the jihadis use girl and women to lure security men and then thrash them,or kill them this has happened many times in kashmir.
maybe this woman is also a jihadi.
bcoz in front of so many people no security guy will mis behave.
let the thing be investigated.
let us not condemn the guy so easily.
remember the jihadis r the enemy of secularism and democracy,they want nizam ei mustafa in kashmir and later on in india,ie shariat based rule in india and the world.
RE:this cud be a jihadi ploy to demoralise security forces
by MeyyappanSPAL on Aug 17, 2007 07:54 PM Permalink
a valid point to consider. usually uniformed men such as the NSG are highly trained and well behaved. A plan could have been in action so as to remove the sky marshall and in his absence to hijack the flight in which the CM of Kashmir was flying and thus repeat another Khandar flight drama.
When the lady refused to obey instructions the best way for Marshall was to inform the pilot and then in presence of Pilot and chief minister the Marshall should have instructed lady and still if she does not listen then Marshall can touch her and put her behind bar. Poor chap did not understood this!!
RE:Congress want to demoralise Indian army...
by Analyst on Aug 17, 2007 07:06 PM Permalink
Farooq Abdullah, Omar, Mufti and Ghulam Nabi are all terrorist aids. They try to take every opportunity now to show that they are against terrorism.
I think its really ridiculus,How can a person dare to do such a act in front of that many passenger.Its totally out of thinking.Mans are not always wrong.
RE:RE:Ridiculus
by Kumar Kalyan on Aug 17, 2007 07:12 PM Permalink
You said correctly, but this is INDIA Man and our Politician can do any thing Specialy Congress man.
RE:RE:RE:Ridiculus
by issac joseph on Aug 17, 2007 07:36 PM Permalink
Really it is just showing off. It is impossible for a man to fondle a lady infront of so much people in a narrow way. Investigation has to be done to find out the backgrond of the lady.In such situation it is a fashion for the men around to rally behind the lady in question, to show symptathy and get her favour
I was on the same flight and the reality is as follows:
This lady was not following the proper directions like putting the seat belt on infact she was standing in the passage and trying to open her cabin bag to get some thing out. Even though the pilot had asked everyone to sit down and put the seat belts on as the plane was about to takoff. The marshall ordered her to sit down immediately in very strict voice (clearly he was apprehensive about the possibility of the lady being a terrorist) She ignored him and continued to search her bag. The sky marshal pushed her on her seat (He touched her shoulders only) I am eyewitness to it. She fell down on her seat and the seat next to her were vacant and the marshal as a precautionary measure took a seat away from her but in such a way that he could still observe her. Suddenly she started shouting. and the pilot took the plane back to bay area.
I am eyewitness to whole episode and I did tell the Chief minister but I guess to gain cheap popularity in public he ordered the marshal's arrest when infact the lady should have been arrested and the marshall rewarded for his alertness.
Poor chap I pity him. He should know that doing duty in our country is a bigger risk than not doing it.
RE:Some ladies are too obnoxious
by pradeep agarwal on Aug 17, 2007 07:24 PM Permalink
This is easy way out for a Maulana CM.He has acted like a politician & Marshal got in trouble for doing his job as mentioned by you.
RE:RE:Some ladies are too obnoxious
by issac joseph on Aug 17, 2007 07:44 PM Permalink
I am cent percent agree with ratnesh srivastava. The background of the lady has to be investigated. In such a situation, the men around her, as a fashion, rally behind her to give sympathy and get a passing favour from the lady. These pygmy men are stupid of the first order, I pity them and spit at them.
RE:Some ladies are too obnoxious
by Champ on Aug 17, 2007 07:43 PM Permalink
just close your dirty mouths and go back to work!!! Leave the story to be investigated!!!!!!!!!1
RE:Some ladies are too obnoxious
by Sunil Kumar on Aug 17, 2007 07:12 PM Permalink
Hi "ratnesh srivastav", no body know each other here. if whatever you are telling is true, U shd show ur guts and tell everything to concern authorities. it will be a great help to an innocent person who was doing his duty. he may be a family person and i hope u can imagine the stigma attached if he will declare culprit even though he is not. Show ur guts n strength.
RE:Some ladies are too obnoxious
by Analyst on Aug 17, 2007 06:52 PM Permalink
Moderator of the site is requeted to print Ratnesh's story as headlines (prior check his flight details and match), so that this CM's cheap publicity stutnt should go public. Be bold man, India is what we are going to make.
RE:RE:RE:Some ladies are too obnoxious
by Texas Tornado on Aug 17, 2007 07:00 PM Permalink
I totally agree with your comment. Media can do it's part here, instead of creating juicy stories, let them show the courage to tell the truth. Complaining against CM is not at all a practical thing.
RE:Some ladies are too obnoxious
by santosh satpathy on Aug 18, 2007 12:05 AM Permalink
Are u some out of job and short on money script writer in bollywood?
Its time to think someting more original than this some obnoxious lady crap.
RE:Some ladies are too obnoxious
by Mukund on Aug 17, 2007 06:47 PM Permalink
Rediffmail should publish your observations in the head lines to clear the misunderstanding about Marshall. Pilot should have stopped the plane when he knew that some one is not observing his instructions instead of stopping for Marshall. All passangers should support the Marshall. Being a woman it does not give blanket permit to behave rakelessly.
RE:Some ladies are too obnoxious
by sarita kulharia on Aug 17, 2007 08:15 PM Permalink
I did tell Cheif minister. But it is true I am not superman and I am not brave enough to fight the system of Neta-terrorists-and media. I have a family and I am sure that if I put give written complaint then I might be killed like Satyendra Dube.
You may call me coward. That I am. I did explain it to CM but the behaviour of CM was enough to scare me. I am sorry friends I am not (and I cannot be a soldier)
I will appear as witness in court case in favour of Marshall but more than that I cannot do.
Sorry if my friends are hurt but I cannot fight terrorist when I know that if I am killed noone will help my family.
RE:Some ladies are too obnoxious
by Surendra Jamuar on Aug 17, 2007 06:58 PM Permalink
The media should take up this and the sky marshal should be rewarded and the lady be punished.
RE:Some ladies are too obnoxious
by RAMESH K on Aug 17, 2007 07:08 PM Permalink
Hi Guys, First need to check if this guy was really on board the aircraft. Seems to be bluffing.
RE:Some ladies are too obnoxious
by gurdeep kohli on Aug 17, 2007 06:54 PM Permalink
Agreed with u sunit... cowards like ratenesh are making india down.. ratnesh.. please lunch complaintr against both lady and CM .. and protect poor chap.. if afraid involve media.. to blast both of then and u become eyewitnesss
RE:Some ladies are too obnoxious
by Manish Nair on Aug 17, 2007 06:54 PM Permalink
Dear Mr Sunit Kumar,
Do you know for sure that Mr Ratnesh has not written a complaint. There is nothing in his narrative which indicates that he has not written a complaint.
Also, IMO it is unnecessary to make comments like "in this country we have monkeys like you".
RE:RE:Some ladies are too obnoxious
by Sunit Kumar on Aug 17, 2007 07:04 PM Permalink
Manish Nair thats the point, u me him, we all are monkeys sitting here on a branch hoping that all will be all right one day...in past 60 years has it been all right...!!! welcome to the BRANCH !! sit here, do analysis and dont actually do anything.
RE:Some ladies are too obnoxious
by Kumar Kalyan on Aug 17, 2007 07:05 PM Permalink
Ratnesh Bhai - Thankyou hume to bata diye. Lekin Hum to bahoot door hain aur sayad kuch nahi sakte. Lekin Aap to paas hai ,kuchh doosra karo agar Marshall innocent hai to.
RE:Some ladies are too obnoxious
by Texas Tornado on Aug 17, 2007 06:56 PM Permalink
Oh, the great Sunit Kumar hero, do you have the guts to do that? In India, have you given a complaint against a politician and faced the consequences? And by the way, if a woman is involved, she's always right! What a world :(
RE:RE:Some ladies are too obnoxious
by Sunit Kumar on Aug 17, 2007 07:06 PM Permalink
YEs Texas u the red ASSED BAFOON !! i dont have guts thats why we are here posting stupid messages !!
RE:Some ladies are too obnoxious
by N Venugopal on Aug 17, 2007 07:12 PM Permalink
Once he said He explained that to CM orally it is as good at, No written complaint is required. CMs PA should have noted the saidconversation.
RE:Some ladies are too obnoxious
by ashish nemani on Aug 17, 2007 06:54 PM Permalink
have u lost ur common sense and vision of practical-approach? complain against chief minister!!!! huh think before u open ur trash.
RE:RE:Some ladies are too obnoxious
by Sunit Kumar on Aug 17, 2007 07:10 PM Permalink
ashish nemani, today's we people like to be as safe as possible hoping some one else to do the job....and that is the reason we are what we are !!
RE:Some ladies are too obnoxious
by knowsoft on Aug 17, 2007 06:53 PM Permalink
Just because he posted in Rediff, it does not mean that he did not complain to the authorities. I am not sure but may be he did.
RE:RE:Some ladies are too obnoxious
by Sunit Kumar on Aug 17, 2007 07:13 PM Permalink
has he mentioned that in the post ? No which means what ? read his last comment, i am angry on that !!
RE:Some ladies are too obnoxious
by jayaprakash ravella on Aug 17, 2007 07:04 PM Permalink
If this is fact, The Chief Minister of Jammu & Kashmir should apologize to entire nation. The Rediff should interview other passengers on the board & publish findings in the headlines.
RE:Some ladies are too obnoxious
by Champ on Aug 17, 2007 07:09 PM Permalink
just close your dirty mouths and go back to work!!! Leave the story to be investigated!!!!!!!!!1
RE:Some ladies are too obnoxious
by ratnesh srivastav on Aug 17, 2007 08:21 PM Permalink
Sorry folks I have used the id of my elder sister who had logged in but it is me ratnesh srivastav.
RE:Some ladies are too obnoxious
by Mak C on Aug 17, 2007 08:39 PM Permalink
Dear Ratnesh, you have done sufficient and are braver than you imagine. I am happy that you did not shy away from the situation and I hope others who read this learn that you can only get justice when you need it by unconditionally offering someone else get justice. This is the only way a society can remain healthy and evil kept at bay. The CM will and has to accept the course of law and for him it would be already a forgotten matter which he would excuse himself from even later by saying he acted upon the amount of information available to him then. Bravo once again.
RE:Some ladies are too obnoxious
by Mak C on Aug 17, 2007 07:31 PM Permalink
Dear Ratnesh, I can understand that the comments which have followed your message are undignified and would repulse you, but the right thing for you would be to report the matter factually at the nearest police station, since the lady in question would still be in town. You happened to be an eye witness and should clear the unnecessary and unjustified mess the air marshal is in. This sort of false chauvinism happens quite commonly on streets where a lady just cries for help and a bunch of Sir Lancelots gather to offer justice without finding facts. The lady in question also needs to be taught a lesson that instructions given on aircrafts are meant for the safety of passengers(besides offering legal recourse to the airlines) and she also needs some punitive correction for misusing her gender and misleading the law into prosecuting an innocent man duty-bound to do what he did.
RE:Some ladies are too obnoxious
by Analyst on Aug 17, 2007 06:56 PM Permalink
Time to remember Guys about the daughter of Ex. CM Mufti Mohammed Syed, because of her India had to release many dreaded terrorists, who later on killed many innocent people. Armed forces guys are cool, if they are doing their duty let them. Politician as we all know are stupid guys.
RE:Some ladies are too obnoxious
by Sridhar Jajula on Aug 17, 2007 06:59 PM Permalink
This gu Sruvastav is just lying. I was on the same flight, and whatever has been written in rediff is true. I was the first one to shout at the Sky marshal for fondling the woman.
RE:Some ladies are too obnoxious
by Analyst on Aug 17, 2007 07:04 PM Permalink
Then i was the pilot of that flight ;-), somebody should say that he was the CM on the same flight. Shut yours man.
Was it an attempt to improve the popularity of CM as shown in Hindi movies. Hero fights in front of herion with his known fellows to show off. There could also be a mis understanding or mis communication if both are using different languages. Was the woman so beautiful or sexy so that it will tempt Marshall to go out of way in front of all people and Chief minister and that too in day time?
RE:On Board
by Analyst on Aug 17, 2007 06:41 PM Permalink
These bloddy congress party people can do anything for cheap publicity. Good that Aishwarya has not taken up this flight.
RE:who knows...maybe this woman is jihadi
by Analyst on Aug 17, 2007 06:32 PM Permalink
Exactly, and this bloody congress CM will play on minority card.
It is wrong to jump on the conclusion because a lady is involved. It could be a plan of Terrorist groups to demoralise the moral of security forces posted in the valley. Just because a lady has complained, Police arrested the NSG Commando, flight got delayed. It is a matter of investigation if someone has checked in during this delay OR someone has not boardrd the plane again after deboarding. We have read many news items in newspapers in last few months, reporting about the security personnels molesting a local village woman and got thrashed by the villagers. What is true only god knows, but these increasing reports about defaming security peronnels in Kashmir is an alarming signal. That lady may be right, but please investigate the matter thoroughly and impartially.
RE:Pls check the credentials of lady also
by soni methi on Aug 17, 2007 06:29 PM Permalink
NSG They are also human and have feelings and bound to do such acts, molesting is not rape.
RE:Pls check the credentials of lady also
by Tru Indian on Aug 17, 2007 06:42 PM Permalink
Mr Methi, It seems that you have molested many girls before. So you don't feel any wrong in that.
