These chinese are the biggest threat to the world! First of all they dump goods prepared in sweat shops, where their people are exploited, without any opportunity to justice by trade unions and minimum wages, and again with great harm being done to the environment... One needs to see Shanghai to understand what I mean. Six lane highways and sky scrapers are all great, but whats the point if the sky is grey with pollution, and the water being supplied is higly polluted?
RE:Chinese..
by Vishnu Sharma on Sep 01, 2007 07:45 AM Permalink
These Chinese will leave a legacy worse than the Soviet Union and Nazi Germany put together.
The number of Tibetans they have murdered already exceeds the number of Jews and Poles murdered by the Germans during WWII.
China is planning a massive expansion and is arming Bangladesh. They have their eyes on all our 7 Eastern States.
Our only hope is acquiring more NUKES and MISSILES, Increasing the strength of our Navy 10 fold, Increasing the strength of our AIRFORCE to 3 times its current size and to have 12 million personal in the Indian ARMY. We need to ARM OUR SELVES TO OUR TEETH. We need to BEEF UP our ARMED FORCES PERIOD.
We should even go in for RESEARCH IN CHEMICAL warfare. Sarin, Tabun,Soman, VX etc. We need to add a Chemical Warfare branch to our Armed forces.
Give me your mandate and I will build all these up for India. The Indian ARMY will then have LAND, AIR, NAVY, CHEMICAL, BIOLOGICAL, NUCLEAR and PsyOPS forces totaling 40 million peronal.
RE:RE:Chinese..
by mr on Sep 01, 2007 08:24 AM Permalink
You also cool down & don't stay in the old concept & come out of the mud-huts and start a meaningful life for the modern world.
RE:Chinese..
by Vishnu Sharma on Sep 01, 2007 08:54 AM Permalink
I am not talking about attacking China I am just saying that we should be TOTALLY prepared Never AGAIN WILL THERE BE A 1962.
RE:Chinese..
by mr on Sep 01, 2007 10:40 AM Permalink
That is the right point of a democratic nation. Being a large sub-continent, we cannot be dictated like containment or capment, what extra power Chinese than Indians. We should not allow any one have any dare to think of anything like that. You got some valid point.
RE:Chinese..
by mr on Sep 01, 2007 10:43 AM Permalink
What ever bilateral ties, we should be in a position to tell mistakes as mistakes when it comes to our national security. For that we should have defense. If we don't have that we should try to get that.
RE:RE:Chinese..
by mr on Sep 01, 2007 10:48 AM Permalink
We guys have some different people with different politics or views talking and some liberty to talk, they might be more organized because of their single party system.
The two major forces defining politics in India have been freedom movement and the cultural modernisation. The freedom movement efforts led to multiple approaches, often independent of each other, often localised, until INC under MK Gandhi were able to build a nationwide meffort which is lawful, assimiliative and paradoxically defiant.
Meanwhile, at cultural level, the interaction with European intellectual heritage and the English language policy was leading to cultural modernisation and religious emancipation of unprecedented degree. These unregulated forces found a meaningful metaphor in M K Gandhi and even accorded a Mahatma status to him. A lawyer cum 'satyagrahi' became the helmsman for Indian freedom.
Both these major forces are not a threat to China in any manner. Both infact would seek a sympathetic chord.
The Indian measures are purely defensive and to contain expansionist China. The Tibet transgression and beyond have evoked determined Indian responses, which may continue to harden further.
RE:Defensive measures
by desss on Sep 01, 2007 06:50 AM Permalink
Even after accepting China's crookedness and a policy of double standards for Pakistan and India, It is a fact that Nehru was a fool and betrayed himself more than anything else
RE:Defensive measures
by Ramesh Nittoor on Sep 01, 2007 07:07 AM Permalink
While India has a Constitutional congruency with US, its pro-Pak Kashmir policies, its anti-Bangladesh policy, its tech denial to India, its Nixonian Sino-US axis, all these are also sadly the reality we need to contend. As we strengthen security archtitecture with 'natural allies' , need to have a 360 degree clarity is also necessary.
RE:RE:Defensive measures
by Ramesh Nittoor on Sep 01, 2007 07:09 AM Permalink
US is not eaxcelt generous. For instance while India is looking for fighter crafts for next 40 years, they are offering ONLY what they have been having for last 40 years! The passing of dated stuff is not confined to IBM alone, while led our ole George to lietrally tee them off!
RE:RE:RE:RE:Defensive measures
by Ramesh Nittoor on Sep 01, 2007 07:14 AM Permalink
On the N-deal, which ofcouse is far superior to having no deal, is a good deal but not exactly what we really seek. May be vernacular can express it better. ............ sirf aap hain jo is naakam mun ko paan khilakar kahatay hain, jalpaan hua aur sookha gala yah maan bhee leta hain!
RE:Defensive measures
by mr on Sep 01, 2007 07:25 AM Permalink
I here little confused, you telling some advice or anything. You tell all, but what about china's proliferation standards?
RE:RE:Defensive measures
by Ramesh Nittoor on Sep 01, 2007 07:45 AM Permalink
I am also bewildered! frankly, we as laymen surely would be confused. We do not know the facts, we do not know what was discussed. All we know is what we read and this is pretty confusing.
RE:RE:RE:Defensive measures
by Ramesh Nittoor on Sep 01, 2007 07:47 AM Permalink
I normally like to go by the late Soviet Foreign Minister Gromyko, he had said "don't go by what US says, go by what US does!".
RE:Defensive measures
by Ramesh Nittoor on Sep 01, 2007 08:53 AM Permalink
As far as N-deal is concerned, it is a real and spectacular breakthrough, if brought to fruitation. The difficulties which lie ahead are in NSSP alone. The contentions BJP/NDA is trying to sqaure up to are regarding NSSP. Let us pray, these will work out ok.
RE:Defensive measures
by Ramesh Nittoor on Sep 01, 2007 07:41 AM Permalink
We are not decision-makers, just ordinary citizens participating here. The complexity is inherent in the issue itself and the equations India had been subjected to. If we ordinary readers can get a glimpse of the immense difficulties our political leaders, diplomats, journalists, and policy makers are facing that would be good enough. May be readership will get grudgin respect for Mr. Karat!
RE:Defensive measures
by Ramesh Nittoor on Sep 01, 2007 06:35 AM Permalink
Precisely, China has always been on offensive against India. It has led and supported CPM, when CPM became nationalist, they floated Maoists. Pak calls them 'all-weather' ally and China remains so. China's grand design is obtain access to Middle-East, particularly Iran via Pakistan.
RE:Defensive measures
by Ramesh Nittoor on Sep 01, 2007 06:41 AM Permalink
Here, the economic equations need not be antagonistic. Manishankar Aiyer's 'with China' policy, which had failed earlier, may click next time. This option ought to be kept open by India with a firm non-aligned policy. Such nuancing is not easy!
RE:Defensive measures
by mr on Sep 01, 2007 06:48 AM Permalink
We are a democratic country, we could have told in proper manner you expected in a well written way in a democratic country, which is meaningful to you. But here no one will allow to do that. If I miss one point, then other point becomes meaningless.
This is almost as if China wants India to feel apologetic for having a 'dream' to become a powerful country, to expand her hands outside Asia. Clearly, what China wants us to do is- accept us as the boss of Asia. Dont come in our way of becoming the next super-power, even if that means poverty, deprivation and a weak India. Well, they are actually doing what every country wants to do- eliminate threats. It is we, we stupid Indians, who see this game, still close our eyes. Or should I say, a group of some 40, 50 or 60, whatever insignificant that number is, who are themselves blinded and have a vision of India going back to 1950's, or may be even who work on behalf of their Beijing chinki bosses, are humiliating the wishes of the majority of India. I think the stupidity of the logic of the Parliament will has gone to such absurd extent, that for certain basic issues, we need referendums to decide. This deal, could be one of them, economic issues another, key constitutional and political reforms another. I know it sounds almost stupid, but we have been too often been told that the 545 are the bosses, and they ONLY know what's good for us.. In the end- CHINA WE ARE SORRY TO SEE DREAMS. WE FORGOT THAT THAT RIGHT YOU TOOK AWAY FROM US IN 1962 AND BY 'INSTALLING' YOUR CHINKS HERE
http://www.samachar.com/showurl.php?rurl=http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/US_wanted_India_to_pip_China_to_N-test_Report/rss articleshow/2328268.cms&news=US%20wanted%20India%20to%20pip%20China%20to%20N-test:%20Report&pubDate=Sat Sep 1 03%3A11%3A04 IST 2007&keyword=toi_home
Eisenhower wanted to give Indians Nukes in 1959 but Nehru said NO NO NO. Eisenhower wanted to send a team of scientists from US to seriously help India develop Nukes. If we had Nukes in 1960. Then do you think the Chinese would have invaded in 1962 ? Very Doubtful. Given this scenario,We may have even been able to save the Independence of Tibet. We need to get over our inferiority complex once and for all and be able to stare any one down.
RE:Check this news article out:
by mr on Sep 01, 2007 04:24 AM Permalink
Yes. We should go with Americans for sure, this time. They gave lot of wealth not threats.
RE:We should call Chinese as threat, but we are telling all sovereignity issues to Americans.
by mr on Sep 01, 2007 03:52 AM Permalink
We Indians doesn't know whom to call as threat & whom to call as not threat.
RE:We should call Chinese as threat, but we are telling all sovereignity issues to Americans.
by mr on Sep 01, 2007 03:55 AM Permalink
But in the reverse Chinese are telling Indians as threat.
RE:We should call Chinese as threat, but we are telling all sovereignity issues to Americans.
by mr on Sep 01, 2007 04:07 AM Permalink
Trust is a mutual understanding, we trusted in 1962 & we got it back in big quantities. I saw a hindi speaking chinese link sent by Visnu Sharma, what a fat sucking arrogant.
I find it surprising that Chinese mouth piece first informs indirectly to the left front and after couple of days, Indian left changes its stance!!!!!
Indians know what is best for them and Indian people also have come to know the postures of Indian left front. I feel sad for those poor folks of two states in India who vote (or forced to vote) in favor of these pseudo politicians. I can assure you that none of these TV practice politicians have ever got elected as local panch in a village panchayat. However, they are ever eager to show their made-up faces on TV on every possible opportunity.
If america has to choose between a democracy and communishits authoritiative govt, it will certainly choose democracy provided that democracies markets are accesible for america and humanrights are not terrible.
RE:choice china or India
by Sunil Agrawal on Sep 01, 2007 03:55 AM Permalink
Vietnam, Iraq, Korea, Japan, Germany, Philippines, history tell us about the real USA.
Strategic partnership is good but blind trust is suicide.
Dear China, If India wants to become one of the super power then what's wrong in that? If you can one of the permanent members (despite no democracy, human rightabuse etc.) in UN with veto power then at least India can be a global power.
West always support West but why this is not true in case of Asia? Why we behave like crab and pull legs of each other?
RE:RE:If China can then why not India?
by Sunil Agrawal on Sep 01, 2007 03:46 AM Permalink
My great tradition (of India) teaches me to respect everybody. This is the way we communicate dear.
