India has all the nuclear technology , it needs What India needs and what do not have much of is raw nuclear fuel. I do not see the big advantage for India to "buy" this fuel from NSG . OR "buy" Oil from open market also something they import 70% . Either way India remains dependent on energy from other countries or is not energy independent. Energy independence is what this current govt. was selling the deal as to people. When it will not make them energy independent. Why should they "cap" and "roll back" when they are old and expire (provided they usable now which i doubt and need further testing) the weapons. When China is a growing threat that US , UK , Russia etc are ALL improving their current huge stock piles . There is nothing in the deal for India besides a atta boy, a pat on the back from the west . Only Fools will go for this . If they value special relationship so much let the lift all scantions without any deal.
The Ratan Tata, the most respected businessman of India said today that only Pakistan and China can be happy with failure of India to get through this nuclear deal.
RE:Check what Ratan Tata said today
by jimmy on Aug 25, 2007 08:45 PM Permalink
Dude if he said that than he is thinking in his own terms. Tatas , Birlas, Bajaj made a lot of money in absense of Foreign competition. Now all have fears that with the sucess of 123 Indian market will be flooded with american and japanese companese creating a very tough competition for Indian lazy asses.
RE:Check what Ratan Tata said today
by Radhakrishna Iyer on Aug 26, 2007 08:15 AM Permalink
So Jimmy dude - why is the industrialist thinking of his own terms looking forward to very tough competition???
Yes Priminister has signed an agreement...a shit of an agreement..no sensible politician will go by the words of America.
This Prime MInister has many credits to his account...
1. He found that Indians got education from the British. Prior to that Indians do not know any education...give him a doctorate he will say anything.
2. He tries to stop nuclear tests quoting economic reasons and was barred from attending strategic meetings in Narasimharao Govt. (Hope he is not a mole of USA)
3. Till today he has no solution or model to ease the hardships of rural India. All his experiments miserably failed.
Now he wants to help the American business interests for nuclear reactors. Going by his idea one day we will have all nuclear reactors and fuel from America and lot of energy. Great !!!
Suddenly for some reason Americans stop supply of nuclear fuel on some pretext or other the whole country will be dark. We just will have to listen to anything that Americans say.
This fellow Manmohan doesnt understand what is Strategic thinking. Following west is all known to him. He has been in the Economic ministry for all most a decade. How much improvement in poverty ridden rural India? Nothing.
It is correct to oppose nuclear deal.
Who knows next time we may have Italian energy too!!!
RE:Shame in Indian Politicians ... Spineless fellows
by Radhakrishna Iyer on Aug 26, 2007 08:28 AM Permalink
So if we at 50% energy today climb to 80 - 90% with the nuclear deal and if at that stage US of A decides to stop nuclear fuel supplies .... will we be back to 50% or maybe 60% allowing for power development in other sectors or Zilch as you imply that the 'country will be dark'.
Quite a logical Indian you are aren't you??
Your other loose statements are not worthy of comments anyway.
RE:Shame in Indian Politicians ... Spineless fellows
by Radhakrishna Iyer on Aug 26, 2007 08:31 AM Permalink
So if we at 50% energy today climb to 80 - 90% with the nuclear deal and if at that stage US of A decides to stop nuclear fuel supplies .... will we be back to 50% or maybe 60% allowing for power development in other sectors or Zilch as you imply that the 'country will be dark'.
Quite a logical Indian you are aren't you??
Your other loose statements are not worthy of comments anyway.
RE:Shame in Indian Politicians ... Spineless fellows
by Radhakrishna Iyer on Aug 26, 2007 08:27 AM Permalink
So if we at 50% energy today climb to 80% - 90% with the nuclear deal and if at that stage US of A decides to stop nuclear fuel supplies .... will we be back to 50% or maybe 60% allowing for power development in other sectors or Zilch as you imply that the 'country will be dark'.
Quite a logical Indian you are aren't you??
Your other statements are not worthy of comments anyway.
RE:Shame in Indian Politicians ... Spineless fellows
by Radhakrishna Iyer on Aug 26, 2007 08:29 AM Permalink
So if we at 50% energy today climb to 80 - 90% with the nuclear deal and if at that stage US of A decides to stop nuclear fuel supplies .... will we be back to 50% or maybe 60% allowing for power development in other sectors or Zilch as you imply that the 'country will be dark'.
Quite a logical Indian you are aren't you??
Your other loose statements are not worthy of comments anyway!
RE:Shame in Indian Politicians ... Spineless fellows
by Radhakrishna Iyer on Aug 26, 2007 08:32 AM Permalink
So if we at 50% energy today climb to 80 - 90% with the nuclear deal and if at that stage US of A decides to stop nuclear fuel supplies .... will we be back to 50% or maybe 60% allowing for power development in other sectors or Zilch as you imply that the 'country will be dark'.
Quite a logical Indian you are aren't you??
Your other loose statements are not worthy of comments anyway.
RE:Shame in Indian Politicians ... Spineless fellows
by joseph mampilly on Jul 14, 2008 02:07 PM Permalink
when people like Abdul Kalam says that it is technical victory for India to go ahead with the nuclear deal on the one hand, and on the other hand, politicians like Karat with their body in India and the heart with China, Blubbering gibberish trying to convince you that they oppose the deal on the ground that they did not know about it, even though the processes and talks were going on the nuke deal for more than two years. You are right! SHAMELESS!
A lot has been written about the details of the agreement. Very few have written about the actual size and impact of this decision. Reports and articles estimate that the agreement will address only 3% of our energy requirements. If that was correct, then aren't we all spending too much time on a trivial aspect of our need? Our power needs are so high, we should rather be looking at technologies which utilize coal as an important ingredient. I understand from the articles elswehere that if we invest a sizeable amount, coal can produce more than 3% of our energy requirements. This is literally a C category item to address. In today's world of globalization I do not think funding and collaborations are difficult. Similarly harnessing wind and solar energy are other avenues to look for. I wish educated experts share views on these aspects.
As a normal indian citizen , i would like to mention in one , that cpi and cpi(m) should not be conceded to other wise India would go onlines what Kolkata is today. The kolkatians are great but their mentality , whole states mentality i mean has gone the cpi and cpi(m) ways . They dont love development at all. They are just a bunch of old fellows who should be forcibly given retirement from poloitics , coz at this age and with such kind of mentality , i am sure many will agree these people will hamper the growth of the country. It was the worst mistake of congress of comming to power with cpi and cpi(m. I am not concerned with what marxism and communism does to other countries , i am sue it does no good , but for MY COUNTRY MARXISM AND COMMUNISM IS BAD AND SO ARE MARXIST AND COMMUNIST , who love to hamper the growth. If the prime minister of India has signed an agreement then it is is the job of all parliamnentarians to see and make sure that the word of india and the prime minister of the country is kept and valued at all stages , instead in our country we see opposition(not opposition party ) like CPI and CPI(m) making a mokery of the whole issue and the country keeping a country integrity at stake . we are not in a poistion to hold fresh elections , india is poised at a very interesting point in the growth graph , worldwide , REQUEST TO ALL THE POLITICIANS NOT TO DESTABILISE THE GROWTH.
RE:CPI and CPI(M)
by on Aug 25, 2007 06:13 PM Permalink
Whats ism it is - nuclear deal is not good for India...Show me one country in this world which trusted America and benefited from it.
RE:RE:CPI and CPI(M)
by jimmy on Aug 25, 2007 08:48 PM Permalink
China got a lot of benefits from 123, which was signed in 1985. Just type Shangai skyline in google and you'll get the answer. The probelm is that previously US always tried to help Islamic nations and everybody knows that how these nations function.
RE:CPI and CPI(M)
by jagan on Aug 25, 2007 03:36 PM Permalink
Communism is a philosophy of 19th century. Why waste time on that? But we must have to be focused on issues people or partied raises. Objectively we have to analyze those and have to find a solution. If needed we have to learn, study or research on the issue objectively. Do not discriminate people based on any thing. Be focused on the issue rather than who told that.
RE:CPI and CPI(M)
by pankaj chaturvedi on Aug 25, 2007 03:42 PM Permalink
check your facts before writing. maharastra and gujarat may have their problems but they are far far ahead then bengal. these communists are nothing but the puppets of their godfather china which instruct them on what issue to be agreed and on what issue to oppose. these idiots are never concerned with the problem of our country.
RE:CPI and CPI(M)
by Pritmohinder Singh on Aug 25, 2007 03:37 PM Permalink
It is only because of you people that India is lacking in all the facilities. You people take almost free education from India & in return left for better lives in west & give your education returns to west. Still India is poised for growth & we educated Indians will make sure that people like you will feel embarrased to heve left such a progressing country.
RE:RE:CPI and CPI(M)
by Tim on Aug 26, 2007 04:24 AM Permalink
Free Education, my A55. Do you know what is free education? Come check the US. We dont have to spend one single dollar for kids from the Kindergarten till they go to college.
What free education are you talking about? TO get a kid enrolled in the Kindergarten you have to bribe. Dont talk through your A55. We have seen everything in India and got frustated and left.
Do you know that every day we spend at least 30 minutes trying to find some good points back home so that we could return?
We have gone out because we do not want our kids to face the same problem as we did. May be you are young, unmarried or dont have kids. When you have then and then come to the west and live for a few years then you will understand what we are going through.
RE:RE:CPI and CPI(M)
by Tim on Aug 26, 2007 04:16 AM Permalink
Better lives right? So why do you agree that the quality of lives of the Indian is less than that of other countries? Why? We are all Humans? Right? Why is that only people in the West should have a basic sense of humanity and not Indians?
How many countries in the West can U name where thousands and thousands of people are literally bought for any celebration? The chief minister of a state had to be bribed to open a small flyover which was built after 5 years. What development are we taking about?
Tell me one development apart from the support jobs that had come to the country in IT?
Can U tell me how easy it is to even get a water line to a new house you are constructing( Forget if we get water in it or not). Tell me one city where there are no problem when it rains? Tell me one city where there is a proper drainage system?
Tell me one city where the people need not bribe for basic necessities. Yes there is corruption in the west too, but not for the basic necessities of a person.
If you have not visited the west I strongly urge you to at least take a short break and visit them and learn some basic principles and courtesy from them.
Do not criticize others when your own house is full of filth.
We Indians living outside the country are more patriotic to India than the people living inside.
RE:CPI and CPI(M)
by on Aug 25, 2007 06:03 PM Permalink
Yes Priminister has signed an agreement...a shit of an agreement..no sensible politician will go by the words of America.
This Prime MInister has many credits to his account...
1. He found that Indians got education from the British. Prior to that Indians do not know any education...give him a doctorate he will say anything.
2. He tries to stop nuclear tests quoting economic reasons and was barred from attending strategic meetings in Narasimharao Govt. (Hope he is not a mole of USA)
3. Till today he has no solution or model to ease the hardships of rural India. All his experiments miserably failed.
Now he wants to help the American business interests for nuclear reactors. Going by his idea one day we will have all nuclear reactors and fuel from America and lot of energy. Great !!!
Suddenly for some reason Americans stop supply of nuclear fuel on some pretext or other the whole country will be dark. We just will have to listen to anything that Americans say.
This fellow Manmohan doesnt understand what is Strategic thinking. Following west is all known to him. He has been in the Economic ministry for all most a decade. How much improvement in poverty ridden rural India? Nothing.
It is correct to oppose nuclear deal.
Who knows next time we may have Italian energy too!!!
Very true...the left had 2 years and they did not act, under the ( mis)understanding that the Us would not budge. Even the BJP is acting in a very destructive an immature manner , because it is very clearly stated in Jaswant Singh's " A Call to Honour" the current agreement is a add on to the NSSP started by the BJP led NDA government.
Its high time all the political parties in India ( including the UPA parties) grow up and act in India's interest, putting their selfish interests behind!!!
RE:Destructive Opposition- Internal ( LEFT) as well as External ( Read BJP)
by george on Aug 25, 2007 02:51 PM Permalink
Read the nuclear deal and the hyde act.The complete text of both the agreements are available here. www.xrl.us/4jp8
