By sigining the 123-Deal,MMS is definitely not rooting for N-energy development.He is vying for a permanent subordination of India to US.Besides,he also wants to ensure that US and its other NSG chums make at least 6-8 lakh crores from India during the next 20-25 years!That is the economics behind 123-Deal!!Knowing that this is the pile of money over which the Deal table is set,MMS could instead have exhorted the BARC scientists and engineers to put their heart and soul into the development of the wondrous thorium cycle 20 years ahead of the 3-phase plan penciled 25 years ago.It is not that the thorium cycle is in the realm of the imaginary.Its lab manifestations have been well studied and documented.What is needed is a chain of FBRs of 1500-2000 MW each.Towards this the 500 MW PFBR under construction needs to be speeded up and turned critical at the earliest.This will help in consuming all the spent fuels now stored in underground silos in some locations.Only when we have the 2nd and 3rd FBRs of 1000 MW each we plan to start working with thorium,which is the safest nuke fuel known to man.MMS could have inspired the scientists and Indian industry to come up with a plan to make India totally independent of servitude to US,USSR,etc, besides,showing the safe nuke energy path to many African and Latin American nations.This is the way to global leadership and greatness for India and definitely not the 123-Deal,which is the way to eternal subordination in global geo-politics!
RE:That's not the way to root for Nuke energy
by biju chacko on Aug 31, 2007 03:32 PM Permalink
THORIUM REACTORS !4 EFFICIENT DESIGN IT TAKES MINIMUM 10 YRS ,ACC TO OUR SCIENTISTS .SHOULD OUR INDUSTRY, THIER BY OUR PEOPLE STARVE FOR ENERGY TILL THAT TIME
RE:That's not the way to root for Nuke energy
by Chakravarthy Muralidhar on Aug 31, 2007 04:48 PM Permalink
You can be sure that no nuke plant is going to put in great surges of enenrgy into the grid and turn the power starved industry to full hum in even the next 2 years once the 123-Deal is signed.It will take atleast 8-10 years to see any results.Instead,if we start earnestly to think creatively and work hard diligently,we definitely can have the first commercial thorium reactor in 12 years!And that will be ALL OUR VERY OWN!!It will be equivalent of putting man on moon,literally,technically and absolutely!!Do we Indians aspire to do something like that?Or do we just want to be servile to the currently technologically advanced nations?Can you hope to be urged and implored upon to take a permanent seat in the Security Council as equals with the current five?Or do we want to continue our implorations, canvassing and road shows to let us be admitted to the security council as a permanent member on the basis of our population alone?
Look at the domestic dog.It leads a hassle free life with assured food,security,etc. as long as it serves its master well and learns all that the trains him to perform.Compare it to that of a wild dog in a pack.This dog has to constantly plan for its food,keep itself prepared for attacking as well as attack,work cooperatively with other members without being told by a master.It has to take care of the young,feed them,provide security,teach them to hunt,etc.Result:Wild dogs have bigger brains than their domestic cousins and genetically stronger!!
Left's problem is their own Communist Ideology though they want to agree to the deal. They will agree after giving bit hard time in that way they can say to keep up their Ideology. BJP wanted to do this kind of agreement but Mr Singh already did it. How can American Law bind India, It never did till now. Next thinking of Cost. It will just take few years for India to recoup the cost. USA Chooses India as it know India will never go to war with USA but China can. When I look at history, India made the mistake of not accepting US freindship and US made the mistake of not having proper forsight of China Stance. India and USA could have been Natural partners since the historical times.
RE:Left, BJP and UPA
by kalpen tripathi on Aug 31, 2007 02:09 PM Permalink
Man it all depends on the future trade and relationship of India with USA. You have to think of India's benefit. USA will like to reduce trade with China for it stance and India can still keep the US economy going. US will never just pull out of agreement at the expense of its trade and economy by that time India will have good financial position and enough relations with other countries because of its own position like the China have now. How can then US law be effective that is what I mean.
RE:Left, BJP and UPA
by kalpen tripathi on Aug 31, 2007 02:19 PM Permalink
The problem with pakistan is of it commitment with USA after taking the money of US for that purpose. And India will have the power too to say no for the amount of trade and position it will have by then. China rebukes US but tell me what can US do? China has looked for its benefit and never turned to look at how its Big neighbour is. We have scope with US. 7% of the total energy will be not as effecting the progress of India as 70% of energy shortage now.
RE:Left, BJP and UPA
by kalpen tripathi on Aug 31, 2007 02:12 PM Permalink
When I say trade with US. It means trade will all the western countries will go high not just US.
RE:RE:Left, BJP and UPA
by Alok Dube on Aug 31, 2007 02:16 PM Permalink
the question isnt trade, fine we will buy from china too if they can sell stuff so cheap. tax kyun bharta hai? simply put never trust someone stronger than you for your self defense. dekh aaj ki date mein koi demand nahi hai is deal ki. jab aayega tab tu nuclear fuel china sey khareed ley, sasta padeyga. the americans want to do it because they see money.. if we want to do it to solve a genuine problem we should buy it from elsewhere. If the objective is to open trade relations and take away china's share, then dude,as of date it doesnt matter. we can continue like this for the next 10 years and be happy, invest back in hydroelectric or solar, and solve the problem for today
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by kalpen tripathi on Aug 31, 2007 02:24 PM Permalink
China ask's for Arunachal pradesh. Trade is not what we can buy from China but What we can sell. China will never leave standing with Pakistan as it was a doorway to middle east market. Hydro electricity is the not a enough option and Solar is very costly, might be to generate at the level we need might be very huge.What I mean is if you can say no to USA today then make yourself worth so much that you can say no tommorrow if required but without losing development.Neighbouring countries of India are not so cooperative with India as with China and China will use this power in the future to take away much from India then India will lose on US breaking the 123 agreement.
RE:Left, BJP and UPA
by Alok Dube on Aug 31, 2007 02:53 PM Permalink
okie why this stuff..we need electricity right? why cant we have electricity on our own using hydro when we have such big companies in india? i am not saying stagnate, i am saying we have missed a lot of tech buses before, and this solves only 2 problems, 1 of self defense, the other of electricity now (1) is where the techs come in, (2) is where we can do it on our own without (1)
RE:RE:RE:Left, BJP and UPA
by kalpen tripathi on Aug 31, 2007 03:09 PM Permalink
I wish grow up on our own then what is the use of all this confusion. Strong means many things in this world.
RE:Left, BJP and UPA
by kalpen tripathi on Aug 31, 2007 03:06 PM Permalink
Anyway. I need to go. But I would like to see India a have a very strong position and all the fields and not just be waiting to develop when its own process is much slow. It will get the required things to much extent and then from there it can think of going ahead its own way.
RE:Left, BJP and UPA
by kalpen tripathi on Aug 31, 2007 02:59 PM Permalink
Yes you are right but also which countries you can trade to have a better financial country in future. West have to depend on India, China,etc for goods and now India is best option. If we had so much money to do the tech's ourselves then what is the use of all this. India cannot spend as much for tech research.It is a poor country. I am not saying just to depend on west but getting in with them will give India a much needed base plus the inflow of wealth. Those NRI's can see the difference in living standard and techs in west and our India and we also have to raise the level of standard of poor people.
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by kalpen tripathi on Aug 31, 2007 02:33 PM Permalink
Alok. I am not saying to fight with padosi but unke tevar to dekho. Padosi accha hota to US kya huma freindship ka offer deta. Kya US itna fool to nahi hai. It knows what we should know.
RE:Left, BJP and UPA
by kalpen tripathi on Aug 31, 2007 02:31 PM Permalink
Trade has mostly one meaning for India and China and both are more of a seller and US and Western countries are mostly buyers. If they want to repay some in nuclear power then why not.
RE:RE:RE:RE:Left, BJP and UPA
by kalpen tripathi on Aug 31, 2007 02:42 PM Permalink
China is much more happy with Russia and Iran but not with India that is why it always ignore Mr Singh's call for trilateral arrangement between India, china and russia.
RE:RE:RE:RE:Left, BJP and UPA
by Alok Dube on Aug 31, 2007 02:45 PM Permalink
well no economist can be so far fetched as to surround himself with enemies. if your backbone is weak you are in trouble. dekh assume that we just build dams etc and generate stuff ourselves..what is wrong with that? Technology ka koi bharosa nahi hai, aaj solar kal polar... simply put if we dont take this route what do we loose
RE:Left, BJP and UPA
by kalpen tripathi on Aug 31, 2007 02:50 PM Permalink
Economist did not surround India with enemies but they developed out of India's weakness. You can ask me too what could have happened if India did not enter free trade agreement in 1990? You can compare if you are economist. If technology cannot be trusted then underdeveloped countries are right in not adapting any. I know aaj Solar kal polar but when. Since last 50 years the question is when. We keep asking when and should we and in that race China took the slice.
RE:Left, BJP and UPA
by Alok Dube on Aug 31, 2007 03:04 PM Permalink
ok so if we dont do this then the west wont need us? like i said, if we need this only for weapons then we are really smoked up and should learn to build this on our own. if we get like a billion dollars at rock bottom, or we get the fayda that all the kharcha of the govt machinery on hydro for the next one year, then we are talking... im sure we have pulled off a lot of stuff in the last one year on our own with our own funding...
RE:Left, BJP and UPA
by Alok Dube on Aug 31, 2007 02:30 PM Permalink
apney padosi sey jhagda karkey tu next building waaley se dosti kareyga toh kya fayda :) and by the way, stop smoking pot, hydro is always more cost effective than nuclear... no waste to dump... solar is the other area we havent explored
RE:Left, BJP and UPA
by kalpen tripathi on Aug 31, 2007 03:02 PM Permalink
Go around shopping in US, Europe or Australia. The market is flooded with Chinese goods. There is much dependence on Chinese goods.Trade has to be developed too. This agreement is a big step towards that.
RE:Left, BJP and UPA
by kalpen tripathi on Aug 31, 2007 02:40 PM Permalink
Yes they know what China ask from India and how it is going to behave. It is not just advantge for US to have this deal but much more for India. Mr. Singh is an economist and also a patriot. Deal will decide the future of how much west can trust India.I do not say deal under the pressure. Did China think of us when doing deal with US in the past. Are we not neighbour.Still that is okay but when is China claim going to stop on Indian terriotory then equipping the rebels groups and terrorrist if needed. If it does not think of India but just its benefit then should India not be so strong to protect itself and have US too on its side.
BJP and NDA were much afraid of George Bush. So they did not unlock the reality to remove George Fernandes' trouser at American Airport when he was a minister.
RE:BJP and NDA were much afraid of George Bush. So they did not unlock the reality to remove George Fernandes' trouser at American Airport when he was a minister.
by Venkat on Aug 31, 2007 01:51 PM Permalink
they respected the law of the land
RE:RE:BJP and NDA were much afraid of George Bush. So they did not unlock the reality to remove George Fernandes' trouser at American Airport when he was a minister.
by Sahadevan KK on Aug 31, 2007 02:01 PM Permalink
Best example to escort three cutter terrorists to Kandahar.
RE:BJP and NDA were much afraid of George Bush. So they did not unlock the reality to remove George Fernandes' trouser at American Airport when he was a minister.
by Venkat on Aug 31, 2007 02:10 PM Permalink
they let themselves down for the safety of Indians hostages at khandhar
On Sept. 30, 2004, The Planning Commission included foreign experts from World Bank and Mc Cancy as business consultants.
Pranab Mukherjee, Defence Minister signed a defense agreement with the US on July 2005.
July 18 2005 Held India-US Joint Press Conference.
U.S.-India Agricultural Knowledge Initiative Board included Wal-Mart and Monsanto members India-US agreed on agricultural collaborative research projects.
Signed in crores of arms deals.
UPA government left their independent foreign policy and voted two times in IAEA against Iran, even they have mentioned a free foreign policy in CMP.
Four Left parties suspended the UPA-Left coordination committee on share selling of Navratna PSUs. Then Sonia Gandhi made it cleared that it is halted.
Even then they have started to sell the shares of Nalco, Orissa and Lignite Corporation, Tamilnadu. Left and DMK's massive strikes were fruitful. DMK was ready to recall their ministers from Union Cabinet.
After Left's opposition in Pension Fund privatisation and 49% FDI in insurance sector could not implement till today.
He told a newspaper that He is going to resign. He told another newspaper that Left can withdraw support.
Left's outside support is crucial, even then Manmohan Singh try to avoid them. He thinks it is a child's play to lead coalition government.
RE:RE:On the first day Dr. Manmohan Singh started to work against Indian people. How?
by arungopal agarwal on Aug 31, 2007 01:45 PM Permalink
No it is not a childs play, MMS has enjoyed high chairs of bureacracy, now enjoying highest chair in politics, one of the most successful man in India. He is accustomed to work in all conditions.
RE:RE:RE:On the first day Dr. Manmohan Singh started to work against Indian people. How?
by Sahadevan KK on Aug 31, 2007 02:02 PM Permalink
That will be written in the History as Mr. Narasimha Rao.
RE:On the first day Dr. Manmohan Singh started to work against Indian people. How?
by biju chacko on Aug 31, 2007 03:50 PM Permalink
mms is agreat person one of best pm iam telling this thogh not intersted inpolitical parties]
RE:Read nuclear deal and hyde act
by Sahadevan KK on Aug 31, 2007 01:37 PM Permalink
India rapidly go with American-Japan-Australian-Singapore ally. Joint millitary exercise will go on Sept. 4-9 at Vishakhapatnam. UPA fulfills BJP's dream.
dump prime minister of India by debasi bhattacharyya on Aug 31, 2007 01:19 PM | Hide replies
in era of Narsima Rao, ADB, World Bank and America has presserised Mr. Rao to depute Mr. Manmohan Singh as Finance Minister to implement GATT and Other treatries against heavy loan from those Bank & America. Now SOnia Gandhi has again presserised by AMerica to depute Mr Singh as Prime Minister to sign the deal of 123 Agreement. Pls see the truth behind HYDE Act and then comment
RE:Dump by America & World Bank to spoil India
by Jitendra Kumar on Aug 31, 2007 01:35 PM Permalink
Wake up man , what are you talking is old story created by BJP and leftist. Come out with new fact instead of keep repeating same old line said by somebody else.
Social justice can be obtained either by way of snatching from riches or providing work to everyone so as to prosper. Lefts know only theory No.1 and can only impress uneducated poor people. They are fanatic in approach like Jihadis and other organisations. Our PM though looks upset but is accustomed to face all such pressures as he was top bureacrate throughout his career and faced all type of politicians,now enjoying highest chair will handle the situation at the appropriate time.
in era of Narsima Rao, ADB, World Bank and America has presserised Mr. Rao to depute Mr. Manmohan Singh as Finance Minister to implement GATT and Other treatries against heavy loan from those Bank & America. Now SOnia Gandhi has again presserised by AMerica to depute Mr Singh as Prime Minister to sign the deal of 123 Agreement. Pls see the truth behind HYDE Act and then comment
RE:dump prime minister of India
by ASHOK on Aug 31, 2007 01:44 PM Permalink
It was COMMIES and BJP who critised India (Narsimha Rao MMS) for taking record World bank loan in 90's.
They were saying India will run into DEBT Trap. Now all those persons are again crying foul.
I think some people never understand, what is good for India. Or Maybe they do and want to harm India by delaying the actions taken by MM Singh
Left parties blindly oppose anything related to USA.People of WEST BENGAL from wher left parties pick up strength should vote out left parties.Then left will not have any say.Pseudo secularist like Karat Yetchury never open their mouth against atricities committed to Kashmiri Pandiths but jump on Modi as and when they get achance.
