I think Left is making a big mistake. they should have the guts to come clear.
If I were Left I would have said: YES, I AM SUPPORTING CHINA OVER USA. SO WHAT?
If I have one cent of morality left, why would I side with a country directly responsible for the biggest massacre of the decade in Iraq?
One might argue: China invaded us. True.. But, going by the same logic Japan should never side with the US.
One may also argue: that US is pumping money and making us prosperous. Without getting into debate over prosperity, if prosperity over morality holds ground, why not work for Dawood Ibrahim? He will pay more than US IT companies.
RE:Supporting China
by Patriot on Aug 23, 2007 03:04 AM Permalink
Wow, interesting conclusion...so by your standards, we fought with china and pakistan...so should we or should not befriend them?
U idoit, US is not giving us the money, they are giving us (the unemployeed grads of the past) jobs...do U what the unemloyment rate was in 90's... and majority of the jobs are service related and that to for USA customers... what did China give us? and your friend pakistan...differentiate yourself from a street side beggar in terms of thinking...god gave U brain, use it occassionally
RE:Supporting China
by dip dutt on Aug 23, 2007 12:24 PM Permalink
Patriot-you are not worthy of any debate.. If US gives you employment, by your own admission, India will never be a Superpower on its own. Even the hookers in the red light district of Bangkok thrive on US money, because most of the clients are Western.. Is Thailand a Superpower? I do not know about you, but I have the fortune of traveling to different countries. And yes, on US money, because the US Corporation that I work for needs me. The way China has progresed is phenomenal, and on its own terms..Even when USSR was there, China was at loggerheads with USSR and thrived on its own.
And finally, as I said if prosperity is in question, we should not have got independence in the first place. Most Indians would agree that we were far better-off under the British rule-better roads, better healthcare, better education.. Then why celebrate Independence Day in the first place? Adore the Queen of United Kingdom.
RE:Supporting China
by Ramil Mukherjee on Aug 23, 2007 10:07 AM Permalink
My compliments Mr. Patriot for undeterredly BRKING IN SUPPORT OF YOUR MASTER - atleast you faithfully admit where the shoe pinches!
Thank God India has only less than 2% clever fellows like you who got a job in USA or a job in american backed co. in India.
Live your life - I gurantee you, with people like you around, India will not free itself from the clutch of American Click at least not in your lifetime.So , why scared!?
RE:Supporting China
by on Aug 23, 2007 03:02 PM Permalink
RE:supporting china by shantanu sanyal india in the crutch of america? astounding statement from ramila who is a communist with the herd mentality.........india was in crutch of the soviet union for decades. kgb spies roamed all over delhi. dont remeber any comminist shouting murder then. hatred for america shldnt translate in love for islmaic nations or worse china a nation that has grown on the murder of her citizens by the state......n in refernce to false freedom....ramil will do well to knw if he or she was a chinese national he or she wldnt be sitting n panning her views like she or he has n not expect a knock at midnite.
today west bengal is more capitalist than even gujarat......communism failed misreably in this state .no dont believe me..listen to the cm intreviews
If I were Left I would have said: YES, I AM SUPPORTING CHINA OVER LEFT. SO WHAT?
If I have one cent of morality left, why would I side with a country directly responsible for the biggest massacre of the decade in Iraq?
One might argue: China invaded us. True.. But, going by the same logic Japan should never side with the US.
One may also argue: that US is pumping money and making us prosperous. Without getting into debate over prosperity, if prosperity over morality holds ground, why not work for Dawood Ibrahim? He will pay more than US IT companies.
RE:Supporting China
by Nandagopal KCS on Aug 22, 2007 11:24 PM Permalink
Going by same Logic, How about supporting Pakistan, Supporting Dawood Ibrahim. Friend of Commies Abdul Naser Madhani.
That's what commies are known for.
Then what is left out of you. NOthing - You will be a 100 % traitor.
RE:Supporting China
by vikas dahiya on Aug 23, 2007 03:01 PM Permalink
Ok Mr. Dutt, U support China.. Though this statement in itself enough to announce you a criminal of the country, but before that, some logics should be given to you. 1) In today%u2019s time, if anybody can threat America, that%u2019s china. Do you know why? Not because china has ultramodern weapons or not because they are as good in technology as USA. But it%u2019s because 99% goods, which are sold in America, are made in china. They have given so many jobs to china and put so much of their money in china that they can't risk to attack china even if china bark on its master (as they always do). Otherwise, USA economy will be destroyed. So, chine is just next to superpower, not because they have something special, but because American economy depends upon china. Now, America wants to end this dependency on china by putting its money in India. But there are few headless chickens that still thought China is batter then US. 2) You know how many peoples were killed in Indo-China war? Go to wikipedia and try to find some facts. US has never killed any Indian in any war.. Do they? I for Iraq and I for India doesn't mean that if America attacked on Iraq means America attacked on India. Still you back china? Not a surprise because for you, India might just be a country. 3) Let me tell you, in current time wars are not any more matter of ammunition, but its a matter of economy. If we'll get the power, we can increase production and work efficiency in the country and can sound our economy.
RE:the advocates for left's stand
by Ramil Mukherjee on Aug 22, 2007 06:26 PM Permalink
Speak logic if you have any. Such stray statements only express you uneducated rustic profile.
Mr. Sen thinks he has crossed the limits of decorum and pleaded unreserved appology!
And now the barking urchins trying to put feet into his erratic shoes?!
RE:the advocates for left's stand
by Nandagopal KCS on Aug 22, 2007 11:26 PM Permalink
I have been following Sahadevan. He is is pure Tamil evangelist working on commission from his evangelist masters abroad.
The way commies has loyalty to China, he has multiple loyalites with his american and european masters.
RE:RE:Indo-US N-Deal
by vikas dahiya on Aug 22, 2007 04:13 PM Permalink
Left only know one thing....How to oppose anything which is in INDIA's intrest and how to support anything which is in CHINA's favor....
RE:Indo-US N-Deal
by DEV ASHISH on Aug 22, 2007 03:52 PM Permalink
ha ha ! big joke Sahadevan.....u keep on making such foolish remarks....left is ur real god.....go to them.
RE:Indo-US N-Deal
by Arup Chanda on Aug 22, 2007 04:00 PM Permalink
Dear Mr. Mukherjee, I think you not noticed the basic fallacy in Kaushik Bhattacharjee's logic. He is basically ignorant of any political understanding and unaware of world or even Indian history. He should be ashamed to be a Bengali. Must be on the CIA's payroll as they only recruit such blokes!
RE:RE:Indo-US N-Deal
by vikas dahiya on Aug 22, 2007 04:22 PM Permalink
Mr. Arup Chanda, Why Mr. Kaushik Bhattacharjee's should be ashamed to be a Bangali??? Because he is supporting policies which are in favor of India and against china's intrest! It seems as if u r ashamed to be an Indian who is talking like this.
RE:Indo-US N-Deal
by Ramil Mukherjee on Aug 22, 2007 06:19 PM Permalink
"India will not conduct any nuclear Research except for electricity and few other civil uses". "No Indian Indrustialist will receive any contract in this project"
How these terms of the deal will stand contra to China's interest?!
Kindly Explain!?
For your information present China does not upheld hard core communism. Neither hard core communists turns to China for guide lines.
You are all suffering from indoctrinated national chauvinism which pulled Hitler's Germany to humiliation - are you trying to push us towards that humiliation dear wisecars?
Lastly why carrying brief for Mr. Bhattachaya/ He has been asked to reply an inquiry - can't he answer it himself?
RE:Indo-US N-Deal
by vikas dahiya on Aug 23, 2007 11:33 AM Permalink
Well Mr. Mukherjee, We have conducted the nuclear test two times in the history of independent India or even in the history of India (I am not sure about ancient India). At both time, it was your leftists who shout more then any body else and oppose these tests. They always say that we are against the test and Indian governments are doing wrong in conducting these tests. Now, do they have any ethics? Now what happens that they are so much worried about India for not being able to perform nuclear tests? 2nd thing, if you apply your own mind instead of just listening left leaders on the points you have mention, there is no boundation on performing tests. Let me tell you that we are not signing CTBT. US just say that if test will be performed, he has right to cancel the deal. He just has right, he can do it or can leave it. And I don%u2019t see any problem in that. If I%u2019ll give you some privilege, I can ask you not to do a thing or two. But when you feel you can%u2019t survive without doing those things, you are always free to do whatever you want. Whenever we feel that national interests are in conducting a test then to keep the deal, we can perform the tests. Now let%u2019s talk about china. As you said they does not upheld hard-core communism. You are right, because chinies leaders understand that hard-core communism is not good for the growth of their country. But the problem is that our leftists don%u2019t have to take any thing to these things or to this country.
RE:Indo-US N-Deal
by DEV ASHISH on Aug 22, 2007 04:10 PM Permalink
As if Mr Chanda is a renound historian! Kaushik is just restating the fact stated by many on rediff. In any case this is obvious from the left and BJPs move. U dont need to be congress supporter to support the N-deal.
RE:RE:Indo-US N-Deal
by Ramil Mukherjee on Aug 22, 2007 03:20 PM Permalink
Mr. Kaushik, do you support the deal with the term that 'not a penny of the 15000 crores of business would go to indian Capitlists'?
And with the term 'Indian Science will refrain from all Nuclear Research that may result in no further purchase of Nuclear Fuel from USA'?
If yes then you are definitely in the bracket with UPA and USA. If not then you are in the bracket with them whom you sneer!
we know sonia and singh have dubious background...still we cannt argue/ reason out their ouster nor can we keep them out of things that matter to the nation...perfect exmaple of vested interests penetrating corridors of power...and Indians fall for emotional black-mailing...
