It is clear that Sonia does not understand a thing about Nuclear pwer, neither tech (To be fair, no one expects that), its economic impact, impact on foreign policy, impact on our environment, impact on our soverignity assuming that she cares about these things. It is unfortunate that such poorly-read lady has to dicate our policies and endorse our erudite PM. That my dear friends -is the slave mentality of Indians. I am not sarcastic- It is not Sonia's fault. If I am given such reverence by people of a country, I may act worse than her. But it is a pity that country with brilliant people are making this happen.
RE:Des she understand a thing about Nuclear.
by us on Aug 14, 2007 09:22 PM Permalink
Its a nuclear deal. No nuclear scientist in the country support openly heartedly this deal, rather opposing the deal. At least you understand this part. Our Madam support (although she does not understand ABC of the deal) it and all CHAMCHAs bitting drums for her.
RE:Des she understand a thing about Nuclear.
by us on Aug 14, 2007 10:07 PM Permalink
Its a nuclear deal. No nuclear scientist in the country support openly heartedly this deal, rather opposing the deal. At least you understand and take this part.
RE:Des she understand a thing about Nuclear.
by neel sanghvi on Aug 14, 2007 10:10 PM Permalink
here is biggest hurdles. Everyone knows US is super power and US has biggest interest for n-deal and without US's permission no one wil supply any material to India. Think twice about hide act. You will find below two issues very easily if you are not pro-sonia. N-deal will put India's foreign policies on US hands. N-deal will take away indias rights to buy any material directly and hence can not go ahead with strategic plans.
RE:RE:Des she understand a thing about Nuclear.
by us on Aug 14, 2007 10:16 PM Permalink
Energy production is definitely a plus point of the deal. Deal is to tie India's hands in NPT. All radioactive materials will be supplied by US controlled agency and in future they will check the complete details of its use. Almost all nuclear facilities of INDIA will have US inspection list. US cann't bomb India to sent it to stone age, but it is the best way to keep India in controll.
RE:PM is a slave of Sonia, not for India
by Libran on Aug 14, 2007 08:23 PM Permalink
I don't agree that what PM told is Sonia's wish. She does not have the capability to think about these things. It must be some forces within the country or outside who are getting their agenda completed through Sonia. I see sonia as a pure Gold empty pot (Pure gold because of her personal character and empty because of her capability). You can put milk in it or poison. It still holds.
RE:PM is a slave of Sonia, not for India
by us on Aug 14, 2007 09:00 PM Permalink
See, how congress supporters are givings their last breathe to fulfil their Madam's every wish - Make puppet President, puppet vice president, puppet PM, any more of Italian wish. After all who is she ? She is nothing but a Pure Foreigner, just mamaged to sleep with (once) Prince of a Indian ONE-family.
RE:PM is a slave of Sonia, not for India
by us on Aug 14, 2007 10:40 PM Permalink
She is nothing but a Pure Foreigner, just mamaged to sleep with (once) Prince of a Indian ONE-family. By this qualification many things come her automatically as you said.
Since you are perfectly Pro-Sonia, definitely you will not accept any other logic. However there are million of Naturalized Indians. Nobody is power-hunger like her. She made puppet PM, puppet President and vice President, and after all she is SUPER PM. No body in the upper office can take a single breathe without her permission. What else does she need?
Most importantly many of your quotes are joke "sacrificing her personal life for our country" "She proved that she is patriotic than any other normal Indian women" "She came to politics to save India" "People of India voted for her as a whole and she had all the rights to become our prime minister" "She is the president of the ruling party of India" She was not a member of the party, directly become president of the party. --she is/was not power-hunger !
RE:PM is a slave of Sonia, not for India
by Ravikumar on Aug 14, 2007 11:30 PM Permalink
U Indian, Only chiristian blokes like u lick the feet of Sonia. What personal life did she sacrifice.Is she led a play girl life before? Congress won only 142 seats in parliment which is below25%.How can u say people accepted her?
RE:PM is a slave of Sonia, not for India
by Libran on Aug 14, 2007 09:54 PM Permalink
Indian. Please understand this. This is not about BJP/COngress question. It is about India. I have great respect for her personal integrity. But there will be millions in the country of billion who will be equivalent or better than her in integrity. Question here is about capability and intellectual capacity (not intelligence) to understand such complicated thing as Nuclear deal, let alone comment about it.
The current question is, if she is a real leader she should leave it to people who better understand the deal and should not comment on it. The fact that she is making such statements shows that someone is playing behind and she is only a puppet as she has a clean image. God forbid- If that 'Sutradhar' is a traitor- India will go to dogs. It is people like you who will bilndly agree to everything that she does who will be letting India down. If that is what your final aim is I have no arguments with you.
Please mark my strong reaction- She may be a good person. But she has no capability to be a leader or a policy maker. It is only sychophant Indians who pulled her in to politics - to gain through the Gandhi name (which itself is ill-gotten by the family. I don't mean ill-gotten by Sonia). So do not agree to whatever she does blindly.
RE:RE:PM is a slave of Sonia, not for India
by Libran on Aug 14, 2007 11:00 PM Permalink
Dear Indian, Pls dont talk any more rubbish libran I agre you have right to say what I say say is rubbish. You don't have right to dictate to me to say - "don't talk anymore" I won't take your dictat- whether it is accompanied by pls or not.
What made you to say someone palying behind this deal? Pls read all my posts- I did not say someone is behind the deal. I am telling that some one is behind Sonia's statement. When a puppet speaks in a puppet show, you know it is not puppet speaking but you won't know who is really speaking. If you don't agree, I reserve my right to differ. I have not criticized the deal or spoken against it as I am not erudite enough to understand if it is good for our country. I understand it is good for energy scenario, nut not sure if we will have to pay a high price of "sovereignity" . That is why I did not criticize or prise this deal. I have no political ambition to gain from it. Yes, I do believe that Gandhi name is ill-gotten by this family. Whenever I say this people only deride me, but are not able to give even an ordinary explanation other than what I know how this family name was obtained. I would not have cared if that was any XYZ name- But the name of Gandhi was gotten for political mileage and nothing else. You have the right to call me BJP/RSS. No one would care either I am a pinko or safronite
RE:RE:PM is a slave of Sonia, not for India
by neel sanghvi on Aug 14, 2007 10:20 PM Permalink
Let me put your words correctly. She is not a foriegner anymore. She is naturalised citizen of India. - She fakes her degree to get into politics.
She is widow of our Ex-Prime minister. - She is worse than Ex-prime minister.
She is the daughter-in-law of most respected Indira Gandhi. - She is dauther0in-law of Indira Gandhi, who place immergency just to save her own ruling and destroyed papers containig names all POW so that no one can ever find out how she mishandeled war.
She is sacrificing her personal life for our country. She stayed away from politics after even after her husband's death. - She was not able to enter into politics because she is selfish and she had no guts to came after what congress did for india in past 50 years and she is doing even worse.
She proved that she is patriotic than any other normal Indian women who marry another one when husband dies. She stayed simple and modest and set a good example of Indian woman. - She knew very well that she can not be PM as per indian constitution and hence she rejected it. She rejected because she knew that it does not matter if she will be PM or not. She will always get puppets and can get whatever she wants.
She came to politics to save India from the hands of BJP which was ruining this country with communal riots and corruption. - She came to power to ruin india and increase corruption as secularism and seperation.
People of India voted for her as a whole and she had all the rights to become our prime min
RE:PM is a slave of Sonia, not for India
by BHAGWAT SINGH on Aug 14, 2007 08:53 PM Permalink
It should be the speech given to sonia by the old desert fox nearing 90 arjun singh(the real poison of congress)
My fellow countrymen, We need to take a harder look at the role of government in our lives. We need to come out of the shadows of Marxism and the reject the teachings of Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels, the Founding Fathers of the LEFT.
This is failed economics. Tell one thing that the government is good and efficient at (Other than corruption). Look at every sector, it does better and is more productive when there is accountability and no government intervention.
The role of government must be strictly limited to,
- Defense and National Security - Pro-Growth Tax policy - Tax Collection - Law & enforcement - Judicial System
Government is not suited for running a business. Be it the Telecom, postal, railways, Television, Air etc.
Government brings with it a system of corruption, segregation, inefficiency and lack of accountability.
Compare an individual working for the government with one working for a private firm or even running his own business. Government makes a person less productive. Take a look at West Bengal...Not sure why people still embrace communism in that part of our country ?
A smaller government is a better government.
Take the telecommunication sector. I remember it took us more than a year to get a phone line when it was run by the government (In addition to the harrassment and corruption). Compare that with today...Can you imagine waiting for a year for a phone line ?
RE:Marxism/Communism/LEFT - Failed Economic & Failed Policy
by kshitij tumbde on Aug 14, 2007 09:58 PM Permalink
Agreed. But this does not prove that nuclear deal is a good deal for India. I dont wanna be an american slave 10 yrs down the line when my ancestors were enslved by british 100 yrs ago. Remember, british east india company started with trade
RE:Marxism/Communism/LEFT - Failed Economic & Failed Policy
by imran patel on Aug 14, 2007 10:13 PM Permalink
Kshitij, Colonialism is a thing of the past. If we do not make ourselves economically strong, we will end up like our next door neighbour.
The Nuclear deal is in no way a compromise on our national security. I would agrue that it strengthens it. We will not depend on the US...But the countries that supply nuclear fuel and there are close to 40 of those countries. And this is big business...Don't you see that. There will be plants in other countries that will produce fuel, people working there and a big source of revenue for those countries. Do you think those countries will go back on the deal and take losses.
I understand the fear of the East India Company...But lets not kill the HEN thinking its a FOX.
1 "The United States has a longstanding policy of not supplying to any country enrichment, reprocessing and heavy water production facilities."
Wrong. The Hyde Act%u2019s Explanatory Statement itself notes that cooperation in the areas of uranium enrichment, reprocessing of spent fuel and heavy water production "is not restricted" under the Atomic Energy Act, "but agreements for cooperation must specify if such cooperation is to take place".
It also notes that the 123 agreement with Australia specifically allows for such cooperation.
2 "There is no provision that states that US cooperation with India will be subject to an annual certification process."
Wrong. In the Hyde Act it is explicitly mandated that the President has to send his annual "assessment" to Congress on whether "India is in full compliance" with its various US-imposed "commitments and obligations," including on Iran, and whether the "activities and programmes funded under" the legislation "are achieving the goals."
3"There is nothing in the Agreement that would tie the hands of a future Government or legally constrain its options to protect India%u2019s security and defence needs."
Wrong. A test prohibition against India has been methodically built into its provisions through the incorporation of the US "right to return". Besides the test ban, the US Congress has sought to subject India%u2019s nuclear-weapons programme to sustained US scrutiny.
RE:What PM said; What facts say
by Readiff on Aug 14, 2007 07:17 PM Permalink
4 "An elaborate multi-layered consultation process has been included with regard to any future events that may be cited as a reason by either Party to seek cessation of cooperation or termination of the Agreement."
Consultations are for PR and thus meaningless. In essen-ce, what India has got is the right to consultation while the US has the right to decisions.
Soniaji said 'what PM said is in line' with what she asked him to. She herself praising for this accomplishment through PM. Our PM is talking only what she wants in Parliament. On the 60th independance day Gandhi India the Congress party cadres will tell only the truth and give independance to the majority people Hindus also on the basis of secularism and improve the history books with left support
RE:deal in line
by Maximus Decimus on Aug 14, 2007 07:37 PM Permalink
"Soniaji said 'what PM said is in line' with what she asked him to. She herself praising for this accomplishment through PM. Our PM is talking only what she wants in Parliament. "
You are saying it confidently...do you live with them? Give us some concrete information, please!
Instead of targetting Sonia Gandhi every now and then,the BJP should work hard targetting the 2009 Loksabha election. They should project Sushri Sushma Swaraj as the PM candiate right from Now. The congress will loose like anything. But the real question is does BJP has the guts to project a woman as a PM candidate? Moreover will the wooden logs BJP ever tolerate a woman from their party ruling over them?. Sushma Swaraj is the most capable person for the post. She also has good oratory,knowledge of national and international level issue. She also has a very good image as a house wife that wud really have an impact on voters. Its really pitty to see Hema Malini and Smriti Irani alongwith Sushma Swaraj.These bollywood babes can't be a match for Sushmaji.
RE:BJP - Please do this
by Sanjeev on Aug 14, 2007 10:23 PM Permalink
And you of course remember that Sushma Swaraj wa trounced ( barely able to save her deposit) in a direct fight in the Bellary Lok Sabha constituency in 1999.
RE:BJP - Please do this
by kshitij tumbde on Aug 14, 2007 10:05 PM Permalink
This isnt about who is competent or who is not? This is about whether nuclear deal infringes on our lives for good?
RE:BJP - Please do this
by Libran on Aug 14, 2007 10:09 PM Permalink
Aadi Manav, I agree with you Sushma Swaraj is the best candidate for PM position in BJP. I don't agree that BJP does not want Sushma as PM because she is a lady. There may be opposition within BJP - that is because of selfish leaders there and not because they don't want a lady. Moreover, I don't know why who seem to have so much respect for Sushma does not respect Hama Malini or Smriti. I believ both these ladies have strong personalities and are intellectuals - they are well read, well mannered. They are as Good as Sushma except for political savviness. Any way, all this discussion is futile because BJP is a spent force. Its real strong voter base is very limited. Even if it comes to power, it will be another congress interms of corruption. Only difference would be they may lean more tpwards Hindus just like Congress is leaning towards Muslims. But they will be corrupt anyway. Corruption is a constant factor whether it is BJP or Congress. That is because of our mentality of worshipping wealth -no matter what its origin is. Absolute Chaltha-hai attitude abt corruption
On the eve of India's independance day,I wish all of you a very happy independance day.Let us remember the all unsung heroes of Nation who shed their blood to make out Motherland from the British slavery.
Long Live the Indian Independance Jai Hind!!!! Vande Mataram !!!!
in india opposite party means oppose everything ,we know when congress was in gov. on that time bjp opposed for WTO deal but letter on it accepted when bjp on govt.so if next time in bjp in gov. by chance they gona sign this deal any way,oppose is not answer but discuss it what is favour or not favour ,how much wt on favour side if more then support,so discussion is answer. so dont waste govt time and money ,keep decipline in parliament so all over world follow our democracy ,work in nation interest only ,not party interest.........
RE:oppostion party means oppose every thing
by Aadi Manav on Aug 14, 2007 06:33 PM Permalink
well said..in fact BJP is not at all a party with a difference as they used to claim. They have left congress far behind in all malpractices for which they were blaming the congress...Power corrupts ..absoluyte power corrupts absolutely....thats the truth
RE:oppostion party means oppose every thing
by Aadi Manav on Aug 14, 2007 06:42 PM Permalink
Shilpaji,my great Hindu culture teaches me to respect every woman.Because it rightly says 'Yatra naryastu Poojyantey,Tatra Ramantey Devata'(Wherever a woman is respected,the GODs dwell at that place). Our India has always respected the women. I can understand the mindset of RSS & its cadre. They were never known to respect women. Just a example fo Sushma Swaraj.She is pitted against Sonia Gandhi everywhere. But when its a matter of power she is just neglected for the old wooden logs of RSS like Advani,MM Joshi,Atal Bihari etc. Why do not BJP project a capable woman Sushma Swaraj as the PM candidate? Show the respect from action
RE:oppostion party means oppose every thing
by Aadi Manav on Aug 14, 2007 07:02 PM Permalink
Kshma Bandhu...am really sorry for that my brother..please forgive me if I have hurt your feelings in anyway
My fellow countrymen, it is time to think beyond party lines. This is a matter of national security and national prosperity.
We can never have all our energy needs fullfilled by Nuclear powerplants and we should not do that. Our energy portfolio needs to be diverse. If we get 13% from Nuclear, that we a good mix. The rest can come from Coal, bio-fuels, wind, Hydro etc.
Don't forget the fact the Indian economy is growing at the rate of 8% every year. We are far behind in the manufacturing sector compared to other countries. A big reason for that is the state of our infrastructure and utility items such as electricity and water. These are essential to have a strong manufacturing economy.
50% of our agricultural produce is wasted...Yes wasted in transportation. Adequate electricity will enable better storage facilities.
Nuclear power plants are less dependent on location as oppose to some other options. Not affected by rainfall. It is a reliable source or energy and we all know how important that is.
It is important we recognize the impact of this agreement on our daily lives. India is a strong democratic country unlike our neighbours. We do not need to test more nuclear weapons. We have enough to deter any threat. It is time for us now to focus on our economic expansion. We are one 6th of the world population and our GDP is 2% of world GDP. Isn't it time that we stand up and live up to our full potential?
