We don't realise that all this is our own doing. right from the begining we had got into a habit of blaming all the minority communities for the problems created by us.try a simple experiment with yourself.start thinking that you are a criminal nad that you have commited a grave crime.do this for even a weeks time and you will really start feeling and behaving like criminals.and we have been blaming them for so many years. what do you expect them to do?behave like saints when their kith and kin are being mauled like animals.Grow up!embrace them and feel the difference.I have read an article in the Readers Digest that an Entire town turned its back towrds corruption and hatred and literally made the leaders repent and change their ways.try doing something of that kind.
RE:Bilal's father
by Syed haneef on Aug 31, 2007 11:15 AM Permalink
Totally disagree with you. Pls do some study before comment about anything.
Dont you think you are making fun and deviate the topic?
first of all you understand that the rootof all problems is their religion. They believe 72 numbers 100%(hope you got it) and do anything (blow themselves) for that.
Muslim live in India very peace unlike other countries and we have many top peoples who are muslims. But still they go to street and fight for bush,saddam or palestians.
Nobody call they as terrorist and it happened that ALL TERRORIST ARE MUSLIMS.
If we start say You are Gr8 scientist or Gr8 Doctor instead of Terrorist, do all they become scientist and doctor?
RE:Bilal's father
by WishyWashy on Aug 31, 2007 11:25 AM Permalink
Yeah man! You are implying that I was responsible for the Bomb blasts in Mumbai trains which got my colleagues not the bombers. Nice going; now just roll down yr pants and lie on road; Saudis will do the rest....
THIS THE WHOLE World knows, but the West supports ISRAEL and here no one is doing justice so in this region they resent by commiting these henious crime, but here their faith is questioned, not RIGHT. *In india there is kashmir problem , a regional one to that.I KNOW kashmir is our INDIAN and will be forever but that is being disputed by pakistan our enemy neighbour which is causing all the problem, But again here the faith is being questioned , not RIGHT. Why this is between nationals not religion then why all you rediff readers posting messges unknowllingly trying to malign the peaceful religon of ISLAM.These acts are committed by foreign nationals.Dont be so narrowminded. *In the world over this is a a problem because all the other faith are regional but ISLAM AND CHRISTIANITY IS GLOBAL , so this being maligned which is wrong.First be right and then expect right.
*I condemn all kinds of terrorist and each and every muslim condemns this and doesnot support any violence acts. Anyone committing any violence in our country is our enemy no matter what religion he belongs. *Please stop blaming any religion but do blame your own mind with that fixation.We should not support any one committing any violence acts . All the guys commiting violence acts will go to hell because only innocent lives are lost which is a sin, There is no pardon for sinning innocents.hope these narrow minded people understand.
RE:Dont bring religion into disrepute-2
by Vishwamithran TKB on Aug 31, 2007 12:25 PM Permalink
People who read history know how these two barbarian religions viz Islam and Christianity become global.
First of all , *There was the IRISH NATIONAL ARMY putting up bombs all over the place in Britain and all over europe after that even in america, because differnce in faith and also over the independent government, Well all these were/are called terrorist acts but their faith is never questioned, fine. *There is the terrorist movement from the breakaway faction in spain over their independence, committing serious violence acts and bombing called as terrorist activities but not a question over their faith, fine *There are so many faction in france , estonia, russia,lithuania, bosnia, serbia,croatia,albania,Italy,Ukraine, estonia, latvia,Sri lanka, czech republic,turkey etc.........terrrorist acts being committed without any repent or resolving till date and even in india in the northeast sector full of insecure people since independence i.e 60 years, all the terrorist activities commitied by many communities in INDIA , well even the naxal wave which has engulfed almost half the country and still spreading belong to many communities including the faith hinduism, talk about srilanka and tamils are there committing all terrorist activities, they are also hindus fine.But not a question over their faith, fine. *In all the above circumstances there is element of each and every religion being suprressed so these people are committing terrorist acts without any question over the faith ,In the same way in middle east there is the Israel taking over the land of palesine.
RE:Dont bring religion into disrepute-1
by Vishnuvardhan Reddy on Aug 31, 2007 10:59 AM Permalink
So, you mean to say that Muslims are being suppressed in India and that is why they are resorting to terrorism?
RE:Dont bring religion into disrepute-1
by Nanchil on Aug 31, 2007 11:08 AM Permalink
That is also one of the reasons. Example: Gujarat. I am quite sure that riot victims can be easily brainwahsed to become terrorists. I do not think that just because jihad is mentioned in koran all the muslims become terrorists. Afterall how many people are following their religion sincerely? Also we irrespective of religion have some basic commonsense and moral sense.
RE:Dont bring religion into disrepute-1
by MOHAMMED on Aug 31, 2007 11:04 AM Permalink
NO, these are not committed by indians at all.LEAVE ALL religions aside.Everyone knows that it is the foreign nationals being involved for their means which is anti national.Foreign nationals of of our neighbours like paki & are involved.Pakistan is not only involved in terrorism activities in india but also many countries.The whole world knows that.
RE:Dont bring religion into disrepute-1
by WishyWashy on Aug 31, 2007 11:08 AM Permalink
Dear Terrorist Brother!
IRA was set up with an avowed political aim of securing Northern Ireland political freedom. And once they were in principal willing to disarm & join political process.
Their technique of Bombing was to place a bomb and give police the warning call to evacuate the people from target area. The armed attacks against civilians were sewered way back.
On other hand you fellow Jihadis detonate bombs for causing mass causalities among civilians, or even when they dare attack armed forces they do it from behind civilian cover. And short of Non Muslims disappearing from face of earth; they do not have a netiable goal.
RE:RE:Dont bring religion into disrepute-1
by abbas ali on Aug 31, 2007 11:12 AM Permalink
It is not proper to use terrorist brother when one is voicing opinions impartially as mohammed.By doing so you are generalising everyone dear friend. Dear friend only problem is some muslims in this forum who are not ready to accept some mistakes of religion and mullahs openly.They keep arguing.But remember every religion has its faults.I think islam is undergoing phase of revolutionary change for good.People who do not accept or have ability to question right and wrong in the religion are like morons but remember these people are in every religion.A text that was written many years ago is not always correct in the current times but some mullahs and some idiots among muslim community are bringing bad name to the whole community.Blaming all muslims in general is bad.Please refrain from doing so.
RE:Dont bring religion into disrepute-1
by selah on Sep 04, 2007 01:05 PM Permalink
Dear abbas can you just show me one fault in Quraan. you cant!!! Quraan is asking the same to all man kind as a chalange since its begining. still no one can point out any single mistake from it. there was same critcising when it reveals to us b4 1400 years ago. no one can point out any mistake till the world ends because it is purely from Almighty who knows all about past present and future. Means Quraan is not only for the time of its revelution but for whole man kind who will live up to the end of world. And Quraan is only one book with out any change in its text since it reveals and will continue with same status because Allah is taken its responsibility to remain unchangble. try to understand from Quraan from its original text. Not to be fooled by the enimies of the truth.
RE:Dont bring religion into disrepute-1
by Rajinder Katoch on Aug 31, 2007 02:12 PM Permalink
Dear Abbas,
It is good to know that there are real enlightened muslims also who already knew that what harm an infectious clergy can do to a religion. A piece of advice to you and that too free, consider your family, mother, sister and brother more important than Allah or Prophet. If you will do so let me assure you will never go to hell, infact you will enjoy heaven on earth. We Hindus too have shit written in our texts and we need to remove that because for us people are more important than god and people make god. There is no god for cow, buffalow, dog etc.
RE:Dont bring religion into disrepute-1
by arjun on Aug 31, 2007 12:29 PM Permalink
please do not use the offensive words like terrorists or communists(sorry commys).
RE:Dont bring religion into disrepute-1
by MOHAMMED raj on Aug 31, 2007 10:58 AM Permalink
Dont bring religion into disrepute-2
THIS THE WHOLE World knows, but the West supports ISRAEL and here no one is doing justice so in this region they resent by commiting these henious crime, but here their faith is questioned, not RIGHT. *In india there is kashmir problem , a regional one to that.I KNOW kashmir is our INDIAN and will be forever but that is being disputed by pakistan our enemy neighbour which is causing all the problem, But again here the faith is being questioned , not RIGHT. Why this is between nationals not religion then why all you rediff readers posting messges unknowllingly trying to malign the peaceful religon of ISLAM.These acts are committed by foreign nationals.Dont be so narrowminded. *In the world over this is a a problem because all the other faith are regional but ISLAM AND CHRISTIANITY IS GLOBAL , so this being maligned which is wrong.First be right and then expect right.
*I condemn all kinds of terrorist and each and every muslim condemns this and doesnot support any violence acts. Anyone committing any violence in our country is our enemy no matter what religion he belongs. *Please stop blaming any religion but do blame your own mind with that fixation.We should not support any one committing any violence acts . All the guys commiting violence acts will go to hell because only innocent lives are lost which is a sin, There is no pardon for sinning innocents.hope these narrow minded people understand.
RE:Conslusion ! ! !
by Indian on Aug 31, 2007 11:05 AM Permalink
VHP/RSS are the root cause of the terrorist activitis in India and they blame muslims. Why police left the suspected guy yesterday , whose sketch was girculated in news. Only because he is hindu
RE:Conslusion ! ! !
by James Bond on Aug 31, 2007 11:20 AM Permalink
Mr. Indian muslim as I want to call you. Like you muslims have 1000 organizations working in India, Pakistan and Bangladesh to help only muslims of India, we Hindus have kept three organizations RSS, VHP and BD. They protect rights and lives of Hindus in India. Show me one photograph where Togadia is in Jungle, or Nepal or USA with AK56. Here in India, during namaz, you give toy AK47 to your children and declare him as martyre. Basically, your religion is a problem and the entire world is not blind. Hindus can be wrong, what about Israel, U.S.A., U.K., Australia etc. Just peep in you and answer how many muslims we Hindus have converted. We do not want to bring you to our fold. You are not worth we consider for conversion.
RE:Conslusion ! ! !
by Ranjith M on Aug 31, 2007 11:19 AM Permalink
Its high time that govt should introduce population control to save the country. Even if all jobs in this world is outsouced to india by 25 yrs good population of india will still continue to be jobless..
All our politicians main objective is power and money. They are worrid to loose votes if any population control law is implemented in this country. Worried whether this country will exists to celebrate 100th year of independence.
But surely our political community will have good future. With lot of money they migrate to any other country and have a luxuary life. They will not like themself to be called as indian.
At the end its a sad story middle class old age man. but i am shameful to the indian education system and health & birth control. mr. Wahid himself saying that he couldn't provide proper education to his childrens. he himself a primary teacher and could not provide proper education!!!!!!!!!!
How can we expect from the other walks of people provide education to their kids. So whatever your religion says dont mind provide proper education to your kids thats what ultimately counts rather than becoming a kids manufacturing factory. If he had just two kids he could have provided good education to them and make sure that they will become great asset to india.
Lost opportunity never comes back. So pls make sure that all should follow this principle that max two kids. so that we can provide good education to them. This is not against religion or community. pls pass this message to all and help to grow india further and proud to be a part of that.
RE:shame on indian birth control
by manoj nair on Aug 31, 2007 11:20 AM Permalink
His salary at the time of retirement was around 7400/-. And he is having 11 children. How can he give proper education. First of all he is utterly an illiterate person otherwise he couldnot have this much kids to his collection.
The muslim community should be blamed to have so many children in their family and it causes the real atrocity. this is the case of all the muslims including the educated. So Govt make it a law to prosecute any one who do this, except the case of twins and some rare tribal races. Make family planning a written law and prosecute the one who overcome the law, then every problems will be solved to its own.
Previously (One generation before the present generation of married couples)all the communities including Hindus Muslims,Christians,Sikhs etc. were having more than five children (on an average). But with the changing times all the communities have changed their attitude except very few due to illiteracy ,incomplete & misinterpreted reliogious books/faiths.Its an open secret that if the family is too big then for its own survival ,parents adopt illegal means to meet their demands.And there are numerous tales in which the children of such people end up being exploited by the cunning people to serve their selfish means. Its an irony that both the accusers/people defending such people are thinking it in the context of the religion followed .Literacy is best POSSIBLE REMEMDY to Such unfortunate citizens.They should be educated to bring their respective children in the best possible environment & such people must be adopted/educated by the affluent of their respective society without exploiting them and serving tem in true sense.
RE:Problems of bigger family
by James Bond on Aug 31, 2007 11:26 AM Permalink
Muslims if consider that 11 children are the blessings of Allah then they should blame Allah for the problems these children face as only Laloo Prasad yadav can feed and educate 11 children because everybody is not lucky to use government funds for his family. Educated muslims families who follow two child norm are happy.
High time, otherwise muslims will be labour class in India.
RE:Problems of bigger family
by manoj kumar pillai on Aug 31, 2007 11:00 AM Permalink
Dear Kishore, A teacher can also have an illiterate wife.Here I want to emphasise on the education provided to the girl child/women.They should be properly educated (Not only text books )& these are the real people we must address.
RE:Allah Supplies Virgins in paradise ,What a god ! ! ! PROOF ! ! !
by Syed haneef on Aug 31, 2007 10:43 AM Permalink
If anybody abuse, then it is an INSULT to islam as whatever i added here are the stanca from the QURAN..
If you want to insult QURAN,ALLAH AND MOHAMMED, just abuse it.
Your wish but things will not hide if you abuse here as this is available in lakhs andlakhs of website and milllions are accessing it ! ! !
Two months back, at St. Ann's Degree College, Political Science class was going on. There was a topic called "Jihad" in our text book. Our Lecturer, Ms. Shanthi, was teaching this topic in the class. While giving the lecture, she said, "Some organizations are creating terror and destroying peace in the name of Jihad". That is all she said! That is a plain fact and it is not really unoffensive. She was merely teaching a topic that was part of the syllabus.
The Muslim girls in our class felt offended. Immediately after the class, they contacted other Muslim girls in other classes. All of them contacted their family members over the mobile. Soon, their parents along with MIM leaders (and Congress leaders too) descended into our college. Soon, police came into the college and booked a case against our lecturer for "hurting the feelings of other communities". Our lecturer was made to pulicly apologise in front of all the students for hurting their feelings. The case was closed.
All this happened on the same day within a span of 5 hours.
Many of us were speechless.
If Muslim girls, whose ages are less than 20, are like this, what can we say about others?
ALl the girls come from rich Muslim families. Approximately 50% of these families have business background and the other 50% have well-educated background, with their parents working in government and private organizations.
It was extremely digusting to us! They never mix properly with us
RE:Incident at St. Ann's Degree College
by srinivas on Aug 31, 2007 11:41 AM Permalink
I am sure Svaram Sunitha is not telling whole story according to her the Lecturer told that "Some organizations are creating terror and destroying peace in the name of Jihad". the lecturer must have mentioned Islam or muslims as an example, which obviously hurts the feelings of those musilm girls. Any way those girls must not have taken this thing so far .............
The topic was "Jihad". So, it is about Islam and Muslims.
What is wrong in saying that some organizations are creating terror and destroying peace in the name of Jihad? What is wrong even if she said (by the way, she did not say that) that some Muslims are creating terror in the name of Jihad? That is perfect right.
For your information, this incident was covered widely in detail in many Telugu dailies. English dailies (Deccan Chronicle and Times of India) too covered it, but not in detail.
Read the newspapers two months back, for complete details.
RE:Incident at St. Ann's Degree College
by srinivas on Aug 31, 2007 12:23 PM Permalink
chudu Reddy. Nenu chappanu anuko "Upper cast walla gudda baga balichi untundi specially like Reddys de" ante neeku kopam rada....... As simple as that ...........
RE:Incident at St. Ann's Degree College
by Pankaj Gadkari on Aug 31, 2007 11:01 AM Permalink
Why could you not protest this injustice?what were you afraid of?Its a shame on you and your friends.You don't deserve any sympathy,atleast not from me.Please note if you want to criticize the dinner you have to help in the kitchen. Don't blame the muslim girls.They did what they thought was right for them but what is dangerous is you didn't do what was right for you.
This is how Muslims alienate themselves from the other Indians. They don't consider themselves to be Indians. They are Muslims first, second and last, they are Indians never.
RE:RE:Incident at St. Ann's Degree College
by srinivas on Aug 31, 2007 12:26 PM Permalink
Why you are calling BJP / VHP here no one has blamed Hindus it is ok for you if they beat up art students .........or some one coz of some thing but the same thing if these girls did in a legal manner you are not able to digest ..............
RE:Incident at St. Ann's Degree College
by Kishore on Aug 31, 2007 10:45 AM Permalink
What are you guys/gals doing eating mud ? Problem in this country is people like you cannot be united and raise your voice against the wrongdoing.
RE:Incident at St. Ann's Degree College
by HK on Aug 31, 2007 10:55 AM Permalink
It's very easy to blame others......if you think you are not eating mud & have guts, go & take revange. Plain fact is, truth becomes timid infront of evil seeing strength of mob
RE:Incident at St. Ann's Degree College
by Kishore on Aug 31, 2007 10:58 AM Permalink
Dear HK , I will take care of my problems I don't need your dumb advice . What I cannot understand is a college of 1000s of students cannot take on some 30 to 40 people .
RE:Incident at St. Ann's Degree College
by SAM KIM on Aug 31, 2007 10:49 AM Permalink
that is minority power in INDIA. All is becuse of vote bank politics. Everywhere on earth it is always minority who is weaker section but here it is vice versa !!!!.
RE:Incident at St. Ann's Degree College
by abbas ali on Aug 31, 2007 10:59 AM Permalink
dear friend only problem is some muslims in this forum who are not ready to accept some mistakes of religion and mullahs openly.They keep arguing.But remember every religion has its faults.I think islam is undergoing phase of revolutionary change for good.People who do not accept or have ability to question right and wrong in the religion are like morons but remember these people are in every religion.A text that was written many years ago is not always correct in the current times but some mullahs and some idiots among muslim community are bringing bad name to the whole community.Blaming all muslims in general is bad.Please refrain from doing so.
RE:Incident at St. Ann's Degree College
by prashant chauhan on Aug 31, 2007 11:17 AM Permalink
u r correct abbas... but the problem is, even highly educated and intelectual muslims r not comming forward to take responsibility for the improvement of the society who is backword due to lack of education, population and other problems.. atleast some o maulvi and libral imams should come forwarded for the sake of their own society...everything can not b done by government. for example....whnevr governmnt try to mordernize the education system in madarasa...there is a straong opposition..whnevr there is a programe for birth controle...there is so much ho hulllaa... even for polio drops..hardly any muslim prominent person came forward to educate the socity tht it is necessary....
RE:Incident at St. Ann's Degree College
by abbas ali on Aug 31, 2007 11:25 AM Permalink
My effort is make people understand in this forum that-backwardness and stubbornness to not accept mistakes among religion are major hurdles to islamic society.Yes even educated muslims are behaving like idiots . .They know that these facts are true.Whenfacts are shown-all of us have to accept mistakes.Some hindus are using very abusive language and that should be avoided too for the sanctity of this forum.
RE:Incident at St. Ann's Degree College
by raj punjabi on Aug 31, 2007 11:16 AM Permalink
ABBAS YOU ARE SO RIGHT , YOU THE EDUCATED MUSLIMS SHOULD FIGHT BACK ACTUALLY YOU THE ONE WHO SUFFER.
THEY ARE INSECURE MALES WANT TO TORTURE THE FEMALES KEEP THEM FOR CAPTIVE IN THE NAME OF RELIGION. REGARDS,
friends i fully agree with u thar abortion is still not accepted in a healthy way in india even in Hindus. I too belong to a large family and the reason is parents being uneducated.But i was lucky that my parents knew the importance of education and tried their best for good education. It is not the abortion which is solution of this problem. it is the education which can sove the probelm. the important step will be to give a good alternative of education so that people are not forced to read in madrassa. most of the childeren reading in madrassa are helpless and cannt afford modern education and neither ther are goverment schools nearby.
RE:family planning
by Pushkar on Aug 31, 2007 10:59 AM Permalink
U MEAN TO SAY ATMA THAT EDUCATION ON HOW TO HAVE A SMALL FAMILY OR JUST EDUCATION...NO MATTER HOW MANY CHILDREN U WANT TO BRING IN THIS WORLD...EDUCATION IS MUST...WELL SAID!!!!!!????
