I think the author is confused and trying to connect everything. what is the connection between discrimination against brahmins in TN, events in malaysia and the chennai incident. I agree with him on TN govts attitude, esp since i am a victim too. But what i also hear is indians getting racially abused in several countries. Its not wrong for India to voice its concerns on this, we always stand for equality. India should take this issue since indians are involved not tamilians or dravidians or to please the moron tn cm.
RE:confused
by indian atheist on Dec 08, 2007 07:07 AM Permalink
1) How are they Indians ? 2) Does India have a international standing to exert pressure on a country like Malaysia ? 3) What if Malaysians start raising voices in the UN about India's internal affairs? 4) Will it be helpful to the ethnic Indian community in Malaysia if India raises the issue on the international stage and then not be able to do anything ? 5) The Indian govt. has already washed its hands of this issue. Its an intelligent move.
RE:confused
by on Dec 08, 2007 07:40 AM Permalink
Who is 'on' or 'off' here? By prescribing to only a certain point of view is what makes one 'off'. There is a whale of difference about being victimized by fellow citizens in India and being discriminated in an alien land just because of ones racial or national origin. Fiji, Gulf, Suriname are places where Indians are marginalized and openly discriminated as the countries know that there will be none to espouse and support these minorities. Malaysian Tamils and Pakistani Hindus are examples where they are not allowed to express either their religion or their culture. Unless there is toleration these minorities will continue to be discriminated. Psuedo-western educated 'ON's' like you will never understand when to support for justice. Unfortunately our Indian polity seem to have more of your kind letting Indian origin people suffer and marginalized wherever they are.
Does not matter which religion you have, or where you live presently, if you have any ( ex. way of living, spritual, blood, physical) connection to the Veda Culture / Aryavarta Land (land which is presently called India) is an Indian. It's duty of everyone to stand for such an Indian..does not matter where you are....And to carry proud for being one.
RE:Anyone relating to Veda Culture / Aryavarta Land ..is an Indian
by jaya gopal on Dec 08, 2007 06:44 AM Permalink
This is the most stupidest thing to do. Only when you go to other countries you realise this. What Mr. Raja Baradwaj says is absolutely right. I know of people who have gone to the extent of degrading India and saying that they do not like the place or that there are no opportunities there to come up in life just so that they can get their permanent residency (green card) or citizenship. Why should we treat them as Indians when they have willingly cut themselves off from the Indian family. Only if he is an Indian Citizen, he is an Indian. Once he has taken Citizenship of another country he is no more an Indian. Our politicians really fool us because most of their kith and kins are citizens of other countries and they want the cake and eat it too.
RE:Anyone relating to Veda Culture / Aryavarta Land ..is an Indian
by Dare Devil Dragon on Dec 08, 2007 07:28 AM Permalink
Good Jayagopal; I totally agree with Raja and yourself on this article. The word 'India' came from the word 'Hindustan' which was the creation of westerners. AFter Europeans invaded in early 17th century, they started to divide the people by religion/caste/language and we never integrated after that. Even now, all the problems in our country is based on these. What Raja experienced in Chennai accident is true all over the country in INdia. Few months back, my cousin was met with an accident on the main road in Chennai at 10am, nobody came forward to help him; his motorcycle was damaged, his left leg was broken, unable to stand, traffic police came to him in shouting and asking money, people were just watching but nobody helped, he strugged himself even to stand, with great difficult, he moved to the side of the road and asked somebody to carry him to the hospital, thank GOD, few good men took him to the hospital. So, the reality is, We (Indian citizens) should concentrate on our own problems; we should not interfere into other country's internal problems. Unless Indian citizes face problems in other countries, then, Government of INdia should look into that; for example, for the probelsm of Indian expatriates' in the Gulf countries, Government should interefer and solve the problems. Government of INdia should not interfere on the problems of non-indian-citizens / people of indian origin in other countries.
RE:Anyone relating to Veda Culture / Aryavarta Land ..is an Indian
by indian atheist on Dec 08, 2007 07:14 AM Permalink
Yes Mr. Jaya Gopal. You are absolutely right.
RE:Anyone relating to Veda Culture / Aryavarta Land ..is an Indian
by Sandeep on Dec 08, 2007 07:12 AM Permalink
This narrowminded approach such as yours has been ruining the Indians for centuries...
There are always and will be some idiots who hate their own country or no positive feeling. That does not mean that all people must be left isolated.
The remedy you are suggesting of killiing the patient since she/he is sick is not the new one.
Oh, another thing. If Raja Baradwaj got hurt in America, the NRIs here wont shut him down. We're helpful like that. We send a lot of money everytime there is a tragedy. My dad supports a handicapped childrens school and many other little things. My husband and I plan ways to help India when we're older. So if Indians want to take up NRI cause and support us, its OK! Remember to help eachother at the same time. Being kind is a learned habit, so the more people do it, the more it becomes cultural.
RE:Supporting NRIs
by on Dec 08, 2007 05:30 AM Permalink
Exactly, you want to help India as NRI. So why cant India not help when NRI's need help? I otherwise agree with the author.
RE:RE:I call them hindus
by indian atheist on Dec 08, 2007 06:59 AM Permalink
Your post shows your ignorance toward understanding Indias position in the international community. For the international community India is just a big market. Nothing else. India has no diplomatic leverage on ANY country in the world including Nepal. India can raise the issue on the international stage but in return in risks opening a Pandora's box.
RE:RE:I call them hindus
by on Dec 08, 2007 07:48 AM Permalink
Athiest like you are most ignorant to comment on religious matters. You are lucky to be an atheist in India instead of being one in a muslim country.
Malaysian tamils hindus are discriminated not just because of their religious , racial and cultural origins. So do us a favor by immigrating to a muslim country to espouse your atheism.
RE:I call them hindus
by on Dec 08, 2007 07:49 AM Permalink
Athiest like you are most ignorant to comment on religious matters. You are lucky to be an atheist in India instead of being one in a muslim country.
Malaysian tamils hindus are discriminated not just because of their religious , racial and cultural origins. So do us a favor by immigrating to a muslim country to espouse your atheism.
hi Rajesh I agree about what you are saying, we Indians have that tendency ot feel happy if any Indain makesheadlines. But even if I'm a citizen of USA but still people call me Indian American not american. My roots are still Indian There is nothing wrong in that as an Indian I have my own culture which I cant not loose
I'm an NRI who is finding it harder and harder to host diverse Indian parties. Makes me laugh. I've had a Tamil guy proclaim that it used to be hard for anyone but Brahmins to get in universities. There were brahmins in the room who protested and soon everyone wanted to know who was which caste. One Mr.TamBram announced loudly that muslims are the only reason India is doing bad economically. My dad immediately had to tell him that if he has any questions about muslims, ask this guy here, he's muslim. LOL! What ever the differences, we still stick together because some of the people in the crowd are wonderful. Its like India, the moderates making peace for all the bigots.
The author is mixing up certain things while correctly pointing out that we glorify Indian origin people's achievement as our own. Malaysians or Srilankan Tamils or even Pakistani Hindu's though living in a foreign land have historical ties with India.
As an emerging power India cannot afford to be cold hearted if these overseas folks of Indian origin are mistreated. The least we could do is through diplomatic channels to ensure their safety. Otherwise I agree with the rest of the sentiments of the author
RE:Mixing things here
by Vasant on Dec 08, 2007 05:12 AM Permalink
I agree with author's views completely. Citizenship this clear line that demarcates. India should protect the rights of Indians anywhere in the world. Second generation indians should be protected by the country they / their ancestors have chosen upon need / greed.
RE:Mixing things here
by on Dec 08, 2007 05:22 AM Permalink
This is not black and white like citizenship. When the country discriminates and is unable to protect is when these folks need support. In general foreign countries especially gulf and certain muslim get away by mistreating Indian origin people. These people may or may not be Indian citizens but they have no other support. It is in these difficult times should Indian government step up through diplomatic channels. Many western educated hindu Indian intellectuals do not realize that when there were muslim related riots such as in Gujrat. There was immense pressure exerted by muslim countries on India. If religion can have affinity beyond countries borders why are we Indians being preached by even Indians to ignore targeted genocide of Indian origin people be they in Pakistan or in Malaysia
