BJP and NDA were much afraid of George Bush. So they did not unlock the reality to remove George Fernandes' trouser at American Airport when he was a minister.
Buddhadeb Bhattacharya, Chief Minister of West Bengal, went on record saying, %u201CThe State needs a nuclear power plant and will certainly get it. [The Statesman, 19.11.2006]%u201D
RE:Commies want Nuclear Power , On other hand they say it is just going to add another 3%
by Sadhan Pande on Aug 30, 2007 09:08 PM Permalink
CPM always talks rubbish! People should, in their own interest, throw off this party in the next rlection!
RE:Commies want Nuclear Power , On other hand they say it is just going to add another 3%
by Rabri Yadav on Aug 30, 2007 09:11 PM Permalink
A book is getting published on what the communists (includes CPI and CPM)said during last 60 years !
Most of the readers of rediff are sitting in A/C room and browsing internet and don't know about real politics. Left is there in Indian politics and will remain there. It is true Left will most likely loose few seats in next election. But that has nothing to do when the nuclear deal or when the election is held. It's due to the fact that they have reached maximum possible seats they can get with their current strength. They don't do anything unfair for increasing their tally suddenly. I can gaurantee the avarage quality (not only qualification) of CPM leaders is far better than any other party in Indian politics. They are well educated and from better schools. Left is jindabad.
RE:RE:Left Jindabad
by Natesh on Aug 30, 2007 05:43 PM Permalink
A serious rift within the party surfaced in 1962. One reason was the Sino-Indian War, where a faction of the Indian communists backed the position of the Indian government, while other sections of the party claimed that it was a conflict between a socialist and a capitalist state, and thus took a pro-Chinese position. There were three factions in the party - internationalists, centrists, and nationalists. Internationalists supported the Chinese stand where as the Nationalists backed India. Centrists took a neutral view. Prominent leaders including S.A. Danke, A. K. Gopalan, and E. M. S. Namboodiripad were in the nationalist faction. B. T. Ranadive, Sundarayya, P. C. Joshi, Basavapunniah, Jyoti Basu, and Harkishan Singh Surjeet are among those supported China. Ajoy Ghosh was the prominent person in the centrist faction. In general, most of Bangal communist leaders supported China and most others supported India [1]. Hundreds of CPI leaders, accused of being pro-Chinese were imprisoned. Some of the nationalists were also imprisoned, as they used to express their opinion only in party forums, and CPI's official stand was pro-China.HK Surjeet influenced by Russia to setup an underground organization CPI did proceed to recruit a secret organization within the Indian Army. China Russia insisted that the CPI must develop a standby apparatus capable of armed resistance, while intensifying penetration of Indian Military forces. Kiran who is a nationalist? chinese agents
RE:Left Jindabad
by ASHOK on Aug 30, 2007 05:47 PM Permalink
1) Jagjivan Ram (could not get proper education) was a great visionary contributed a lot to Indian Defence, when he was Defence Minister/
2)Rajiv Gandhi was a visionary, one person was enough to take India forward.
3) BJP opened routes for India towards Western Arms Industry.
4) BJP also worked with Russia to get us Nuclear SUB ( Joining Indian fleet shortly)
These are some acts of vision.
BUT CPI / CPM Killed Indian Industries. Opposed Computerisation. Now opposing India Going Nuclear.
China / US 123 Deal was stalled for 13 years at US end as CHINA was creating trouble. CPI wants to Stall INDO / US Nuclear deal and want to delay the advancement in this area.
All said and done India is ahead of China in terms of Hold over Nuclear technology.
Thorium Technology will be unique to India only ( US / CHINA / RUSSIA / France etc) are no more in it. I wonder why CPI wants to Delay it
India / US went for a deal which is well advertised on the net.
So everyone is crying foul. As if MM Singh should have sent 1 Billion Indians to sign this deal.
Does anybody know any thing about Indo Russian Stretegic Co Operation deal??Was it made transparent like INDO / US Deal.
Also when NDA Govt placed order for Russian Nuclear SUB for 10 year lease, was it advertised.
Certain things are best left to the experts. If we all are considering ourselves as the Experts, than some one go and head AEC and get removed DR ANIL Kakodkar. (who was part of 123 Deal) and is Chairman AEC.
WHAT did capitalist create? CODE COOLIES, $unita Williams etc ... u fools are very individualistic ... never think of larger picture or unity. OPPRESSOR
always wants to divide and rule .. remember!
Why is it that some 'terrorist' attack occurs whenever ordinary ppl join hands against the New Roman Empire aka USA?
1. 'Varanasi' happenned when there was mass protest against Bush visit to India.. 2. Now 'Hyderabad' when we opposed the enslavement of our Nuclear reactors by USA ...
When will you open your eyes? This globalisation is just a Capitalist paradise for the USA!
Developing Nations, UNITE! ASIAN countries must UNITE to survive! DONT be divided by CAPITALOIMPERIALISM!
WHAT did capitalist create? CODE COOLIES, $unita Williams etc ... u fools are very individualistic ... never think of larger picture or unity. OPPRESSOR
RE:EKTA hi SHAKTHI hai
by Kiran More on Aug 30, 2007 05:54 PM Permalink
If the major countries of Asia like India, CHina, ... form an Asian Union like EU, then all these western countries will be at our feet in next 10-20 years.
RE:mating dance
by Sahadevan KK on Aug 31, 2007 01:41 PM Permalink
BJP and NDA were much afraid of George Bush. So they did not unlock the reality to remove George Fernandes' trouser at American Airport when he was a minister.
RE:Read nuclear deal and hyde act
by Sahadevan KK on Aug 31, 2007 01:41 PM Permalink
People are so frustrated with UPA governemnt's anti people policy. BJP leaders have no worry about it. They worry about huge profit on 123 agreement after 2009 Elections.
Indias power shortage has nothing to do with nuclear power!!! No country can afford to rely on energy whose fuel has to be imported from outside. Europeans have reaslised that for gas they have to depend on Russia, Ukraine and other countries which flexes which flexes their muscle at own will. Same thing with Oil. it comes from middle east, one of the most dangerous place on earth!! So they are now clevery shifting into biofuel and other renewable sources so that in coming 50 years they will not have to depend on Russia and Middle east.
We are following are reverse strategy. After the deal we will be totally dependent on Australia, US or South Africa for uranium!! I don't understand the merit of this deal!!!
RE:Nuclear deal lacks merit!!!
by kapil on Aug 30, 2007 04:51 PM Permalink
my friends from Belgium and Germany smiles when they visit my office and see large UPS, Inverter and Generators, they say they don;t even switch off computers...Some of them even does not know what is UPS and step up transformer (we usually buy for Fridge and TV etc.).......
RE:Nuclear deal lacks merit!!!
by george on Aug 30, 2007 04:55 PM Permalink
In 2006, 3.9 gw of nuclear power was generated, 3 per cent of India%u2019s total power generation. In the most optimistic scenario, after the operationalisation of this deal, this would grow, at best, to 25 gw by 2016, or just over 7 per cent of the projected generation required. is it worth selling our sovereignty for?
RE:Nuclear deal lacks merit!!!
by ASHOK on Aug 30, 2007 05:00 PM Permalink
George 3% of 2006 and 7% of 2016 is not just 2.3 times. Look into Actual Jump and look into Thorium cycle utilisation coupled with Reprocessing advantage.
Also tell me why CHINA is going for 77 new Nuclear reactors in the same period, in which 20 reactors for India is a pain to KARAT / BARDHAN.
RE:Nuclear deal lacks merit!!!
by george on Aug 30, 2007 05:05 PM Permalink
Ofcourse 3% of 2006 and 7% of 2016 is not just 2.3 times. But it is 7% of what we require in 2016. I dont think you get the point at all.. the problem is not with number of reactors or the amount of nuclear material. It about the terms in hyde act.
(B) the country has a functioning and uninterrupted democratic system of government, has a foreign policy that is congruent to that of the United States, and is working with the United States in key foreign policy initiatives related to non-proliferation;
(C) such cooperation induces the country to implement the highest possible protections against the proliferation of technology related to weapons of mass destruction programs and the means to deliver them, and to refrain from actions that would further the development of its nuclear weapons program; and
(D) such cooperation will induce the country to give greater political and material support to the achievement of United States global and regional nonproliferation objectives, especially with respect to dissuading, isolating, and, if necessary, sanctioning and containing states that sponsor terrorism and terrorist groups, that are seeking to acquire a nuclear weapons capability or other weapons of mass destruction capability and the means to deliver such weapons;
RE:RE:Nuclear deal lacks merit!!!
by ASHOK on Aug 30, 2007 05:14 PM Permalink
I as Indian Give a damn to Hyde act. Hyde act is a US internal problem.
123 Nuclear deal and subsequent IAEA / NSG agreement will decide forward path.
India knows how to work around and find loop holes. Tarapur is no more supported by US , we are getting supplies from Russia.
2x1000 MW Kundan Kulam reactors are with Russian support.
If US tries to behave nuts than we Indians give a damn.
This month India is getting Nuclear SUB from Russia on a 10 year lease.
Do you think India sold its interest to any country so far.
If 123 Deal falls through as we wanted to test a nuclear device than we give a hoot to US. Let US stop the supplies. We will have many other suppliers by than.
RE:Nuclear deal lacks merit!!!
by ASHOK on Aug 30, 2007 06:16 PM Permalink
George >> USA was against us when we detonated Plotunium Bomb in 1974.
USA was against us when we repeated the act with 5 Explosions in a span of 2 days in 1998.
We know how to move ahead. Our position is not like IRAN.
Both India and Iran went for Nuclear technology , way back in 1950's.
Iran is still facing hurdles and has a long way to go.
China went far Nuclear technology only after 1970 ( Nuclear power generated Electricity)
Right now it is generating twice that of India ( Through Nuclear Route) By 2020 , India will be nowhere close to China even if Commies allow us to follow the plan. ( No more internal Delays)
RE:Nuclear deal lacks merit!!!
by george on Aug 30, 2007 05:20 PM Permalink
the US president has to submit a report each year on India's performance. The hyde act puts forward certain criteria which India has to follow inorder to qualify for a nuclear deal with US. If in one of the annual reviews, they find that India is not in line with hyde act, they can(have to?) withdraw from the act. By then India would be completely dependent on the nuclear fuel from Us and any lose of fuel would create major power crisis. No to mention all the multi million dollar nuclear reactors which will become useless. i am not saying this will happen but this could happen.
RE:Nuclear deal lacks merit!!!
by ASHOK on Aug 30, 2007 05:29 PM Permalink
George >> On one side you say 3% to 7% is not a great jump. On other side you say US abrupt withdrawl is going to plunge India into a major power crises. What is your stand.
Also I am telling you >> No worry we know how to keep our supplies running if US withdraws.
India is not a baby on a breast feed.
Look into US / China 123 nuclear deal. Based on that China is going for 77 reactors , deal is more stringent than Indian Deal. Do you think China is scared of US withdrawl.
On the other hand CHINA is regulary flouting MTCR and giving latest Missiles to Pakistan.
RE:Nuclear deal lacks merit!!!
by ASHOK on Aug 30, 2007 04:55 PM Permalink
Kapil >> You are right, Recently I went to Trinidad for installing a British Gas Gas Chromatograph coupled to Mass Spectroscope.
They had Power stability issues and I had to Buy UPS >>> I could not source it from US / UK. I got it from INDIA. Ofcource Shipping it took lot of time.
RE:RE:Nuclear deal lacks merit!!!
by Blaster on Aug 30, 2007 04:50 PM Permalink
No Country exposing much about Nuke power. European highly rely on Nuke power. I do accept that they rely on other countries for gas and oil. What about India?. We have thorium reserves. If you refer BBC website. Most european countries use high volume of Nuke power than other resources.
RE:Nuclear deal lacks merit!!!
by ASHOK on Aug 30, 2007 04:50 PM Permalink
India is making a good use of Uranium and Thorium through well researched Reprocessing.
This technology is India's. It has nothing to do with US or Russian Influence. In the whole loop orders will be placed for around 20 reactors( not necessary to US)
Commies are idiots and do not understand the whole concept. Want India to remain energy starved and blacked ou like west Bengal.
RE:Nuclear deal lacks merit!!!
by Kiran More on Aug 30, 2007 05:50 PM Permalink
West Bengal has lesser electricity scancity compared to other major states
RE:RE:Nuclear deal lacks merit!!!
by ASHOK on Aug 30, 2007 06:21 PM Permalink
W Bengal Electricty consumption per capita is no match to those in Industralised South India or West India.
W. Bengal literally threw out Industry during Jyoti Basu Days , now they are begging for Industralisation, and Mamta Benerzee is giving them their own medicine.
RE:Nuclear deal lacks merit!!!
by ASHOK on Aug 30, 2007 06:12 PM Permalink
George >> USA was against us when we detonated Plotunium Bomb in 1974.
USA was against us when we repeated the act with 5 Explosions in a span of 2 days in 1998.
We know how to move ahead. Our position is not like IRAN.
Both India and Iran went for Nuclear technology , way back in 1950's.
Iran is still facing hurdles and has a long way to go.
China went far Nuclear technology only after 1970 ( Nuclear power generated Electricity)
Right now it is generating twice that of India ( Through Nuclear Route) By 2020 , India will be nowhere close to China even if Commies allow us to follow the plan. ( No more internal Delays)
