Dear all, Have anyone heard about a Indian communist leader opposing the claim of China over Arunanchal Pradesh? If so please inform his name. I am going to work as a labor to his house for rest of my life.
RE:Please inform me
by Amrit Singh on Aug 20, 2007 10:36 PM Permalink
No I havent heard. Did anybody hear then Congress govt criticising Chinese uncalled for annexation of Tibet And thus having a border at the Ladakh. Oh! Congress was writing Pancheel with the chinese and welcoming the Chinese that time. Such was the Statesmanship of Nehru that he did not think of Chinese aggressive plans and let chinese take so much of Indian territory. And one more thing, No Indian govt minister in the parliament categorically said tht Arunachal Pradesh is an integral part of India when they were called to do so by the opposition. They have even stopped calling Kashmir an inseperabale part of India. Ya! now they know that pakistan is doing its best to stop anti-Indian activities. Right. Thats why they formed a joint anti-terror group with them Can anybod tell me what positive has come out of this anti-terror joint group.
I think we should not do left bashing so much. What they are saying is part of their philosophy. They might be sympathetic towards China but they can never act against the India State. Remember it was india which for many decades had unfriendly relations with america atleast from political point of view. Very few people know that India was offered a permanent UNSC seat by americans in 50s to which Nehru did not agree. India since 1970 agreement of friendship with Soviet union was more inclined towards it and some how was under its shadow. Being a NAM country it should have crisiticised the soviet war in Afghansitan which it didnt. India participated in 1980 olympics which was boycotted by many nations in the world. Who ever is talking about the coalition between India Australia Japan and US should remember that this will only creat a more hostile China towards us and Japan. And i dont think so we want to be a part of any alliance. The Russians are equally excelled in the Nuclear technology and we can have a pact with them. It will not undermine the independence of Indian foreign policy which it might in this deal. Russia is not a super power now and it cannot create the effect on our policies as it used to. When the deal was in negotiations there were indications from americans that we should be with them in case of Iran and it may affect the deal. Anyway coming back to left, its just there ideology they are following. PM should have understood this thing before bluffing.
RE:Have a more rational look
by Niranjan Limaye on Aug 20, 2007 10:27 PM Permalink
All you said well, is a history. This is like we should not talk because our gr8 gr8 grand dads had a big fight and my gr8 gr8 grand dad shared rapo with not - so - good friend of your gr8 gr8 grand dad. Please no offence but watch some hindi movies you will find solution to this problem.
You and communist share same problem. You warm and hatch books and ideologies. But life and reality is beyond theory , hence start living in real world.
RE:Have a more rational look
by Amrit Singh on Aug 20, 2007 10:49 PM Permalink
Ok let me come straight. I am not a communist. Neither I am too keen on Congress. Y do u think we should have a deal which does not enjoy majority support in Lok Sabha. Leave pros and cons. and let me tell you. History is a very important subject. It has given the shape to this modern foreign policy( remember just a few lines here and there BJP wanted to change of history, which created such a furore). America has betrayed pakistan many times. Why cant it do to india. Americans pressurised us to vote against Iran. As a soverign nations Iran has full right to develop nuclear technology and weapons as we have. So there is no rationale for Indians to oppose Iranians except that it will anger the chinese. Only god knows what is in future. I want a good future. You it cannot be without this deal, I think it can be. But rite now we should not go back on this deal no matter how bad or good it is. Becasue it will damage India's international reputation. Left has an ideology. People of India know that. They have voted for them. Given them enough strength to influence the govt. So they are doing that. Its just that if Congress had thought of this and took left into confy alongside working on the deal, there would not have been this much mess. And the PM saying that the left can withdraw support. So y is everybody worried if left withdraws the support
RE:Have a more rational look
by Manu on Aug 20, 2007 10:28 PM Permalink
Dear Singh, Nation should come first before religion or ideology. Recently China denied a visa to an IAS from Arunanchal Pradesh claiming that It is an integral part of china. The trip of 100 officers had to be cancelled. I have not heard a word from these India loving communist agaist that.
Generation represented by gr8 indian communists leader is either enjoying cheerz in heaven. They neither represent their generation nor ours. Common sense (which is not common) was always been a surprise surprise in left parties. Deal may not be fair n lovely but all this saas-bahu tamasha could have been handled more maturely behind the UPA tables. "Mediazing" , this gr8 Indian laughter challenge series 5, we are sending wrong signals to America and to the world. Regarding BJP, they are playing politics of subtraction than multiplication. In such sensitive affair, all parties should stand behind government. But unfortunately our as per gr8 Indian traitor history, there are caucus and conspiracies to bring down government. Shame on you leaders. You are kidding around when country need you most.
I do not understand one thing from Left when it opposed in 1999 for the Nuke test conducted by Vajyapee. They oppose then for a test conducted and now want to oppose a deal that it claims will stop from testing. I do not know why even BJP and other uselees UNPA are opposing the deal. If these Political IDIOTS oppose and impose election on a common man who is not bothered about these things and suffering from power breakdowns and with political morans like these folks will continue to suffer further. In the past 60 years Congress has some decent step for the development for the country and other parties do not want to support them.. Living with Left/communism will never help us grow and if Left does some stupid things now,the people atlease should teach some lessons to eradicate Left entirely from the political space
RE:Hypocrats and Opportunits
by Mohan Vylal on Aug 20, 2007 10:44 PM Permalink
I think that you are blind congress supporter. During these 60 years most of the time the congress was in power and spoiled the country. If you do not like BJP or the left parties it is your prejudised assessment of the other party.If Vajpayee has done Nuke test it is done for the country to show the power of our country and we achieved some position in the world. Now you are blaming BJP and left who oppose the present nuke deal.When the left parties supported to elect the president and Vice president of India according to the choice of Conbgress party controled by sonia Gandhi, it is the duty of congress party to listen and act upon on many issues with their main allies. The present UPA Govt is filled with many criminals and tainted ministers. The Price hike in essential commodity cannot be forgoten by indian Citizen. How the DMK is able to get what they want. How many supporters including his daughter became the MP in the present UPA set up.
There are contrary statements from MMS and US regarding the deal. The basic point is we can't go for nuclear tests in future though we have a provision. Because doing so nullifies the deal and the nuclear reactors and the money invested in them goes waste. So to save that India can't go for nuclear tests. Now is that acceptable to a nation which is having threat from Pakistan and China. Let US declare Pakistan as Terrorist State, then we can think over such deals.
But what is been pointed out by the Left has to be answered by Congress, after all they are in a live-in relationship.
Just a question, when are Lefties going to learn constructive criticism? Answer: Never. It's a party of errors and apologies.In every national affair, lefts have apologized to the country for their stand. Wont surprise they repeat their trend in future for this decision as well. They say "At the age of 25, if you aint communist you dont have heart, at the age of 50 you are still communist, you dont have head".
Surprise to see how come these book-worms continue to be on parliament every-time and consistently take anti-progressive decision (for their states : West or waste(d by communist) Bengal and Kerala.
3 cheerz for Lefties, hip hip hurray.
Iterating what gr8 Karl Marx said "Thank god, I am not Marxist". Thank god India is not marxist.
RE:Left Right Left Right.. baaye mud.....!!
by Sujeet Kumar on Aug 20, 2007 10:00 PM Permalink
All you said is realy true.However,on this issue, they are quite reasonable.I hope you also wont like to sit under US testis to enjoy nuclear energy.Their history says that they will oblige you with conditions and put rod in your ass if you dont tow their line.So be ready to follow their every direction if the deal comes through as it is.
RE:Left Right Left Right.. baaye mud.....!!
by Niranjan Limaye on Aug 20, 2007 10:15 PM Permalink
I also asked one more question, when are lefties going to learn constructive criticism, Answer: never. Nuclear deal is the need of the future (of both countries). Now "Hyde Act" is a rule passed by US govt (and not UN.) If they are ready to break it, why worms are tickling in lefties ass? US is breaking the laws made by their parliament, come forward to tie-up with India. Because they want to have progressive strategic alliance in subcontinent. Indian infrastructure is big time and royally screwed by politicians and she needs back-up of developed country to sustain its global growth. Its a mutual tie up. Fair deal (may not be lovely or handsome.)
Yes, we should all understand the compulsion of the Left. They are mental slaves of Chairman Mao and hence they cannot support any decision which displeases the Chinese, who are in illegal occupation of a part of our country. You see, the Left are the real patriots. They supported the colonial rulers at the height of the Quit India Movement in 1942 and opposed the Chinese war in 1962 and recently fought tooth and nail to get approval for 1000 Chinese Engineers to be brought in to the country when millions of unemployed engineering graduates languish here. How can anyone question their loyalty to the country? Anyone who says so is an American and CIA Agent. Red Salute to the Comrades of the Left!
RE:Left and the deal
by AC Nair on Aug 20, 2007 10:05 PM Permalink
To help China, the Left parties want to Kill Indian Software Industry by brining trade unions in Software Industry.
Left are working for China-Pakistan as they are jealous of India becoming super power in Asia region. Left wants India to remain poor, undeveloped country. China is secretly providing Nuclear assistance to Pakistan. CBI should conduct inquiry into mass welath garnered by Mr. Yechury, Mr. Karat, Mr. Achutan and their family members. contemplaring Nuclear agreement ike Kerala and West Bengal.
RE:RE:Left - Antinationals
by v suresh on Aug 20, 2007 10:36 PM Permalink
I very much like and agree with this opinion but as u know wthat is international politics mater is also conciderable why us.providing this liberty basically i think every body always centers on his self interest.Nothin worry for that but we should understand that.So if in that craiteria concept is ok than its ok.but decision should be very much matured because matter is very much serious relates with entire peoplles future of contry.so it is ok if
RE:Left - Antinationals
by Mikkey Moouse on Aug 20, 2007 09:57 PM Permalink
CORRECT, CHINA HAS WANGLED MOST FAVORED NATION TRADING STATUS WITH USA & EUROPE BUT WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE REPUBLIC OF INDIA WITH BAD RELATIONS WITH AMERICA & EUROPE SO THAT THE ECONOMY WILL BE SEVERLY DAMAGED.
