I really feel sad for this old man. But if you look deeper inside the problem, having 11 children with 4k per month income, is the main problem. He couldn't give them proper ediucation, upbringing.
Muslim brothers, look beyond islam and do some birth control. And those rich muslim guys, instead of funding terrorism, sponsoir such things so that islam becomes a strong developmental force. I'm sure some of them will consider this as conspiracy for hindus to control muslim population in india. grow up brothers.
RE:Feel sad!!
by Attract Ivist on Aug 30, 2007 08:54 PM Permalink
But none of them have turned terorist!! You can have a dozen if you can afford their expenses., b ut not with 4k per month. But don't give birth to increase the muslim population. Its quality that matters, not quatity.
RE:Feel sad!!
by shahid akhtar on Aug 30, 2007 09:07 PM Permalink
you are right brother, but if you will see in todays generation, you will find educated muslims have very short families. Education and prosperity make good and in contrast illitracy proverty leads to a disastrous life.
RE:Feel sad!!
by imran patel on Aug 30, 2007 08:53 PM Permalink
It is un-Islamic to have 11 children and not educate them...If Muslims decide to have children they need to cherish them as GIFTS from ALLAH and make sure they provide for them and educate them. That is ISLAM.
They have got 11 children. WOW!!....They have got full cricket team ready at home :):)
Now I can imagine why India is so populated....May god bless India and give some brain to these kind of people who keep giving birth one after the other relentlessely and think about woman as machine, who is born to give only birth....very very sick mentality.....and see how they bring up their children....one is already in jail and other is absconding....Obviously when you have so many children....you can not pay attention to all of them.....very very sick...
RE:Full Team
by Sree. on Aug 30, 2007 08:54 PM Permalink
Beta Mannu,
They all are rich people man..he is small teacher.. he should think about his capability.. he know that he cant bring them so many kids right..so only so many problems...
RE:Full Team
by Karan Thakur on Aug 30, 2007 09:03 PM Permalink
I pity your sick mentality....may god open your mind and dump some brain in ytour head....You need to understand there are many people around who care about India as motherland and does not necessarily pin point one community....why do you always take the things in single (wrong) direction ....remember if you need respect you should learn to give respect....instead of trying to dominate each other why not help each other grow....not by producing more children but by developing our country and it's children.
RE:Full Team
by Karan Thakur on Aug 30, 2007 08:48 PM Permalink
One point to be noted is that he is retired primary school teacher....god know whats the situation when it comes to uneducated people...may be they have 20 or may 30 children in one family....huh!!
RE:Full Team
by VSR on Aug 30, 2007 09:11 PM Permalink
Mannu and Bhuddha, stop repeating the message yaar. Post something intersting. The whole of India on competion between religions to increase the population. Bharat mata ki jai.
RE:Menstruation 101
by imran patel on Aug 30, 2007 08:43 PM Permalink
So people who say it was wrong for the Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) to marry Aisha say that based on the society norms today. But BIOLOGICALLY it is a perfectly normal thing.
Also, the society at the time of the prophet was open to this concept.
If a woman is not ready, then why is she having her menstruation at this age ?
We find it wrong, because our society says so...Not SCIENCE says other wise...
RE:RE:Menstruation 101
by imran patel on Aug 30, 2007 08:46 PM Permalink
MONKEY MAN,
Here is a list of WARS before CHRIST... Prehistory - 1000 BC Prehistoric warfare Mythological wars Battle of Zhuolu about 2500BC Kurukshetra War, based on warfare in the Kuru kingdom of ancient India, ca. 1200-900 BC Trojan War, based on events of ca. 1200 BC ca. 2500-2450 BC - Border wars between Umma and Lagash ca. 2330 - conquest of Sumer by Lugalzagesi 2300 BC - conquests of Sargon of Akkad ca. 1720 BC - Kassite attacks on Babylon 1650-1600 BC - conquests of Hattusili I and Mursili I 1600 BC - Hyksos conquest of Egypt 1600 BC - Xia-Shang War in China 1430-1350 BC - Kaska invasions of Hatti 1100 BC - Sea Peoples harrying the Mediterranean; Dorian invasion 1046 BC - Shang-Zhou War in China.
[edit] 999 BC - 1 BC 800 BC - Messenians Wars 722 BC - 481 BC Wars of the Chinese Spring and Autumn Period 701 BC - Sennacherib's campaigns in the Near East 8th century BC - 7th century BC - Lelantine War 499 BC - 479 BC Persian Wars 480 BC - 307 BC Sicilian Wars 480 BC First Sicilian War 410 BC - 340 BC Second Sicilian War 315 BC - 307 BC Third Sicilian War 475 BC - 221 BC Wars of Warring States Period in China
RE:RE:RE:Menstruation 101
by imran patel on Aug 30, 2007 08:46 PM Permalink
431 BC - 404 BC Peloponnesian War 395 BC - 387 BC Corinthian War 343 BC - 290 BC Samnite Wars between Rome and Samnium 343 BC - 341 BC First Samnite War 327 BC - 304 BC Second Samnite War 298 BC - 290 BC Third Samnite War 334 BC - 323 BC Wars of Alexander the Great 323 BC - 322 BC Lamian War 323 BC - 280 BC Wars of the Diadochi 274 BC-200 BC Syrian Wars 274 BC - 271 BC First Syrian War 260 BC - 255 BC Second Syrian War 245 BC - 241 BC Third Syrian War 219 BC - 217 BC Fourth Syrian War 202 BC - 200 BC Fifth Syrian War 267 BC - 261 BC Chremonidean War 265 BC - 263 BC Kalinga War 264 BC - 146 BC Punic Wars between Rome and Carthage 264 BC - 241 BC First Punic War 218 BC - 202 BC Second Punic War 149 BC - 146 BC Third Punic War 215 BC - 168 BC Macedonian Wars 215 BC - 205 BC First Macedonian War 200 BC - 196 BC Second Macedonian War 171 BC - 168 BC Third Macedonian War 209 BC - 88 BC Parthian - Seleucid Wars 206 BC - 202 BC Chu-Han contention in China 191 BC - 188 BC Roman-Syrian War 135 BC - 71 BC Roman Servile Wars 135 BC - 132 BC First Servile War 104 BC - 100 BC Second Servile War 73 BC - 71 BC Third Servile War or Spartacist Rebellion 122 BC - 105 BC Jugurthine War 91 BC - 88 BC Social War 88 BC - 87 BC Sulla's first civil war 89 BC - 63 BC Mithridatic Wars 89 BC - 85 BC First Mithridatic War 83 BC - 82 BC Second Mithridatic War 74 BC - 63 BC Third Mithridatic War 82 BC - 81 BC Sulla's second civil
RE:Menstruation 101
by VSR on Aug 30, 2007 09:23 PM Permalink
Imran bhai, thanks for such detailed explanation of girl becoming woman. Please understand that the girl WILL NOT become woman just by attaining puberty. If because of high nutrition a girl attain pubery at age 9, do you mean that she is ready. More important thing in human life is maturity and that comes with age. Usually any human is supposed start attaining maturity is at the age 16 and sometimes later. Till woman attain maturity she should not be getting offspring as she will not be able to give justice. Man, how will she treat her offspring if she has not attained maturity. Just because Mohammad married Ayesha at the age 6 and copulated with her at age 9, one should not legalize the acts. In fact, no one knows what is the fact and we are reading all these non sense after 1400 years. Physically capable of pregnant is different than mentally capable of pregnant. Let us understand this fact and teach everyone, instead of following some scripts like Quran which is outdated for today's society.
RE:Imran you are ignorant about islam
by imran patel on Aug 30, 2007 08:48 PM Permalink
On average, most girls start their periods when they're 12 or 13 years old (although some begin earlier or later).
The start of menstruation is a momentous event in a girl's life. Some girls greet those first drops of blood with joy or relief, while others feel bewildered and shy. Whatever the reaction, the arrival of the first period holds the same meaning for every girl: It's proof that she's becoming a woman.
In the early 1900s, girls generally reached menarche (the medical term for the first period or the beginning of menstruation) at age 14 or 15. For a variety of reasons, including better nutrition, girls now usually start to menstruate between the ages of 9 and 16. But menstruation isn't just about having a period. It's a sign that a girl is physically capable of becoming pregnant.
During the menstrual cycle, hormones are released from different parts of the body to help control and prepare the body for pregnancy. That preparation begins when the ovaries (two oval-shaped organs that lie to the upper right and left of the uterus, or womb) produce the hormones estrogen and progesterone.
So people who say it was wrong for the Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) to marry Aisha say that based on the society norms today. But BIOLOGICALLY it is a perfectly normal thing.
Also, the society at the time of the prophet was open to this concept.
We find it wrong, because our society says so. But SCIENCE says other wise.
RE:A lession for derailed muslim youths
by Ek Hindustani on Aug 30, 2007 08:51 PM Permalink
Trust me, 99% of Muslims are. India is our home, our motherland. We love India. Todays generation of Muslims like me had nothing to do with the creation of Pakistan or Pakistan and we will never ever have anything to do with it.
What we ask of our fellow Indians to stop the bias and the blame game, whenever anything happens finger is automatically pointed to Muslims, Muslims in large numbers are arrested and lifes of boys changed forever. When there is injustice that will breed anger, and grudge.
India belongs to every Indian, and Muslims in India are proud of their heritage and culture.
I sincerely hope whoever did this and is causing so much pain and anxiety to us Indians is brought to justice and quickly. Inshallah.
Its true that most terrorist organisations have muslim/islam names but there is no need to make issues based on religion.It is ourseleves and the people of India who have to rise to the occassion with maturity.When a bomb goes off does it kill only hindus or muslims?what about friends and loved ones who are of other religions.And what about the politicians who have sold our country for money ? What about the in efficient system ? The people responsible must be caught and capital punishments must be enforced. Our constitution and laws must be re written and customised as per generation and culprits status.When a Sanjay dutt picks up a weapon he encourages a whole youth to do the same? Why should anyone protest for his arrest just cos he is a celebrity?And whats a 50000 ruppees fine for a film actor of sanjay/salman's level? The problem is in the system and politicians and beaurocracy is taking advantage of people and giving this a communal angle. Those fighting for religion , please open your eyes,Every human being is equal. LETS VOW TO AVOID COMMUNALISM & BLAMING TERRORISM ON RELIGION, LETS TAKE STEPS TO IMPROVE THE SYSTEM.LETS BE HUMAN BEINGS FIRST AND THEN THE INDIANS AND THEN THINK OF OUR CASTE AND CREED IF WE HAVE SOMETIME AND RESOURCES LEFT. ALL THE BEST WISHES TO INDIA TO FIGHT TERRORISM
RE:Terrorisom and Religion
by wajiih shafiq on Aug 30, 2007 08:57 PM Permalink
You are right dear friend. only laws and Constitution does not call for a re-writing. Keep faith in Indian Laws and Indian Constitution. It is we who are failing Laws and the Constitution. Human existance should be seen and cared for first. Classification on different grounds including religion is the fruit of identity crises.
