1. The Indo US Cooperation on the Civilian Nuclear Program and the Agreement is now being called a 'deal', which, in common 'parlance' is not considered a polite word and our Prime Minister is being targeted as if he has made some underhand 'deal' with the US; some political parties including ones supporting the Government are doubting the integrity of the PM; it is a matter of National shame.
2. With his team from the MEA and DAE the PM has spent so much time and effort to bring the agreement to this stage / shape.
3. The opposition is talking of the Hyde Act, that if India carries out a Nuclear Test in future, all cooperation will stop. We do not even know if at all and when, in the distant future, a test/s will be required by the nation / scientists. Circumstances may be different and may be favourable, political alignment may be different; as of now we are in a self imposed moratorium, and correctly so.
4. The whole agreement is on the civilian nuclear program; our weapon's program will continue as it always has been, with our own reactors, reprocessing plants, enrichment plants and heavy water plants. We are not going to be giving the design and technology to any one; why, then are we pointing out that the US will not give these technologies as part of the civilian agreement?
5. About past tests and our strengths - we have been isolated with sanctions since 1974. The DAE scientists, engineers and technologists took up the challenge and after
RE:What the citizens of India should really know about The Nuclear DEAL?
by pp R on Aug 26, 2007 06:40 PM Permalink
---contd----more than thirty years' efforts have brought the nation to this stage of strength and pride that all other developed nations, not only the US but also other developed nations including the Russian Federation and the so called Eastern Block, have extended a hand for us to join them and we, after working and negotiating so hard, do not want to shake hands!
6. Are we conveying our arrogance? No other country, not even those who have been signatories to the NPT have been given such a chance.
7. Due to sanctions, we lived in isolation however, we put in efforts and spent resources to develop equipment, material and systems which are available at a relatively nominal cost. Of course, we are not complaining, we are all happy and proud that we, scientists and technologists were given the chance by the country to prove ourselves; if required we can and will do it again. But is it required? Especially, when we have achieved our objective and the world has recognised so?
8. We are proud of this because 30 years is a long period in the life of an individual (nearly all of one's productive working life) but for the life of a nation this is small.
9. At this stage, if we do not proceed further with the agreement (and not 'deal'), the world will not pardon us and the future isolation / sanctions may be more severe. Can we afford this when we are on the path of economic progress? India's international image will take a severe beating and our principles a
RE:RE:What the citizens of India should really know about The Nuclear DEAL?
by pp R on Aug 26, 2007 06:42 PM Permalink
---- contd ---- principles and our strategic strength will suffer; of course, our neighbours will only be too happy!
10. If ever we have to conduct a nuclear test in the distant future, we will weigh the consequences as we did in 1974, and again, in 1998 and decide; no country can dictate and the situation will be no different!
We believe citizens of India should awaken and force all our politicians to support this agreement; we must seize the opportunity help India attain leadership
It would be better a good thing if Left Parties go ahead actually to pull down the government. The viel threat to do so and putting the whole administration on ransom is not a good sign of a responsible Party. Better be it that they bring a motion in Parliament for a vote on it. And then Vote against the deal. Of course that would not automatically bring down the government.
The Left is not doing the analysis right. The question they have to answer first is as to where and how India would get the required energy generated for the next decde and beyond. Had it been their own government at the centre, they would have thought in the same line as the Congress is doing now and as the BJP did in the recent past.
By Blackmailing, the Left Parties are putting the entire country's energy situation in grave risk.
They have to spell out clearly as to how they think of solving the bleak scenario looming large in the near future. Surely we can not have any major Dams Constructed nor we can heavily depend on the depleting coal reserve. And with a large energy requirement in very near future - to light 50% of the villages who are not yet connected and to feed the industry in this rapidly expanding economy - even a half a dozen of nuclear reactors we are envisaging to put up through the 123 Deal, would only be a small fraction of the total requirement.
Certainly, the Left Parties are going to force us for an eighteen-hours-a-day power cut era.
RE:Commitment by Left Parties
by Batman on Aug 26, 2007 04:38 PM Permalink
For the commies theres no problem with Arunachal Pradesh as according to the commies arunachal belongs to china... For them the problem is wot to do with the rest of India. The commies are confused as to how much of the rest of India shuld goto China and hw much should go to pakistan. Am sure Karat and Yechury are workin hard to find a solution to thiis problem...
....... withdraw their support and let us have a government that would not be in the mercy of the Left Parties, and hence their blackmailing in most matters.
If left startsupporting such initiatives then they wont exist in this country.. they represents such a section of indian society who doesnt want india to grow. As if India grows they existence will be no where in India. They are fighting for their existence. Its on the public of India now to outst ppl like Karat, yechuri, barbdhan, d raja who are becoming heroes on TV now days.. Rest of India should boycott with Bengal and Kerala who are vote such chinese and pakistan supporters.. All business cos should pull out their FDI from bengal and kerala.. Let these leftists grow these states on their own and let these states be far behind in indian growth. Then only they will realize. These states put religion and other domestic issues first and select left parties.. What is the state of progress in Bengal and Kerala.. Kerala is not able to become a Karnataka or tamilnadu.. Bengal has not been able to like maharashtra or punjab. Kolkata has less IT cos than in Mumbai or bangalore where as in it is the one of metro.. Trivendrum has just few IT cos. All keralites go to US being nurses or in other jobs.Some time it seems even Bihar has emerged good politicians who are contributing in country progress. a person like Lalu has transformed the railways but these left are really the headless chickens in indian politics and the biggest obstacle in Indian growth story. I want mid term poll and appeal to public of India to kick the leftist throw out of parliament.
RE:Kick the leftist out
by Brian Antao on Aug 26, 2007 03:33 PM Permalink
These Bengalis and Keralites who have been electing the leftists have their brains up their asses only these people can be swayed by the leftist propaganda as they dont have their brains at the right places.
Only 2 nations in the whole world are opposing this Indo US nuclear deal, China and Pakistan.... China has the Most Favored NAtion status with the US and opposes the same status for India. China has got a similar nuclear deal with the US bt opposes the deal with India... Jyoiti Basu of CPM protested against Indian defence againt chinese invasion of india in 1962 and was jailed by Nehru for anti India activities. Basu went on to become the CM of bengal. Commies never condemn Chinese claim of arunachal Pradesh whn the people themselves want top be part of India.. CPM opposes Indian nuclear progress bt has no problems with Chinas nuclear arming of pakistan whch are targeted towards India and supports iranian nuclear program. The communists oppose ndustrialiazation in India and went on killing 100's of poor farmers in Singur and Nandigram tryin to grab farmers fertile land for setting up industries. Commies are ruling bengal for more than 30 years now and have reduced bengal from being the finest to being the poorest.. Only big industry in commie ruled states bangal and kerala are trade unions and their number one product is strikes and bandh. Commies vociferously opposed introduction of computers by rajiv gandhi, commies cald computers as evil and against national interest. Commies neva condemned chinese invasion of India in 1962. Commies do not recognize aksai chin in kashmir as part of india. And yes the commies got a new name now "Headless Chickens and Spineless Morons".
RE:commie traitors
by Chander Malik on Aug 26, 2007 01:56 PM Permalink
If left startsupporting such initiatives then they wont exist in this country.. they represents such a section of indian society who doesnt want india to grow. As if India grows they existence will be no where in India. They are fighting for their existence. Its on the public of India now to outst ppl like Karat, yechuri, barbdhan, d raja who are becoming heroes on TV now days.. Rest of India should boycott with Bengal and Kerala who are vote such chinese and pakistan supporters.. All business cos should pull out their FDI from bengal and kerala.. Let these leftists grow these states on their own and let these states be far behind in indian growth. Then only they will realize. These states put religion and other domestic issues first and select left parties.. What is the state of progress in Bengal and Kerala.. Kerala is not able to become a Karnataka or tamilnadu.. Bengal has not been able to like maharashtra or punjab. Kolkata has less IT cos than in Mumbai or bangalore where as in it is the one of metro.. Trivendrum has just few IT cos. All keralites go to US being nurses or in other jobs.Some time it seems even Bihar has emerged good politicians who are contributing in country progress. a person like Lalu has transformed the railways but these left are really the headless chickens in indian politics and the biggest obstacle in Indian growth story. I want mid term poll and appeal to public of India to kick the leftist throw out of parliament.
Indian PM makes statement in LS that India will right to conduct n-test. but the next day, US says that the deal will be off immediately on happening of the event. Who is right? is PM misleading the indian public? and that will be the worst scenerio where PM has to lie. There must b reasonable doubt over the n-deal conditions which needs to be discussed.
RE:n-deal
by Batman on Aug 26, 2007 01:16 PM Permalink
Its an open secret that the Communist Party Of India has an Alliance with the Communists frm China. The Commies in India get direct orders frm the chinese embassy in delhi whch has been proved by the intelligence bureau and RAW. The current opposition is a direct responce of the opposition of the chinese to this deal. It has been well documneted that the commies in India owe their loyalty to their chinese masters. The IB has credible evidence of the orders issued by the chinese to the Lefts in India to not to let this deal pass by at any cost.
RE:n-deal
by Ajay Kumar on Aug 26, 2007 02:30 PM Permalink
batman to a certain extent u r right. in that case, IB shud reveal the truth to public n voters shud wipe out such communists from the country in next elections. but the fact remains that US has categorically said they wud scrap the deal. i m not saying this only bcoz leftists r protesting the deal.
RE:n-deal
by Batman on Aug 26, 2007 04:33 PM Permalink
The Hyde Act is a cosmetic effect to shut the mouths of the Non Proliferation hawks in Washington who vehemently oppose this deal. It can neva and will neva bind India into anything. The US understands it has no leverage to stop India from testign weapons. The US will not withdraw from the deal neither will it impose sanctions on India as it has billions of dollars of investment in India. Remember 1998 whn US imposed sanctions on India and has to finally bite the dust whn they realized it was their companies that were suffering the most. So chill the time for us has come to give India its due place on the world stage. Nuthn ca stop India now frm becoming a superpower. The left traitors will go to hell with their chinese masters. Chinas plan of containment and suppresing India to third world status will be defetead.
RE:n-deal
by Lalatendu Deo on Aug 26, 2007 05:13 PM Permalink
I do not think so. In a way what the Left parties are doing is to get teh best out of the Pact we are going to sign. There will be clarification from US on several things those that are raised.
After all, US is eually interested to get the 123 Deal through. And they might give those concessions that were demanded by our negotiators and have not got. Certainly there are gray areas around. And those need not be white washed.
RE:RE:n-deal
by Lalatendu Deo on Aug 26, 2007 05:54 PM Permalink
But, can they be able to stop the deal if the deal is very much required by us? If congress party takes a chance and goes ahead, Left can not stop it. Only option left with Left is to pull down the government. They can always force a vote in the parliament. But that will not automatically stop the deal. And if we have a General Election, and if BJP comes to power, they will sign a version of the Pact, anyway.
So why should we worry, if this is that important. And I do not think we should discount the points raised by the Left. We must also take them with us. We must answer those questions rather than taking names.
And I do not think that the Left Parties were doing this because of any ulterior motives.
RE:n-deal
by Batman on Aug 26, 2007 05:14 PM Permalink
Only 2 nations in the whole world are opposing this Indo US nuclear deal, China and Pakistan.... China has the Most Favored NAtion status with the US and opposes the same status for India. China has got a similar nuclear deal with the US bt opposes the deal with India... Jyoiti Basu of CPM protested against Indian defence againt chinese invasion of india in 1962 and was jailed by Nehru for anti India activities. Basu went on to become the CM of bengal. Commies never condemn Chinese claim of arunachal Pradesh whn the people themselves want top be part of India.. CPM opposes Indian nuclear progress bt has no problems with Chinas nuclear arming of pakistan whch are targeted towards India and supports iranian nuclear program. The communists oppose ndustrialiazation in India and went on killing 100's of poor farmers in Singur and Nandigram tryin to grab farmers fertile land for setting up industries. Commies are ruling bengal for more than 30 years now and have reduced bengal from being the finest to being the poorest.. Only big industry in commie ruled states bangal and kerala are trade unions and their number one product is strikes and bandh. Commies vociferously opposed introduction of computers by rajiv gandhi, commies cald computers as evil and against national interest. Commies neva condemned chinese invasion of India in 1962. Commies do not recognize aksai chin in kashmir as part of india. And yes the commies got a new name now "Headless Chickens and Spineless Morons".
RE:n-deal
by Lalatendu Deo on Aug 26, 2007 05:31 PM Permalink
Batman, what the Left Parties are doing now is for a reason. And I do not have anything against that.
My point always have been that the political parties should do what is best for the country and not to give much thrust to their own narrow aims. A good point that has happened is that we have become more conscious about the entire issue in question and now the weak points are there for all of us to see.
Its an open secret that the Communist Party Of India has an Alliance with the Communists frm China. The Commies in India get direct orders frm the chinese embassy in delhi whch has been proved by the intelligence bureau and RAW. The current opposition is a direct responce of the opposition of the chinese to this deal. It has been well documneted that the commies in India owe their loyalty to their chinese masters. The IB has credible evidence of the orders issued by the chinese to the Lefts in India to not to let this deal pass by at any cost.
RE:n-deal
by Chander Malik on Aug 26, 2007 01:58 PM Permalink
you said right Batman and any one supporting left is traitor and culprit of this country..
RE:n-deal
by Batman on Aug 26, 2007 01:14 PM Permalink
Do u bel;eive our PM or the US spokeman. U dont have the trust in your PM, what a pity. There is no restriction on nuclear testing. We have every right to test and reprocess spent fuel. The best thing is all our own uranium resources will now be freed to be used in the weapons programme. The fuel for power generation will be imported. The PM is not misleading the public, its the Ccommies who are trying to advance Chinese and Pakistani interests by forcing a blockade of Indias progress.
I have always been a firmm supporter of BJP in the past, but after I read the remarks of Advani which he made in Pakistan, has caused a lot of BJP supporters into supporting Congress. I see it as the only party which has done commendable works for our country, If it was Rajeev Gandhi and Sam Pitroda who gave us computers and ushered us into the IT age, it was Manmohan Singh who gave us self respect in the International scene. Now take the achievement of LEFT: 1) Supported China in war with India, Left still doesnt agree that China has forcibly taken over the Kashmir part of Askai chin which it doesnt return. 2) Just one hour before the Left boycott of the N-Deal, China had stated that either it be the No N-Deal or Manmohan Singh Govet will fall (Refer DAWN Pakistan newspaper dtd 25.08.07) 3) Left doesnt support privatisation, IT sector, and it doesnt want people to pay for electricity and Diesal and Oil that they consume, as it feels that such measures will bring it votes from poor people. Just see the mess they have created in Bengal, where the poverty has incresed under Left rule. 4) Left doesnt support India coming close to USA, as it doesnot want India to prosper, and get out of Isolation. in return Left leaders get free tickets from China to meet the comrade brothers there. In case elections are held tommorow, its for sure that whatever seats Left and BJP have will nosedive, and Congress will come back to power on its own..
RE:We seriously need another elections
by deepak on Aug 25, 2007 09:58 PM Permalink
What in hell r u talking about.. Make sense....Advani is not a BJP, he is part of BJP.
RE:We seriously need another elections
by Lalatendu Deo on Aug 26, 2007 04:21 PM Permalink
How do you conclude that a general election now would solve the problems we have now. There is every chance that we would have a similar equation then. It may be worse. There might be some regional parties who would make all the troubles, which might be worse than what we have now. At least the Left is blackmailing in some errand issues. Then it might be majority of issues where the interference will be there.
It does not matter as to whether Congress or BJP takes the lead to form the government after the election.
RE:It should reflect in election
by Shankar Panday on Aug 25, 2007 10:40 PM Permalink
Bengalis should learn to think and not just follow stupid Communist idealogues who live in a perfect world they created in their minds..not unlike Islamists. These Commies will snap at everything US but dont even realize that China itself runs on American business. The sooner Bengalis rediscover the Bengal of Vivekananda, Tagore, Bankim, the better for this nation or else it will be run over by jihadies.
RE:It should reflect in election
by Tarun S on Aug 26, 2007 11:52 AM Permalink
why the left parties not trying to solve the Arunachal Pradesh visa problem with china?..
RE:It should reflect in election
by Batman on Aug 26, 2007 04:38 PM Permalink
For the commies theres no problem with Arunachal Pradesh as according to the commies arunachal belongs to china... For them the problem is wot to do with the rest of India. The commies are confused as to how much of the rest of India shuld goto China and hw much should go to pakistan. Am sure Karat and Yechury are workin hard to find a solution to thiis problem...
