agreeing to partition of India on religious line. Godse killed one person, Gandhi killed millions. Second terrorist would be Nehru who jailed over 60 thousand Hindus without trial for crime that Godse committed - Gandhi's murder gave him pretext to jail entire political/ideological opposition from Hindu Mahasabha and RSS etc. Even Stalin would turn in his grave with envy what these nehru/gandhi could get away with it.
RE:why BJP-MODI?????
by mr josh on Dec 12, 2007 07:18 AM Permalink
congressi culture is culture of populism and bastar8888,,, congressi have not foundation to acuse any one, they are liar one,,,,
RE:Hinduism
by Raj on Dec 12, 2007 07:07 AM Permalink
just a bit of history .. Christians used to be quite fundamentalist in 1700-1800's,, what happened? today 95%Christian's in west do not go to church at all ... Islam is going through that phase now. If you really want Hinduism to prosper ,, make it free. People ultimately always choose free ideas . if you instead become fundamentalist and oppose every other religion .. Hinduism will go to dogs.
Just note,, even the worst criminals in movies are shown praying to god ..and all politicians go to Tirupati before elections.
I have no problem in making hinduism stronger but what has Modi got to with it??
do you really think Hinduism will become stronger by killing/suppressing muslims? Hinduism/India have grown culturally by being inclusive. Exclusion of any religion/ideology does not make hindus stronger ... that is one of problems of Islam today and hence all mullah's need forcing Islamic ideology
RE:Hinduism
by mr josh on Dec 12, 2007 07:21 AM Permalink
you are absulely right,,killing forcing on other your order does not augur well,, hinduism survived thorough centuries by its distinct quality of compassion,, aceptance and tolerance,,,
RE:Hinduism
by talk cool on Dec 12, 2007 07:24 AM Permalink
Who said Modi is killing,supressing Muslims. Congress divides the electorate vertically and horizontally as Patels,Kohlis, Muslims,Rebels and try to enjoy seeing the divided lot.
Never Modi supported riots.It just happened as it happens in all over India
Hinduism never allows the type of centralized authority evident in christianity and islam.
Therefore, the comparison of a DHARMIC religion like Hinduism to any of the ABRHAMIC relgions is invalid.
You could see that even during the most HINDUTVA conscious of all rulers - Maratha confederacy - Muslim mosques and people were unharmed.
On the other hand, during the ISLAMIC occupation of Constantinople, during the Christian occupation of native America.. all the local practices and places of worship were completely annihilated.
It would suit yourself to kindly understand reality and ensure the long term survivability of our noble religion and genuinely tolerant secularist ethos of HINDUISM through the cultural awakening of HINDUTVA.
RE:Hinduism
by Sameer on Dec 12, 2007 07:26 AM Permalink
Who is asking that Hindus need to suppress anybody? Are you trying to project your ideas on to me? I am just saying that Hindus need to have some guidance and some voice which can speak for the community as it does not have any.
can a foriegner with secondary education who has no knowledge of the local language, or culture, not belonging to the major religion of the country can become the 'leader' of the country. The world is laughing at this circus that there is not one Indian among billion that can lead this country. No wonder British relished ruling India. They left but Indian slavishness remains as firmly rooted as before.
RE:Only in India
by Arjun S on Dec 12, 2007 06:57 AM Permalink
Its due to 300 years of colonialism, our people worship WHITE skin. Especially our illiterate populations - who are the congress voters.
RE:question: Is Rahul's Colombian girl friend campaigning
by excelwin on Dec 12, 2007 06:51 AM Permalink
Colombian coffee tastes better than Italian coffee.
