You bring a maulvi in between God and man. Hinduism doesnt emphasize on maulvis or priests. Maulvis and Priests are Human beings. All Humans have the six evils: Kaama (Lust), Krodha (Anger), Lobha (Narrow midedness), Mada(Arrogance), Moha (Love) and Matsara (Jealous). Thats why we cannot treat Maulvis as Gods or messengers of Gods. The Idol that we worship embodies all the Good virtues of the God. Since we cannot see a God, the Idol symbolizes God and people pay their respect for the same. Hinduism, though Old, simplifies worshipping God. There are no complexities. There are no ONE TRUTHs like Islam. Monotheistic religions like Islam are doomed by their very nature of One truth.
RE:To Rasif Najeeb
by Sami on Dec 04, 2007 11:42 AM Permalink
Anand Kumar, I would like to inform that you have been misguided by sombody. There is no one in between God and man. This is basic teaching of Islam. As per your words Gods also had kama krodha Lobha moha matsara all. Kama- one god grabed the dress of bathing girls and hidden in the tree branches and enjoying their beauty. can we tell this as kama? Krodha - i hope you have read Geethopadesam. Lobha -- one god had three sons. one of them born to a servant maid. Although he was talented he was sidelined because he was a son of servant maid. Moha - read mohini vesham of one god
RE:To Rasif Najeeb
by Sami on Dec 04, 2007 12:04 PM Permalink
you yourself know that you can justify your words. Still you keep on telling? Islam has faced many people like you and it is the newer religion compared to others and the second biggest religion in the world and still growing.
RE:RE:To Rasif Najeeb
by Sami on Dec 04, 2007 11:45 AM Permalink
"The Idol that we worship embodies all the Good virtues of the God. Since we cannot see a God, the Idol symbolizes God and people pay their respect for the same."-- This is your statement.
a couple of months back there was a festival. Hindus made big big idols pryed night and day. After 10 days they took the idol in a procession to the sea and dipped the idol there. After that a group of people rushed to the idol beat the idol with enthuciasm and broke into pieces. next day morning the pieces of the idol's broken face limbs were found in rubbish. In fact i am giving a picture some what decently. but the happening was still bad.
RE:To Rasif Najeeb
by talk cool on Dec 04, 2007 11:52 AM Permalink
this is because we invite God to be there when we pray.After we pray he will go.After he left it is merry idol. Understood u mor on.
RE:To Rasif Najeeb
by Anand Kumar on Dec 04, 2007 11:55 AM Permalink
If you are talking about Krishna sir, then he was not God. He was a prophet. He was a messenger of God. Just like Mohammed who had paedophile qualities and cannot quite be called God. Mohammed is not even a prophet, by the way
RE:RE:To Rasif Najeeb
by Sami on Dec 04, 2007 12:08 PM Permalink
can others endorse your statement? and you know muhammed PBUH, had 13 wifes and the world knows who are they what are their names. All are leagally married. And prophet muhammed PBUH has respected the modesty of woment. he never grabed women's clothe and enjoyed their beauty stealthily
RE:To Rasif Najeeb
by Sami on Dec 04, 2007 12:18 PM Permalink
i. "na tasya pratima asti"There is no image of Him."[Yajurveda 32:3]5 ii. "shudhama poapvidham""He is bodyless and pure." [Yajurveda 40:8]6iii. "Andhatama pravishanti ye asambhuti mupaste""They enter darkness, those who worship the natural elements" (Air, Water, Fire, etc.). "They sink deeper in darkness, those who worship sambhuti."[Yajurveda 40:9]7 Sambhuti means created things, for example table, chair, idol, etc.iv. The Yajurveda contains the following prayer: "Lead us to the good path and remove the sin that makes us stray and wander."[Yajurveda 40:16]8
RE:To Rasif Najeeb
by Prabhakaran Nair on Dec 04, 2007 12:41 PM Permalink
be a human being. Don't go further. If you think further then everying is worng abt relegion/cast etc. You will not get peace in your life.
RE:To Rasif Najeeb
by Topno on Dec 04, 2007 11:31 AM Permalink
Muslims are misguided that God has a special place somewehere and he lives there. They dont know whatever objects they see in this universe contain God. Hinduism teaches this.
Hindus worship everything, sun, earth, tree, water etc. Because they accept that everywhere God is present.
RE:To Rasif Najeeb
by Chanakya on Dec 04, 2007 11:37 AM Permalink
and what about others...though they do not pray any of these, they certainly kill all of these, including human beings.. best of luck to you
RE:To Rasif Najeeb
by Topno on Dec 04, 2007 11:37 AM Permalink
But Muslims kill human in the name of Jehad. In Kashmir, Afghanistan, Bangladesh, Malayasia, Iraq, Palestine...
RE:To Rasif Najeeb
by Topno on Dec 04, 2007 11:41 AM Permalink
What a religion preach is known from the action of its followers. Muslims are fighting against Budhists (demolition of Bamiyan Budha), Jews, Christians, Sikhs (killed thousands during partition) , Hindus.
Islam does not preach peaceful living with others. Whereever muslims are in majority they torture & kill the minority. Example Malayasia, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Afghanistan.
If your religion is so great, then why Shia and Sunni are killing each other in Iraq, Pakistan, Afghanistan. Why there is discremination against women to allow into Masjid?
God is there everywhere. And everything is god. Then how the distinguition of River,Sea,Caste,Sudra,Vaisya etc. A cunning lot of Indian people are exploiting others through this type of debate. Were they discussing the death of poor farmers of Vidarbha in Maharashtra?
RE:Headless chickens
by Topno on Dec 04, 2007 11:17 AM Permalink
If your religion is so great, then why Shia and Sunni are killing each other in Iraq, Pakistan, Afghanistan. Why there is discremination against women to allow into Masjid?
RE:Headless chickens
by Sami on Dec 04, 2007 11:25 AM Permalink
Imam Sheikh has already given fatwah. When Krish can go abroad and have his temple there, it is not a sin on a devotee to go abroad
To deliver the great Chicago address Swami Vivekanand crossed the sea. It is apparent that None of these priests mongering for power are learned or have learnt anything from our scriptures.
RE:Swami Vivekananda crossed the sea
by Sami on Dec 04, 2007 12:23 PM Permalink
VAK, Ashok is correct. Swami Vivekanand went to america and addressed "Brothers and sisters of America"
RE:Swami Vivekananda crossed the sea
by Prashant V Thakur on Dec 04, 2007 12:23 PM Permalink
He was above all mortals n Shankaracharyas, dear Bak Bakji. Don't divert the topic to foolish angles. Vivekananda was, is n will remain "EKMEVADWITIYA" i.e. UNIQUE.
All this is for getting power and nothing to do with the teachings of religion. These priests must set an example for the people to follow but their example is only followed by politicians which they have also become. Sad.
Our religion has evolved and is not bound by the teachings of any single person - it is enough to ask whether the person is indulging in anything immoral by crossing the seas? We dont know the reason behind the restriction that prevailed centuries ago - it is stupid to cling to it just because it is some tradition handed down.
Hanuman Ji Crossed the Sea And yet in his heart Lord Ram continues to be I don't see why worshipping lord krishna should be different This is unnecessary controversy Bolo Shri Ramchandra ki jai
RE:a thought
by Sethu Madhavan on Dec 04, 2007 11:14 AM Permalink
Correct. Not only Hanuman Ji, Ram, Lakshman, Sita - all had crossed the sea. So they themselves are not eligible for being worshipped. Almost all religions were globally spread by priests, and those priests were falicitated and not humiliated for their efforts like this. People have become mad to grab the power, and I feel this scenerio has been created to invite polititions as has been seen in every field to show that might is right.
RE:a thought
by Sami on Dec 04, 2007 11:26 AM Permalink
Imam Sheikh has already given fatwah. When Krish can go abroad and have his temple there, it is not a sin on a devotee to go abroad
RE:a thought
by James Baker on Dec 04, 2007 11:54 AM Permalink
Sethu, U should know better.. This controversy isn't about crossing the ocean per say. True HanumanJi, RamJi etc., crossed the ocean..but in Kali Yug we mortals can't be compared to them..Also this controversy isn't about Power or money..as the mathas involved don't care for all this..The controversy is about the right to do pooja of krishna within the prescribed rules. In India we have system called Loukeeka and Vaideka..We normal people are the Loukeeka..we do pooja at home go to USA make a living, wear Jeans eat onions, eat in resturants, watch movies etc., do the normal stuff..The Vaideekas keep strict vigil on what they eat do wear( they can't wear stiched cloth) etc., They do this to maintain very clear focus..a focus on God and spirtual learning.. Now having the authority to perform pooja to Sri Krishna at Udupi or any other sacred place in India requires only such Vaideeka to do it. These are the rules. if these rules are broken what next..you can even have a jeans wearing guy worship Gods in the temple?? So to maintain the sanctity our temples only such rules following Vaideekas are allowed to do Pooja..Now the question in front of the comittee is weather going to USA broke any Vaideeka rules?? As sometimes the cows that give milk in USA are fed with meat products adn such sutle information. Its all about maintaining the sactity of the temple that has been gaurded for hundreds of years and thats what the controversy is about...All the 8 Swamis involved are very knowl
RE:Please change the spelling to mutt instead of math.
by Sami on Dec 04, 2007 11:27 AM Permalink
Imam Sheikh has already given fatwah. When Krish can go abroad and have his temple there, it is not a sin on a devotee to go abroad
To my hindu friends - What is the core ideal of Hinduism? Like in Islam - It is worshipping of one God without ascribing any partners to him? This is the most important thing in Islam. Rest all comes after this.
RE:What is Hinduism?
by P. K. Mare on Dec 04, 2007 10:32 AM Permalink
Rasif...pl change ur discussion board immediatly otherwise u will be abused here. pl quit.
RE:RE:What is Hinduism?
by Sami on Dec 04, 2007 12:14 PM Permalink
i. "na tasya pratima asti"There is no image of Him."[Yajurveda 32:3]5 ii. "shudhama poapvidham""He is bodyless and pure." [Yajurveda 40:8]6iii. "Andhatama pravishanti ye asambhuti mupaste""They enter darkness, those who worship the natural elements" (Air, Water, Fire, etc.). "They sink deeper in darkness, those who worship sambhuti."[Yajurveda 40:9]7 Sambhuti means created things, for example table, chair, idol, etc.iv. The Yajurveda contains the following prayer: "Lead us to the good path and remove the sin that makes us stray and wander."[Yajurveda 40:16]8
RE:What is Hinduism?
by vinay s on Dec 04, 2007 10:39 AM Permalink
this is beyond your comprehension. So do not attempt to understand it. You will get stuck with the matrix. Islam is specifically made for junk heads like you.
RE:What is Hinduism?
by Mohammed Rehman on Dec 04, 2007 10:34 AM Permalink
Ha Ha Ha Worshipping, then why do you idiots listen to maulvis and have sects in your religion
RE:What is Hinduism?
by Golden Eagle on Dec 04, 2007 10:39 AM Permalink
Hinduism is more a way of life than a religion. It is an all embracing and all encompassing view of life not limited by or to worshipping one or the other form of the Almighty creator of the universe. The solid foundation on which the very beliefs of Hinduism are laid upon is ONE GOD. No matter what form, what way, what time, what means are adopted to be united with Him.
RE:What is Hinduism?
by Rasif Najeeb on Dec 04, 2007 11:09 AM Permalink
To the only person who bothered to reply about Hinduism... So, both Hinduism and Islam is based on ONE GOD. Only difference - Islam doesnt allow any form, any way etc. No bringing idols in between God and man...
RE:RE:What is Hinduism?
by Topno on Dec 04, 2007 11:24 AM Permalink
You are talking as if you only know the God and all other are fools.
What a religion preach is known from the action of its followers. Muslims are fighting against Budhists (demolition of Bamiyan Budha), Jews, Christians, Sikhs (killed thousands during partition) , Hindus.
Islam does not preach peaceful living with others. Whereever muslims are in majority they torture & kill the minority. Example Malayasia, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Afghanistan.
If your religion is so great, then why Shia and Sunni are killing each other in Iraq, Pakistan, Afghanistan. Why there is discremination against women to allow into Masjid?
RE:What is Hinduism?
by galilio on Dec 04, 2007 04:44 PM Permalink
hinduism is the way of life worshipping only one god' brahmam',which form is impersonal which you call as 'allah'in arabhic while brahmam is a sanskrit language.but to creat a beautiful universe with human beings,creatures,plants and planets,such impersonal god does not fit in to our vedas created from brahman which talks of supreme god who manifest in different avatars -that supreme god we worship is as lord vishnu who took human birth in the names of lord ram and krishna as avatars. while allah is the impersonal to our first stage of understanding of brahmam, islam has not passed on to the second stage of making god as personal like we pray lord ram or krishna.that is why we call krishna as para brahmam- supreme god who keeps in his sweetheart of thought in the form of feminine nature which we call as lakshmi.to creat a humanbeing,animal,bird,plants,creature you need both male and feminine.even planets are having both qualities.example moon/venus are feminine and sun/mars are male gender. that is why to show the truth of creation, lord vishnu,supreme soul creater of entire universe rest in the bed of serpent coil from sea,came a lotus flower from vishnu naval blossmed to creat brahma,creater of human beings and creatures. this symbolic with the birth of all in world with umbillical card from gharbham in the shape of lotus which exactly shows that hinduism has science and spirituality unlike islam/xtianity.
RE:What is Hinduism?
by Gajanan Mohite on Dec 04, 2007 11:31 AM Permalink
You cannot hold water if you press your palm with water inwards ( formless worship) , but as soon as it becomes ice, you can hold hold it in your palm ( worship with a form). The contents in both ice and water is H2O.
RE:What is Hinduism?
by Anand Kumar on Dec 04, 2007 11:25 AM Permalink
You bring a maulvi in between God and man. Hinduism doesnt emphasize on maulvis or priests. Maulvis and Priests are Human beings. All Humans have the six evils: Kaama (Lust), Krodha (Anger), Lobha (Narrow midedness), Mada(Arrogance), Moha (Love) and Matsara (Jealous). Thats why we cannot treat Maulvis as Gods or messengers of Gods. The Idol that we worship embodies all the Good virtues of the God. Since we cannot see a God, the Idol symbolizes God and people pay their respect for the same. Hinduism, though Old, simplifies worshipping God. There are no complexities. There are no ONE TRUTHs like Islam. Monotheistic religions like Islam are doomed by their very nature of One truth.
RE:RE:What is Hinduism?
by talk cool on Dec 04, 2007 11:21 AM Permalink
We don't idolize but we reach/medetiate (or concentrate) God using idols. Whey do u visit kaaba and do Haj? Is'nt Kaaba a idol?
RE:RE:RE:What is Hinduism?
by Sami on Dec 04, 2007 12:15 PM Permalink
i. "na tasya pratima asti"There is no image of Him."[Yajurveda 32:3]5 ii. "shudhama poapvidham""He is bodyless and pure." [Yajurveda 40:8]6iii. "Andhatama pravishanti ye asambhuti mupaste""They enter darkness, those who worship the natural elements" (Air, Water, Fire, etc.). "They sink deeper in darkness, those who worship sambhuti."[Yajurveda 40:9]7 Sambhuti means created things, for example table, chair, idol, etc.iv. The Yajurveda contains the following prayer: "Lead us to the good path and remove the sin that makes us stray and wander."[Yajurveda 40:16]8
RE:What is Hinduism?
by cupid on Dec 04, 2007 11:16 AM Permalink
@rasif
tell me some thing , do muslims have some kind of imperative itching feeling in their scrotch to spread their reilgion ???? .....why dont u shut up and dont poke ur dirty nose in our affairs .....
Maybe they should revert to adwaitha philosophy which discusses the inherent unity of the world - A united consciousness of the world! Then there wouldnt be a problem at all if you crossed a sea or went to Mars. What say? Stop bickering about who crossed what, and please uphold true spiritual ideals. You are making a mockery of the religion and its ideals and essence...Sheesh!
RE:Maybe they should revert to adwaita philosophy
by on Dec 04, 2007 10:57 AM Permalink
It is mischevious.The philosophies are not in dispue. only the proceedure is questioned.Inherent unity of the world as proposed by advaita has to be checked with the vedic pramanas.Any way the dispute is different and your suggestion is mischevious.
