Hey all you guys. I have only true word of advice. Put these differences aside. India has a long tradition and history of peaceful coexistence. Here's my challenge to all Hindus.
If you are real inheritors of our ancient and beloved SANATANA DHARMA, then come together and unite under one banner of our age-old religion and motherland. Let us come together not by hating other religions but driven by true love for our own religion and culture. Let us not compromise the ancient religion of our forefathers. Remember, we can be secular, but that doesn't mean we are any less Hindu. DO NOT LOSE YOUR HINDU IDENTITY FOR THE SAKE OF ANYONE. DO NOT PANDER TO WEAKNESS AND NEVER HURT OTHERS RELIGIOUS FAITHS. PROVE TO ME THAT YOU ARE MY REAL HINDU BROTHERS !
RE:A clarion call for fellow brethern
by mindgod on Aug 26, 2007 01:43 PM Permalink
Do you believe that our muslims brothers need peace. They need peace only if India can be made into an Islamic state through creation of small small Muslim pockets. Unlike in chechnia etc, in India a peaceful way to change Indias polity, demography etc are possible. Offcourse I cant change your secularism. But for sure, time will change it. But once muslims are majority, remember , the way India will be could be easily understood from current muslim pockets in India. Only muslims live there, others desert those lands, even if it is their birth place. My dear, search for peace should never be a weekness. Be strong.. Talk to all your muslim, hindu and christian friends... take courage to speak controversal issues. But people like u will feel, avoid controversial issues. If you wanted to know reality be couragious.. talk to many of them.. Read all forums, national and international. Talk to people who lived in other muslim countries. Study history, corelate it with current generation of muslims what we see, if it matches take it, or else throw it. Relentlessly take courage to find truth. One day you will see the muslims are they are.. Now how will someone find reason to delete this post. I am just saying the way..!!!
RE:A clarion call for fellow brethern
by neha kothari on Aug 26, 2007 01:50 PM Permalink
Come on guys dont listen to this type of people.. Really he does not know history. They ruled us for more than 300 years.. If they wanted they could have converted each and every hindu.. But did they? How could hindus be in majority? Dont you know even Tipusultan has a hindu advisor.. Check now the gulf states.. Ask any hindu in dubai, how are muslims.. He will tell you, how peaceful they are.. If someone abuse your identity, someone destroys your homes, childrens, dont you retaliate? Now, each and every action is associated with them.. Why dont you think it may be the act of a political party or a hindu terrorist organization? dont you think they are exists?
RE:A clarion call for fellow brethern
by Sanjai on Aug 26, 2007 02:29 PM Permalink
Neha,
I think you need to spend more time understanding cultures and history. You also need to track happening all around the world and put 2 and 2 together.
BTW they tried to convert every Hindu. You know Afganistan, Pakistan and Bangladesh were basically Hindus. We have probably lost count of how many Hindus died resisting conversion. Hinduism is the only system which has survived Islamic rule for so long in world History. Does that speak about Islam being kind or the basic strength of the Hindu system ?
Of course there good Muslims. But you need to read history in an overall perspective and dont look at isolated examples
RE:A clarion call for fellow brethern
by ashraf thokur on Aug 26, 2007 03:12 PM Permalink
NEHA... U R WORDS ARE REALLY TOUCHABLE.. INDIA SHOULD HAVE MILLIONS OF PEOPLE LIKE U.. BUT UNFORTUNATELY NOT!!
RE:A clarion call for fellow brethern
by mindgod on Aug 26, 2007 02:44 PM Permalink
Nehaji.. I never said any history. Offcourse hsitory is so vast mostly written by the winner. Also one needs too much intelligence to analyse past, present and map the present to past inorder to reach an unbiased conclussion. My google bookmarks are brimming with umpteen proofs including compensation money but not limited to ways muslim countries deal with non-muslims. But I have no interest in preaching someone. Events like this will prompt intelligent people to look in the correct directions. I just need to guide as many people to truth, whatever they find. If the final outcome is muslims are peaceful people, they wish all good to all people irrespective of religion, in countries they rule there is no discrimination between them and other religons between woman and man etc, I have no intenssion to change it.. SO BE IT.. That is that person's truth. Tipu Sultan is an excellent peace for jai-krishnan to start with. First have a priliminary study with available materials, then if you need more materials with logical analysis mail me tachionic(at)gmail.com . Ha ha... Every 3 months average 30 Indians have to die in terrorism.. How many could you route back to your so called hindu extrimist fools. Vist some muslims families... Talk to them freely about your beleifs, everyone celebrating every religion festival etc.. See it first hand.. Try find truth yourself.. It is wide open before you, only unbiased attitude and quest for truth and real peace is required.
RE:A clarion call for fellow brethern
by mindgod on Aug 26, 2007 03:51 PM Permalink
Akashji, It is you who would need their protection. Not them. Perhaps for a day or two they may need. Give them that with your life too. But thats it. It ends their. It should be as akash as a person. But Akash as someone who should find a direction to this, should distance from unreality. He needs to think in rational lines and see what has happened, what is happening and what may happen.. Think a little above than present. In that role you should be ready to lose yourself and everything u posses, or else u cant survive that role. It is such roles that is lacking for mother India.
As I said, our hope is Americans/jews, not that they are good holy beings, but earth needs to survive right. One religion should hold all the world in terror. So my request to have an open mind. No one is good, no one is bad.. then study our own friends, relatives etc. study their ego, insecurity, beliefs, etc... Talk to them openly but remain unattached to the conversation and find the social truth. It is one of the dirtiest truths. Then study hisory offcourse distorted. So map present to past and find the truth. Present is before u to see and analyse. Like physics no instantanious discontinuity is possible between past and present. So to a reasonable level an intelligent unbiased person should be able to map present to past and then use this past-and-future to predict the enevitable future, the sword that hangs around your head..!!! good luck. Dont hate anyone, but act patiently pragmati
RE:A clarion call for fellow brethern
by mindgod on Aug 26, 2007 03:24 PM Permalink
My best friend is a muslim too. He comes with me to temple too. But he is not couragious enought to speak against his people. Like him most good muslims are in di-lemma. They know their people are not so tollerant, but cant change it. But they are afraid that if anyone listen to hindu woes, it would effect their security. For Islam, if a muslim opposses it, he should be exterminated first... That is the lesson our the wicked ones have given to good muslims throughout history even today in salmanrushdie and Taslima. So they dont want to fight/speak anything about bad of Islam. They keep quiet saying it is sad and all muslims are not bad. They are not couragious enough to save his hindu brother from their wicked barbarians. Now what should one do.. The play ground is not levelone. My understanding and study says nothing can be done. See the problem as a whole, not as part. Individual relations are individual relations. Or else only the harder, uncompramising religon will win, softer one will be crushed out. So though I love my dear muslim friend and his family I just show love to them and similar alone. As someone bigger I need to play another role, in that role my friend is one amoung millions in this world. So as me.. Emotions shouldnt take action when dealing with masses, intelligence and a pragmatic and realistic solution should. As of now India has no choice until it reach a boiling point. After boiling point, India will survive if USA/israel has interest in India.
RE:RE:A clarion call for fellow brethern
by mindgod on Aug 26, 2007 03:37 PM Permalink
Akash, Again 5000years of survival is not an accident. It is through people like you and me India has survived. But land mass of India is a constant. And offcourse each day more muslim pockets are created in every part. I have a situation to give you.
50 years before there lived some many hindus in northern district of kerala called kazargod. My friend (hindu) is a native of there. His sister got a teacher job in govt high-school (run as muslim school, holiday is fri/sun). In first week of class itself she realised the sad truth. 6th std kids shouted at her and threw things at her asking her to remove bindi, put scarf, remove her krishna-locket. She tried for 3 more days, then resigned. It was a govt job that is lost. She did because, on inquiry she realised that is how they make sure that in that district only muslim teachers should be govt teachers. Who is behind 11 year old kids of 6th std? Noone acted, one more family in a process of relocating from kazargod, leaving where their forefathers lived for ages. This is how mini-paks are formed. There are good muslims there too. In district with 80% muslims atleast 50% of your friends will be muslims. But see the situation., if u act on individual bias of goodness, it is foolish. So be good as u are, dont change due to me. Time will do anything if it needs. U can mail me in tachionic(at)gmail.com incase u need more info or proofs for what i said. It was just an example. I too want a vasudaiva-kudumbakam, pragamatic on
RE:RE:A clarion call for fellow brethern
by mindgod on Aug 26, 2007 04:05 PM Permalink
Akash, I dont wish a hindu republic. Love and truth is beyond religion and name. Extrimism is everywhere. In hinduism and christianity too. But they have a balance, their own people makes for a balance. look neo-cons of USA, they are very fundamentalistic in their christian belief that USA is a christian country!! Why again another country with a hindu name.
U know one irony. Peace is only possible through war. The peace world enjoy now is the result of WWII. But as we see, this peace is also short lived. After war, follows peace which inevitably follows war, as long as majority of people are matured and only reasonably greedy.
So it is ok to have an India as India, a simple state. Not secular... That word lost its meaning. Let us not name it . India is an Indian republic of love and freedom and sacrifice. Hmm it is not even a dream, for I am not couragious for that too. As every word in world, we assert the meaning to words. Unfortunately the meaning given by crooked humans to "secularism" is so horrible than prostitution and trechery. So let India be a attribute less republic.
Now about democracy. It is all about demo-graphy. As long as u love your parent more than others in this earth. The problem of demography exist in microscopic level. It has the pottential to grow as a macroscopic beast. For that not to happen, maturity and love to nature and humans is required.
Man should be beyond religion, Religion is for him and not he for religion. truth-unselfishnes
how right is when u say there were no blasts untill 1991...muslims have been on the path of aggression as soon as they formed in this world. The millions of Hindus killed in India in the middle centuries by the muslim invaders and harrasment and torturing given to the majority hindu population is a strong proof.\
Islamic terrorism took strong hold in the 60's when pakistan's ISI's(dominated by punjabi muslims) sole aim was to brainwash mojahirs and pathans(afghani and pakistani) to take up terrorist activities against India to de-stabilise it. Pakistan knew that India was invincible in long term wars. Blasts were there in India since the 60's perpetuated pakistan backed outfits like SIMI. Your knowledge of things only is getting back to as far as 1991 ..mr.muslim under the name Ganesh.
RE:Kurrroon_ has to be EDITEd and rewritten - Taslima Nasreen
by Robindu Shah on Aug 26, 2007 02:08 PM Permalink
I strongly support your view.Muslims have no respect for non-Muslims.It is time for all Hindus to unite.No matter whether one belivesw in God or not.But, now if any riot beging,Muslim will not consider it.They , by their nature, will start killing all non-Muslims.It is time for all Hindus to understand the danger waiting for us. Let us unite and start any kind of non-coperation with Muslims.
RE:Kurrroon_ has to be EDITEd and rewritten - Taslima Nasreen
by James on Aug 26, 2007 01:45 PM Permalink
Mr. Mullah, Sri Krishna told to Arjun in battlefield, that you have to fight against your cousins, because its fight of Truth against falsehood. Do you mean to say that Sri Krishna was teaching terrorism or you shud always kill your cousins? Absolultelty not. Therefore, if we start quoting Bhagwad Gita or Ramayana, out of the context, then it will look like as if teaching terrorism. Similarly, wherever, in Quran or hadiths, calls for war it means war against Falsehood, same manner as Lord Rama did, or as Lord Krishna preached in Gita. These kind of ghastly acts of terror has no religion. They can be 'namesake' Muslims but certainly not Muslims.
RE:RE:Kurrroon_ has to be EDITEd and rewritten - Taslima Nasreen
by Robindu Shah on Aug 26, 2007 02:20 PM Permalink
Mr. DON, country has already been divided based on religion....if muslims want to spread, plz go to bang ladesh or pakistan....you, the muslims, have no respect for other religions....you do not have any familty planning...or any indian sentiment.It is for you, the muslims, our beautiful INDIA is suffering....
It is a sad but fact that we are the victims of this menace. We don't have to think whether they are the work of a community or a caste. But the effects of this avativity is sufered by the whole community. It includes, hindus, muslims, christians and all others... Now what we need is the will to be together and make the awareness without blaming anybody, our goal and the right to live ina peaceful environment. Forget about the politicians. They are lost cases. But we the citizens are still vigilent and alert. As long as we are together, the activities of the cowards and the politicians won't affect our growth. Always keep in mind and be optimistic that " We shall overcome oneday..."Our nation is great..No body can destroy it as lond as we are together... JAI HIND!!!!
Ish sari musibat ka karad apne hi desh ke gumrat youth muslims hai. Videsh me rahne vala ya videsh se annne vala tab tak kuch nahi bigad sakta hai, jab tak apne hi ghar ka koi madad na karee. kash ki itni samaj hoti ish desh ke youth muslim logo me. hindu sirf ek daram nahi balki ek samsadbaw ki manayata rakhne vala visvas hai. Kabhi socha appne akhir kyo har baar koi na koi musalman hi in blast ke peeche hota hai, kyo??? kya galti thi humari yahi na ki humne pakistan ki tarah jabarjasti daramparivartan nahi karaee. Kash ki ye gumrah log samaj patte ki kishi innocent ko mar kar vo sahid nahi ho saktee. Aur koi khuda ya upper vala unke ish saramnak karmo pe khus nahi hota.
RE:Apne ab apne nahi rahe sayad
by James on Aug 26, 2007 01:58 PM Permalink
Sri Maurya jee, aap ka kathan bilkul satya hai. parantu atankwaad ka koi dharm nahi hota. Mazhab nahi sikhata aapas mein bair rakhna. Agar dosh sarkaar ka hai toh dosh is mein Musalmaano ka bhi hai, ke woh apne hi logon mein Islaam dharam ki sahi paribhasha na samjha sake. Aur baar baar sachche musalmano ko aap jaise ungli uthane wale logon ke samakch lajjit hona padta hai.
RE:RE:Apne ab apne nahi rahe sayad
by ritunesh maurya on Aug 26, 2007 02:22 PM Permalink
Manniye james mahodai Yaar ye kahna to sarasar galat hai ki kaam pade likhe sirf musalman hai hai. Ish bade sesh me karodo hindu kaam pade likhe hai, ya bilkyul illitrate hai. Galti kahi aur hai. I am unable to hit the exact point but the real responsibilities goes directly to so called sachche musalman bahi to find the cause of this problem and hit it well.
RE:RE:Apne ab apne nahi rahe sayad
by ritunesh maurya on Aug 26, 2007 02:28 PM Permalink
Oh Don where you had been so long. More than seventeen countries cops are searching for you. Hope they will be bit relaxed to see you still alive and active. You are dictating us even to not use our national language for general communication. Sayad app jaise logo ke karad hi biachri apni rastra basaha ki ye durdasa hai.
RE:The result of unprincipled divisive democracy
by jay krishnan on Aug 26, 2007 01:30 PM Permalink
Ya Mickey, We all know how many benefits are there for other religions in your country. Especially if you belong to a different race (eg: south asian) how your people treat us in social places. We are not even tolerated in the least bit in mainstream society and absolutely no rights . They all look good on paper only. If you aspire to be in public life like a politician etc.. you can count on getting absolutely no votes from your racist white folks. thats for sure. And in your country's bars and nightclubs, we south asians are treated like untouchables nowadays.
RE:The result of unprincipled divisive democracy
by BTech MBA on Aug 26, 2007 02:37 PM Permalink
Go back to your dirty country India and NEVER come back. WE DONT WANT YOU HERE.
RE:RE:The result of unprincipled divisive democracy
by Mikkey Moouse on Aug 26, 2007 01:06 PM Permalink
When the attacks took place against America the B-1 & B-52 bombers took off for the countries responsible, the governments were toppled in a jiffy and new ones installed and there has not been another single bomb attack on U.S. soil for the past 6 years.
All those who meddle with America will get their a s s cooked.
RE:The result of unprincipled divisive democracy
by Philo on Aug 26, 2007 01:32 PM Permalink
Thats news to me. Last I read I didnt see Osama's a-s-s on the roads again. Probably the water flowing in Jhelum is his peeeeee. And your brain has been washed up drinking that pee.
RE:KICK POLITICAINS
by JOTISH NAIR on Aug 26, 2007 01:08 PM Permalink
how right is when u say there were no blasts untill 1991...muslims have been on the path of aggression as soon as they formed in this world. The millions of Hindus killed in India in the middle centuries by the muslim invaders and harrasment and torturing given to the majority hindu population is a strong proof.\
Islamic terrorism took strong hold in the 60's when pakistan's ISI's(dominated by punjabi muslims) sole aim was to brainwash mojahirs and pathans(afghani and pakistani) to take up terrorist activities against India to de-stabilise it. Pakistan knew that India was invincible in long term wars. Blasts were there in India since the 60's perpetuated pakistan backed outfits like SIMI. Your knowledge of things only is getting back to as far as 1991 ..mr.muslim under the name Ganesh.
RE:KICK POLITICAINS
by JOTISH NAIR on Aug 26, 2007 01:16 PM Permalink
how right is when u say there were no blasts untill 1991...muslims have been on the path of aggression as soon as they formed in this world. The millions of Hindus killed in India in the middle centuries by the muslim invaders and harrasment and torturing given to the majority hindu population is a strong proof.\
Islamic terrorism took strong hold in the 60's when pakistan's ISI's(dominated by punjabi muslims) sole aim was to brainwash mojahirs and pathans(afghani and pakistani) to take up terrorist activities against India to de-stabilise it. Pakistan knew that India was invincible in long term wars. Blasts were there in India since the 60's perpetuated pakistan backed outfits like SIMI. Your knowledge of things only is getting back to as far as 1991 ..mr.muslim under the name Ganesh.
RE:KICK POLITICAINS
by Philo on Aug 26, 2007 01:35 PM Permalink
I always said Muslims were a problem. If you know how to google search "newsgroups" go and do a search on Muslims Parasites. You will get a message I wrote in 1991. Based on that result you will also know who I am. And I am not a bit afraid. Its an in your face posting I did in 1991. Too bad, people didn't listen to me then.
RE:KICK POLITICAINS
by JOTISH NAIR on Aug 26, 2007 01:41 PM Permalink
Why should I be raising my voice when every one aware of the facts....I'm not a coward to get timid by some ruthless brainless islamisist.
THIS MESSAGE IS FOR ALL THE INDIANS WHO THINK THEY ARE LITERATE..........
IF THE PEOPLE LIKE ME n YOU THINK LIKE-- AS MUSLIMS ARE BEHIND THIS BLAST THEN SORRY TO SAY BUT U ARE NOT A TRUE INDIAN. CAUSE OUR MOTHER INDIA HAS MANY SONS AND MUSLIMS ARE ONE OF THEN, U CAN'T BLAME ANNY COMMUNITY FOR THIS ACT OF SHAME CAUSE THIS IS NOT DONE BY ANY OF THE COMMUNITY AS SUCH RATHER THERE ARE SOME COWARDS WHO R DOING ALL THIS CRAP AND WE HAVE TO SHOW THEM WHATEVER THEY WILL TRY TO BREAK THE BONDAGE BETWEEN BROTHERS OF MOTHER INDIA WILL ONLY STRENGTHEN THAT BOND...
SO, IT IS MY HUMBLE REQUEST TO U ALL INSTEAD OF BLAMING ANY PARTICULAR COMMUNITY WE HAVE TO SHOW OUR STRENGTH AND THAT IS ""UNITY"".........
RE:To the so called Tech Savvy and Literate people.................
by saishivkumar kalahastry on Aug 26, 2007 02:00 PM Permalink
This what the Politicians speak after every such kind of incident.People only beleiving in lectures and such diplomatic talks but why stern ACTION on such barberic acts not taken? Is that the 1st Occasion happening or will it be the last occasion for such type of acts? We all are cowards and incapable of identifying the culprit and bring to the justice. Since we are indecesive such acts will be continued in future too and in fact more new outfit will gather courage to experiment on our land and more so with our citizen.
why is that muslims are more illiterates than any other religion in India, its not because somebody from outside is preventing them from getting education. In pakistan 72% of people are illiterartes..why? as one pathan cab driver in Dubai said no body is allowed to learn in school apart from madrassa coz they think it is haram. The illogical believes and slavery to religion has caused downfall of the muslim population. In some gulf countries(qatar, saudi arabia) women has no right s to get educated or even drive car. In Iran people learn English in secrecy..for the fundamentalist rulers English is haram...then how do u expect muslims to develop their brains...an ideal brain is a devil's paradise. Are peoplr , who defends islam here in this forum ready to ignore the clergy men who gives illogical calls and fatwas?
IT IS BECAUSE OF THESE POLITICAL PARTIES WE FEEL UNSAFE IN TRAINS AND BUSES IT IS BECAUSE OF THEM RIOTS HAPPENED AND NOW BLASTS HAPPEN NOW AND THEN THERE WERE NO BLASTS TILL 1992 HOW COME BLASTS ARE HAPPEING NOW AND THEN THESE PEOPLE ARE HEIRS OF JINNAH THERE ARE DOING THINGS WORSE THEN HIM SHAME ON THESE PARTIES
RE:KICK THE POLITIACAL PARTIES
by Red Chilli on Aug 26, 2007 12:51 PM Permalink
I pray to God that there are no Muslim Casualties - either injured or loss of life - otherwise our Prime Minister The Honourable Dr. Man Mohan Singh will lose his sleep.
RE:KICK THE POLITIACAL PARTIES
by Rajesh Nair on Aug 26, 2007 01:08 PM Permalink
you have said right red chilli... our honourable PM's sleep depends who (implying from which community) got affected... anyway he has been asked to act to get votes.. he has no other way out.. but to act...
RE:KICK THE POLITIACAL PARTIES
by pdr pdr on Aug 26, 2007 01:16 PM Permalink
Supperb Hit Red Chilli !!! Your quote should be the headlines of TOI so that everybody comes to know the HARDCORE truth of our "Minority Lover" politicions
RE:KICK THE POLITIACAL PARTIES
by JOTISH NAIR on Aug 26, 2007 01:09 PM Permalink
how right is when u say there were no blasts untill 1991...muslims have been on the path of aggression as soon as they formed in this world. The millions of Hindus killed in India in the middle centuries by the muslim invaders and harrasment and torturing given to the majority hindu population is a strong proof.\
Islamic terrorism took strong hold in the 60's when pakistan's ISI's(dominated by punjabi muslims) sole aim was to brainwash mojahirs and pathans(afghani and pakistani) to take up terrorist activities against India to de-stabilise it. Pakistan knew that India was invincible in long term wars. Blasts were there in India since the 60's perpetuated pakistan backed outfits like SIMI. Your knowledge of things only is getting back to as far as 1991 ..mr.muslim under the name Ganesh.
