One of the worst suggestions. Dr. Manmohan Singh knows which is good to India than most of the voters who cast their vote. Because he loves his country more than any other politicians. This is nation where phoolan devi and Amar sign get elected and where as Dr Manmohan singh looses. What is the sanctity of the electrol politics. Most of them are thugs who are in politics to make money to themselves irrespctive of their political affiliation
RE:Verdict of the people
by sangineersha on Aug 29, 2007 04:04 PM Permalink
Don't have so much trust on one guy. If He fails the whole country will suffer. In democracy everthing has to be through consensus.
RE:Verdict of the people
by Mitul Mehta on Aug 29, 2007 04:30 PM Permalink
As Indians, we lack trust in ourselves an therefore a phirang takes advantage of the situation and starts the cat-Monkey story... Trust the prime minister... and hold him accountable for everything.
RE:RE:Verdict of the people
by India Fan on Aug 29, 2007 04:24 PM Permalink
Some other add on portions, all future fighter jet deal, commercial aircraft deals to US.:) (Thats why the defense deal will also now be signed in a hurry).
Someone, has a daughter in US i guess and is merrily paying dowry from taxpayers mon
RE:Verdict of the people
by Virendra Mishra on Aug 29, 2007 04:39 PM Permalink
Leaving nuke deal to voters is not a bad suggestion. I think every important issue should be decided by public. But our election system is very very expensive and we wont afford going to public off and on.
But some important issues like election of PM, leader opposition, President of country and presidents of all national parties should be elected by people.
Hand picked PMs and Presidents are now real evils to democracy. Our present PM and President publicly state that they are thankful to a person instead of people of the country for holding high offices.
Even our CPM friends like Mr Prakahs Karat is not able to understand the nuke deal...how can a common man understand this. It took almost one week for BJP to understand 50% of it and the same took CPM two weeks to understand.
RE:CPM
by george on Aug 29, 2007 03:58 PM Permalink
The deal will produce 7% of our energy requirement in the next 40 years, provided India has a foreign policy congruent to US, halt further development of nuclear arsenal, and supports US in isolating new nuclear states(read Iran). its as simple as that... You don't have to be a nuclear scientist to understand this. If this is acceptable, everything is fine. The complete text of the 123 agreement, the Hyde act and the nuclear deal with china is available here. http://www.xrl.us/4jp8
RE:RE:CPM
by India Fan on Aug 29, 2007 04:23 PM Permalink
Some other add on portions, all future fighter jet deal, commercial aircraft deals to US.:) (Thats why the defense deal will also now be signed in a hurry).
Someone, has a daughter in US i guess and is merrily paying dowry from taxpayers money.:)
RE:CPM
by george on Aug 29, 2007 04:27 PM Permalink
@ India fan.. I really dont think there is such a term. If you notice, the latest 40,000 crore fighter jet deal is open to a number of countries, not just US.
RE:CPM
by India Fan on Aug 29, 2007 04:35 PM Permalink
Its a joke, don't worry its the F-16 or F-18 (outdated crap). Just wait and watch.:) BTW, Another guy told me about how US has offered Raptor and i contradicted him telling that just wait and watch the corrupt bunch will order the outdated F-16 / F-18 crap.
Trust me this is their real motive, slush money or should i say hush money.
RE:CPM
by India Fan on Aug 29, 2007 04:48 PM Permalink
It's time to forget about LCA, by the time it comes out, it can be useful for Museum display and showcasing it in air schools.
RE:CPM
by george on Aug 29, 2007 04:45 PM Permalink
I am laughing at the stupidity(ignorance?) of our authorities. I think we should invest 40,000 crores in developing our own fighters instead of buying crap.
It is very difficult for a common man to understand the nuke deal and vote for it. We have learned people in parlament. Let there be a White paper be presented to the house and nation. I believe everyone both the ruling party and the opposition partys are working (fighting) for the India's common good - unless disagreed by anyone.
I feel PM has the responsibility to explain the nation about the the strong reason for signining up the Nuke deal with the USA.
RE:Nuke Deal with the USA... By koteswara rao Sadineni
by george on Aug 29, 2007 03:52 PM Permalink
The deal will produce 7% of our energy requirement , provided India has a foreign policy congruent to US, halt further development of nuclear arsenal, and supports US in isolating new nuclear states(read Iran). As simple as that... You don't have to be nuclear scientist to understand this. If this is acceptable, everything is fine. The complete text of the 123 agreement, the Hyde act and the nuclear deal with china is available here. http://www.xrl.us/4jp8
Why on this earth we cannot focus on the issues involved rather than keep bla bla about all else except the main issues.
What is the cost of power so produced!
Have we exhausted all avenues to get Uranium
Is inspection of our facilities same as those for China, Russia & US
How does it impact our own nuclear plant manufacturing capacity!
Lastly why is the Government shying away from public discussion in a democracy!
We insist that it calls all the retired chairman of 1) our nuclear institutions 2), DRDO directors & 3) the retired chief justices to address the parliament on the subject
This way we common idiots would have a wider version on this matter and our only intelligent leaders would have done the least that they can to allay any apprehension.
RE:Leave the nuclear deal to the Little Man
by george on Aug 29, 2007 03:51 PM Permalink
The complete text of the 123 agreement, the Hyde act and the nuclear deal with china is available here. http://www.xrl.us/4jp8 The deal will produce 7% of our energy requirement , provided India has a foreign policy congruent to US, halt further development of nuclear arsenal, and supports US in isolating new nuclear states(read Iran). As simple as that... You don't have to be nuclear scientist to understand this.
RE:Leave the nuclear deal to the Little Man
by Shailesh Tripathi on Aug 29, 2007 04:23 PM Permalink
Yes you are right about what you say and that is exactly what would emerge out of the debate in the parliament.
Don't you see why the debate is not desirable from the perspective of a few who are hell bent on making us what we were sixty years ago for a period of hundreds of years
On 15th August 1947, India became independent country. U.S approached Pandit Jawarlal Nehru for the red coloured sand in the south of India for export to U.S. Mr Nehru not being a scientist and not knowing the implications, was extremely happy that India is getting an export order. This sand was exported to U.S in tons. This sand is called Thorium which is the raw material for Uranium to produce Atomic Energy. Late Homi Bhabha called on Prime Minister Mr. Nehru and advised him against exporting Thorium to U.S. Only then Mr.Nehru understood the gravity of the situation and abruptly stopped the export of the precious sand to U.S. Americas were extremely angry against India .From then onwards U.S.A continued their hatred towards India till today. It was sad Homi Bhabha was died in an Air Crash under mysterious circumstances.Then the late Vikram Sarabhai who was a disciple of Homi Bhabha continued Atomic Research in India. Vikaram Sarabhai was also died near Kovalam Beach near Thiruvandapuram; Kerala which was again shows the motive behind this death. It is everybody%u2018s view that the nuclear deal is harmful to our country. Incidentally this sand called Thorum is a Banned Material. U.S.A knows fully well that India is a very rich country in the whole of the world.
RE:About Nuclear Deal
by sangineersha on Aug 29, 2007 03:54 PM Permalink
I wasn't aware of it. It seems USA has finally succeeded in finding their supporters among us. This N deal has to be discussed at length among intellectuals of our country, than only we should move even a single step.
RE:About Nuclear Deal
by george on Aug 29, 2007 04:04 PM Permalink
This is nonsense. Thorium is a radioactive substance and India do have 25% of worlds thorium, but this story is fake.
RE:About Nuclear Deal
by jagar singh on Aug 29, 2007 04:14 PM Permalink
what has been all those meetings and statements issued by nuclear scientists ,if not discussions.last one year,there have been published,discussed debated different views on this.let us move further.there can be no development in isolation,nuclear or otherwise.
RE:About Nuclear Deal
by arungopal agarwal on Aug 29, 2007 04:32 PM Permalink
Mr. Anand,I am a nationalist,neither with US nor with USSR or with any political party. I want to know, why one should be prejudiced to US and what harm they have done to us.
RE:About Nuclear Deal
by vishal on Aug 29, 2007 03:50 PM Permalink
Dude where did u get this story from? Agreed Nehru was not as great as made out by Congress but definitely he was not stupid. Red Sand....hahaha u should be scriptwiter for one of thos Mehulkuar patriotic movies (with ppl like Dipak Shirke, Rajkumar)
RE:RE:About Nuclear Deal
by sangineersha on Aug 29, 2007 03:55 PM Permalink
Vishal, but the fact remains that Homi Bhabha and vikram sarabhai died untimely and mysteriously so nobody can denied that.
RE:About Nuclear Deal
by Vijay urf Teesmar Khan on Aug 29, 2007 04:58 PM Permalink
Nehru was definitely a stupid or idiot. The proof of this fact is Kashmir.
It is all because of this poor common man who does not understand anything, the country is in this present state of chaos. If the common man is able to understand the divisive politics of the politicians, the country would have been far ahead. First find out, how many common men know what is NPT, NSG, IAEA or the Nuclear Deal. Also, find out if they know the meaning of Nucleaar energy.
RE:Common Man can not understand anything
by Vijay urf Teesmar Khan on Aug 29, 2007 05:01 PM Permalink
You are right. Commonman can only vote foolishly on communal lines or caste. If somebody tell them that Congress wanted to make India powerful, but BJP did not let them do so, then they will vote for congress, without understanding that Woman Mohan Singh is virtually closing all nuk reactors for some electricity.
This way every important bill will be passed in the next election. More importantly, T.P. Sreenivasan, the writer of this article thinks that half of our population below poverty line is intelligent enough to give decision on such an important issue. We should immediately pass it and should not become part of communists strategy who own just 5% mandate. They want to help China and their help is an indirect help to Pakistan the country which is no more seen as USA as trustworthy ally. Pakistan enjoyed their tenure with U.S. and used U.S.A. but now due to reality infront of the world, it wants India not to support U.S. through muslims of India.
Dear Mr. Sreenivasan, I guess you're a former diplomat for the country. It's precisely those ambiguities left wittingly open for different interpretations is the problem. It's always the interpretation of the stronger of the two parties to the agreement prevails, and in this case it is the US. PV Narasimha Rao as a strategy left many issued unattented knowing fully well that those issues get resolved on their own in due course. But he left only those that fit that consideration. Apparently Manmohan Sing is copying his mentor's style in a wrong issue unaware that the nation has to pay the price when the interpretation comes up. The best example was "Nuclear Testing" which was left ambiguous. No sooner the PM asserted in the parliament that the agreement doesn't forbid us from testing than the reply came pat from the US that the agreement would be off the moment we test. It's the American Govt., muffled those voices who said these as they do not want to add more fuel to already ragin inferno here in Delhi. Both the US and we are hoping that such day and need would not arise wherein a clarification is required. But nevertheless, it is in our interest to get it clarified. External Affairs minister may state that the Hyde Act is not binding on us. Perfectly right! But it is binding on the Govt of the day in the US. A matured agreement should address all eventualities and if it can't for whatever reason those should be adversely affecting the other but not us if those ev
RE:APING PV NARASIMHA RAO IN THE WRONG WAY!
by vishal on Aug 29, 2007 03:45 PM Permalink
I fail to understand one point about Nuclear Test. If we test, the deal would be off- Let it be but till that time we can reap benifits. In fact the moment we test, we will invite sanctions again. So go ahead with deala nd go ahead with tests also when and if they become critical to our security
RE:APING PV NARASIMHA RAO IN THE WRONG WAY!
by Kabeer on Aug 29, 2007 04:27 PM Permalink
Once you test you have to return all the fuel supplied by the NSG including the spent material that can be used for enrichment. Besides, when you import power generation machinery from the US based companies, there will not be a corresponding binding clause that we don't have to repay those FOREX loans to buy them in case the US cancels the agreement. You have to pay for the machinery supplied by the American firms. Besides, your power generation will come to a grinding halt overnight the moment you test. It will be economically catastrophic! There is no use having military might without corresponding economic might. That is how the erstwhile USSR lost to the US in the power politics. They had the milirary might but that they got at the expense of economic growth which they didn't have. We lose to China in that fashion then. What use of Nuclear Bomb making capability when you don't have the economic strength. Being a respectable Security Council permanent berth seeking democracy, we can never behave like North Korea.
RE:APING PV NARASIMHA RAO IN THE WRONG WAY!
by saket verma on Aug 29, 2007 04:23 PM Permalink
The bone of contention is not the nuclear test but the Hyde Act.
RE:RE:APING PV NARASIMHA RAO IN THE WRONG WAY!
by sangineersha on Aug 29, 2007 03:58 PM Permalink
but this is not simple. Once deal is off, all the industries dependent on it will suffer hugely and whole economy will in doldrums. Controlling energy system of any country is the key to control that country. try and understand this simple funda.
I dont think we can people vote for 123 deal as most of the people dont know the 123 agreement forget about the strategic importance of it. And if it put to common vote we have our political parties giving twisted facts and sometimes blatant lies to public (both for and against the deal)- In fact some people are already saying the muslims would not be happy for this deal with US. So think these decision should be taken by professionals and some politicians who really care about India and not for vote politics. I think our PM is a capable man and we can not say he will involve anything taht is against our intrests. As for the Left thy do not like anything which is against Chinese interests who are their real political masters. For BJP...it is only afraid of current PM hogging all limelight and credit hence they wanna oppose it. HAd it been done in Vajpayee era all these puppets would have been singing exactly opposite songs.
RE:Who will vote for this...nobody what is 123 agreement
by george on Aug 29, 2007 03:41 PM Permalink
The complete text of the 123 agreement, the Hyde act and the nuclear deal with china is available here. http://www.xrl.us/4jp8
