What matters is what is signed on in the agreement and not sweet nothings between the leaders. No one seems to have read the agreement and just making statements with no basis. To understand the fine print, everyone should read the Arun Shourie's article in Indian Express. http://www.indianexpress.com/story/210846.html
RE:What Dr Singh told Bush on N-deal
by proudind on Aug 17, 2007 10:40 PM Permalink
You mean opposition ideas? Then nothing can be done in this country.
RE:What Dr Singh told Bush on N-deal
by ricky on Aug 17, 2007 10:45 PM Permalink
One should not dismiss an argument just b'coz it comes from opposition. Arun Shourie is very respectable analyst. Read it first and then make up your mind.
RE:What Dr Singh told Bush on N-deal
by Abhay T on Aug 17, 2007 10:54 PM Permalink
Ricky, to understand the agreement read the original agreement rather than Arun Shourie's article.
In 1991 everybody blamed for open economy. Now we all now the result of it. Even when Rajiv encouraged computer education in India in 85, Communists were after his blood. They had bank strike, all India strike and so on. Now they say they could not understand the impact of computer. Let Dr. Singh go ahead with N-deal. He is a visioneer. After a decade we all able to sing the same song.
RE:We have to be far sighted
by sumani on Aug 17, 2007 10:36 PM Permalink
I do not know if Dr. Singh is visionary. India implemented reform in 1991 because of IMF pressure. People may have forgotten that at that time India only had foreign currency reserve to support three weeks worth of import. India had to do implement changes for IMF fund to flow in.
Problem with the 123 deal is not that it is bad for India. There are experts on both sides of the argument who have made compelling arguments. The problem is Dr. Singh has not been forthright. He makes some statement only for spokesman in Washington refute it. This has turned into a threat to Indian democracy because it looks like government can sign and approve treaties even if a majority of in the parliament opposes it.
RE:We have to be far sighted
by MANMADA GURU on Aug 17, 2007 10:52 PM Permalink
India fan, you a true India fan, truly thinking of India, people got lost thinking of burgers and pizzas.
PM hasn't signed anything that says India can't do nuclear tests. It is only the current cirucmstances that India won't be able to conduct such tests in near future, whether 123 agreement is there or not. Once India's economy gains further strength, India is likely to be able to absorb any diplomatic/economic backlash if it needs to do such tests in future. India has not committed anything about nuclear tests by ANY TREATY. So, it still remains India's RIGHT. US's relationship with India can't be compared with Bin Laden and Iraq. India has far better reputation and the foreign policy is mainly driven by economy rather than some external affairs. If US wants to take some action against India for nuclear tests they will do it irrespective of whether 123 agreement is there or not.
The real problem for Left Parties is not the nuclear deal. Their problem is once US relations grows stronger, their principles will become more and more irrelevant. Just try to understand the international and at the same time internal politics.
RE:Left parties are worried about their future rather than nuclear deal
by BHASKARAN GANESHAN on Aug 17, 2007 10:32 PM Permalink
It could be true, but, pal never trust american to do a favour to you, cos they like you, they have a deeper understanding of their ideas and execution. We are not jews or Israelis or Europeans, but at the same time the left thrives on issues weather good or bad.
RE:Left parties are worried about their future rather than nuclear deal
by Abhay T on Aug 17, 2007 10:39 PM Permalink
That's true between any two countries. Take for an example Britain and France relations. Its like a business. Nobody does a favour. Everyone looks for their own interest. Like a business, every conutry has to work out their own priorities.
RE:Left parties are worried about their future rather than nuclear deal
by MANMADA GURU on Aug 17, 2007 10:47 PM Permalink
It differs. France and England are not like India and Pak, they are Europeans and have a common currency, they are business like no doubt, but they have no outstanding issues that could trouble their relationships or movement from this country to the other. Another thing, Americans treat us differently than a Eurpoean country or an Israel, Americans are not aware of the depth of India's nuclear capabilities, but will eventually size up things and make us toe their line..
RE:Left parties are worried about their future rather than nuclear deal
by Abhay T on Aug 17, 2007 10:59 PM Permalink
Read the history first. They had fought several wars. Its only a matter of time when India and Pakistan relations won't be that bad. I don't know how long, but may be 50 or 200 years and our relationship will be much friendlier with Pakistan. In internation relations, "CURRENT" position matters more than anything else.
RE:What Dr Singh told Bush on N-deal =>
by MANMADA GURU on Aug 17, 2007 10:49 PM Permalink
Worth going at it!!!!! so he thought? By the way he likes Italian pizzas.
Why do we need to do more nuke tests? Especially why do we need to do more nuke test only if neighbours do it? I don't understand the logic behind the second statement
RE:Tell me
by MANMADA GURU on Aug 17, 2007 10:37 PM Permalink
Right, but as sovereign state with the kind of pride we have we cannot let someone dictate terms to us. Yes, we can reach to an agreement that we will not test nukes with the fuel supplied by Americans or Austrailans, but cannot accept a ban imposed by someone, although we might at our will abstain from testing.
It is interesting to note that....USA always talk about the PAkistan as closest allies in War against Terror. But it seems lot of background activity was on by indo US diplomats otherwise this deal would not have materialised
RE:Funny
by MANMADA GURU on Aug 17, 2007 10:40 PM Permalink
Friend it is just that somebody thinks big, doesn't become big. It was just an idea of one of the members of the two parties and are trying their best to tell the world that this one is greatest idea of the century.
RE:RE:Beat about the Bush
by Peace on Aug 17, 2007 10:27 PM Permalink
Nope.. this is not appropriate... Mr MMS is congressi first than Sikh or indian....
RE:RE:Beat about the Bush
by Shriniwas Deshpande on Aug 17, 2007 10:24 PM Permalink
We were beggers since the independence. It is now that We are having DEAL and not begging
