RE:Hamid Ansari..
by Sahadevan KK on Aug 11, 2007 02:06 PM Permalink
A heavy flood siuation remains in many Indian states as well as BJP camps; They have insulted Kalam firstly then Pratibha Patil, Shekhawat and Najma Heptulla are also insulted. Election result proved that they very much insulted the Indian voters also.
RE:oh no
by pat on Aug 11, 2007 12:21 AM Permalink
Reservation in everything. Let us select astronauts for moon landing a Sikh, Hindu, Muslim, Christian Ha Ha Ha!
RE:who was he?
by Wander Wolf on Aug 10, 2007 11:51 PM Permalink
No that dude was Samajwadi Party Candidate. Next we'll have some prime minister who doesnt like the tri-color or has a problem with the national emblem citing its origin from a 'Hindu' empire. Gosh! Unless this country does not turn "Born Again Christians" no one's going to stop this hostile anti-India, anti-Hindu anti-pagan/heathen anti-vegetarian anti-everything Indian mania.
Renaming %u2018Muslim Indian%u2019 Tuesday August 7 2007 13:32 IST S GURUMURTHY
An interesting story and instructive too. Kafeel Ahmed, an Islamist Jihadi - who, along with his brother, Dr Sabeel Ahmed, planned to blow up the Glasgow airport - has succumbed to the burns he inflicted on himself to do what he intended to but fortunately failed to.
Indians, particularly Muslims among them, are rightly indignant that the two Bangaloreans have trashed the reputation of Indians as peace-loving people and also added the Muslims in India to the list of global terror suspects and Al-Qaeda sympathisers. Yes, for their acts which have done irreversible damage to Muslims in India and outside as much as to Indians and India, they are rightly demonised. But without sounding perverse, can it be said that what they have done has also the potential to do good to India, to its Muslims? How? Read on.
First, to partition India and its people, Mohammed Ali Jinnah divided the people who were just Indians into %u2018Indians%u2019 and %u2018Muslims%u2019 and got Pakistan exclusively for Muslims who refused to be Indians, leaving the mainland India as the motherland for the rest of Indians including Muslims. So, at the dawn of freedom, it was Pakistan for Muslims and India for Indians. Next, post-freedom, national political leaders divided Indians into vote banks, classified them according to their faith and identified an Indian national who was a Muslim as %u2018
RE:sgmurty article relavent
by Unknown on Aug 10, 2007 11:45 PM Permalink
Hi Dear, Jinnah was not responsible for partition. It was Nehru and Gandhiji who were responsible for the partition. Gandhiji wanted Nehru to be the Prime minister of India and Jinnah was opposing it. For all this India was divided into two parts. Don't you think Nehru is responsible for Kashmir problem. Sardar Patel was the most suitable person for the post of Prime Minister and Gandhiji wants Nehru to be the Prime Minister of India and finally he became.
RE:sgmurty article relavent
by pat on Aug 11, 2007 12:13 AM Permalink
Jinnah is a selfish guy, he did it for his post. Where as gandhi is not a selfish person. Just advani told something, jinnah won't be compared w/ Gandhiji
Castism existed along with the hindu religion. Even before Congress came into existance. You cant blame congress for that. Congress only supporting the underprevilaged low caste to develop into the main stream society by giving them reservations.
And about religion, BJP is the first and only political party which used religion for vote banks but failed. They're still using this tool to come into power .
Please dont blame congress for everything. Look at the histroy and you'll find India experienced economic growth only during Congress rule at center.
Please dont fall into the traps of fake patriotist like BJP. Their main agenda is to build Ram mandir where as Congress strive hard to make India a economic super power .
RE:RE:RE:CONGRESS is the only party which can save India
by akash on Aug 10, 2007 11:51 PM Permalink
I think u hv started personal comments and for ur information i am a person from a small village just telling u that remove the veil of ignorance from ur eyes which have been put by oppresing political ideology spread by some parties and rem India resides in villages
RE:RE:RE:RE:CONGRESS is the only party which can save India
by pat on Aug 10, 2007 11:59 PM Permalink
Every one has sin, Moghuls killed lot of people in the early days. Caste system existed. Now a days the main sin is in the form of fundamentalism, living not in villages, but hiding in forests. The respective Govts should take necessary steps to root out these bad system from the world.
RE:CONGRESS is the only party which can save India
by Pritish Nagaraj on Aug 11, 2007 12:16 AM Permalink
I'm sorry, its just hard to identify whos who... never meant to say it personal .. but when somebody gives points to my Lord for wrong reasons I take it more personal than someone calling me names, its not coz my religions teaches to me to be like that, its coz I've read Ramayana and the sweet/pure (madhur/amal) relationship between the Devotee and the Lord.
Ok, in Vedic System which existed until 5000 years ago, the four Varnas were based on the Knowledge/ Activities of a person.
It never said that the son of a Brahmana can be called a Brahmana, ... every individual has to undergo 'Brahmacharya' from a qualified Guru and then Learn Vedas and Teach Vedas, Learn how to Worship Lord and Preach the same to people.
If he by chance gets into politics he would be called Kshatriya, ...or if he starts getting into business he'll be called Vaishya, ... if he does none of the above he'll be called a Shoodra.
Every human was expected to have spiritual Inclination otherwise he was considered low among humans, ...no matter who his ancestors were !! ....since Human life is meant for Spiritual Realization according to Vedas,
RE:RE:CONGRESS is the only party which can save India
by pat on Aug 10, 2007 11:19 PM Permalink
Just an explantion, not arguing. Caste system existed, but Govt. strong measures, it was removed, now even ST (sorry), can work with a Brahmin. But these measures were adopted in only India successfully. See other countries, they still hold the old dirty book & thinking backwards.
RE:CONGRESS is the only party which can save India
by Pritish Nagaraj on Aug 10, 2007 11:36 PM Permalink
Dude Aryan concept is a myth, that has even been removed from the school books ! that was our fake history taught to us by britishes coz the church could not digest the fact that the Hinduism has a undated and rich VEDIC PAST !
Well Caste System is a manipulated Varna system in VEDAS, it was manipulated by few crooks who wanted to devide us and rule !
RE:CONGRESS is the only party which can save India
by akash on Aug 10, 2007 11:43 PM Permalink
But it is a fact that caste system exists for centuries. U can deny aryans but u cant deny other historical proofs like records of chinese travelers during chandragupta maurya, ramayana ,mahabharta ,the doha of kabir mentioning shudra, tulsi etc
RE:CONGRESS is the only party which can save India
by pat on Aug 10, 2007 11:50 PM Permalink
It was rooted out from the system. Think about something still exists which harm people.
RE:CONGRESS is the only party which can save India
by akash on Aug 10, 2007 11:31 PM Permalink
The bjp leaders know only to bark like dogs. Can anyone tell why they oppose the Indo-Us nuclear deal. The negotiation for this deal were strted in the Vajpayee govt tenure. The talks b/w jaswant singh and Us seceretry of states were completely centered on this agenda only and before the final deal was to be signed the bjp govt fall in 2004. Now the same bjp is opposing it bcoz it fears tht congress will take the credits. Bjp have no interest in the fact that the deal will benefit India or not. its personal agenda comes before the nation
RE:RE:RE:CONGRESS is the only party which can save India
by akash on Aug 10, 2007 11:46 PM Permalink
U r wrong BJP is so opposed to nuclear deal that it is demanding a vote in parliament for the deal. Just bcoz communist are opposing cant justify the stand os BJP
RE:CONGRESS is the only party which can save India
by Pritish Nagaraj on Aug 10, 2007 11:58 PM Permalink
What is wrong in Voting??? That is what is Democracy, what if someday a Pakistani is made a PM of India by Cong,.. do you think you want to go with them?? ... how much do you know abt Nuclear Deal... what do you know abt the Environmental impact of this assumed progress??
RE:RE:CONGRESS is the only party which can save India
by pat on Aug 11, 2007 12:06 AM Permalink
Nuclear Deal will save environment, that is true. That was started by BJP & done by COngress. Both govt. has credits. But more credits to those who did lot of works to pursuade them.
RE:CONGRESS is the only party which can save India
by sudhir on Aug 10, 2007 11:44 PM Permalink
Yes casteism existed and hindus have accepted this and taken corrective measures.
But what about other communities.
BJP is a political party. What is wrong if it is pro-Hindu. Lot of parties are pro-muslims.
What is wrong in building RAM mandir. As the majority of this country has no objection to this democratically it is right. India did not go down during the BJP rule. In fact it did very well. Only thing is anti-incubancy called for the fall of BJP.
Fake patriots - I think people who support jehad are traitors.
RE:RE:CONGRESS is the only party which can save India
by Pritish Nagaraj on Aug 11, 2007 12:21 AM Permalink
I think we Hindus should know our own past ============================== In Vedic System which existed until 5000 years ago, the four Varnas were based on the Knowledge/ Activities of a person.
It never said that the son of a Brahmana can be called a Brahmana, ... every individual has to undergo 'Brahmacharya' from a qualified Guru and then Learn Vedas and Teach Vedas, Learn how to Worship Lord and Preach the same to people.
If he by chance gets into politics he would be called Kshatriya, ...or if he starts getting into business he'll be called Vaishya, ... if he does none of the above he'll be called a Shoodra.
Every human was expected to have spiritual Inclination otherwise he was considered low among humans, ...no matter who his ancestors were !! ....since Human life is meant for Spiritual Realization according to Vedas, ==========================
Well the present Caste System was the outcome of politicians and crooks who engaged in dividing people to rule them in present Kali Yuga,... well I might sound too scripturistic .. but it really made sense to me after I read it couple of times and discussing with few learned men on the Vedas.
RE:RE:CONGRESS is the only party which can save India
by Pritish Nagaraj on Aug 11, 2007 12:57 AM Permalink
Any faith on this earth is a fallout of Vedic system. There was nothing called religion on this earth, having said that Vedic System is not Religion, it is simply a way of life on earth. You will need real knowledge of scripture to talk to me.
RE:CONGRESS is the only party which can save India
by Pritish Nagaraj on Aug 11, 2007 01:05 AM Permalink
"Castism was a product of brahmins and it was the political parties or the govt who abolished the system. "
Well I'm not talking of todays political parties, yes it was due to crooks who started calling themselves brahmins, though unqualified through the Vedic System, though their activities were worst than Shoodras of the Vedic System,... it is the quality of a human being in this age in general to cheat, you cannot help it. Thats why I said the Vedic system existed 5000 years ago, there are real real Brahmins even now, but not in good number.
RE:CONGRESS is the only party which can save India
by pat on Aug 10, 2007 10:44 PM Permalink
Nothing like this grape is great, that grape is sour. All parties are good. If you feel COgrass will do better you vote for that. Also, don't tell Vajpayee as in-efficient.
RE:CONGRESS is the only party which can save India
by umesh pardeshi on Aug 10, 2007 11:49 PM Permalink
Congress is bull shit because congress party always save the Muslims so that they get their votes. The main example is Terrorist Afsal.
RE:CONGRESS is the only party which can save India
by umesh pardeshi on Aug 11, 2007 12:18 AM Permalink
Hi Akash, I am not saying that BJP is good but i just want to say that Congress is worst and selfish. And for your knowledge the second example of Congress selfishness is doing good friendship with Pakistan a terrorist country. Kutte ki dum hamesha tedi hi raheti hai....
RE:CONGRESS is the only party which can save India
by Cool Indian on Aug 11, 2007 02:23 AM Permalink
BJP might have put pressure on court to make the judgement faster and then hanged him during their tenure. Dude its all politics and so never don't think of any party as rastravadi
RE:CONGRESS is the only party which can save India
by Pritish Nagaraj on Aug 10, 2007 11:36 PM Permalink
Dude Aryan concept is a myth, that has even been removed from the school books ! that was our fake history taught to us by britishes coz the church could not digest the fact that the Hinduism has a undated and rich VEDIC PAST !
Well Caste System is a manipulated Varna system in VEDAS, it was manipulated by few crooks who wanted to devide us and rule !
RE:CONGRESS is the only party which can save India
by Pritish Nagaraj on Aug 10, 2007 10:58 PM Permalink
"Please dont blame congress for everything. Look at the histroy and you'll find India experienced economic growth only during Congress rule at center. "
In India politics does not matter with respect to progress of nation, it is we people who changed India. The soil itself has the capability to produced great minds !
It has been reported that there has been a lotof cross voting in the election of the President and Vice President. I am sure that it is the Shiv Sena which has voted for the UPA candidate inspite of being part of the NDA. It did so openly in the case of Pratibhatai and clandestinely in the case of Ansari. There is no problem with that. The problem is with thackarey wearing rudraksh etc. and attacking valentine's day celebrations. thackaray should refrain from calling himself a champion of Hindus and restrict himself to calling himself a champion of Marathis like Janab Dawood Ibrahim Kaskar. If he has the guts he should demand for himself a separate Maharashtra and secede from India.
RE:Ansari as vice President
by Shenidh on Aug 10, 2007 10:52 PM Permalink
that's bcoz u only know about india. Other than india-pak-bangladesh, u donno anything. For example muslim majority lebanon has christian president, Muslim majority nigeria had christian president (obusuln obsanjo) just few weeks back, Bhagawan Das was about to bcome chief justice of pakistan, however Ifthikhar chaudhari was reinstated by supreme court, Former forign minister of Iraq Tariq Aziz under saddam rule was christian, current president of Ivory coast again muslim majority state is christian, etc. I can give many more examples like this. OPen your eyes and welcome to the world
RE:Ansari as vice President
by pat on Aug 10, 2007 10:59 PM Permalink
We only ask Pak. We don't worry about other people. As these guys who ask stupid questions are fundamental fanatics from Pakistan.
RE:Ansari as vice President
by Shenidh on Aug 10, 2007 11:08 PM Permalink
But you said it's only possible in HINDUustan. So I just gave some examples that it happens in MUSLIMstans tooo
RE:Ansari as vice President
by Shenidh on Aug 10, 2007 11:26 PM Permalink
Yes...that's right all know about the people rights in both stans. Everybody know how minorities in India are still a poorly represented in every aspect, though their have been many muslims presidents, VPs, etc just to show to the outside world. Within muslims are suffering from poverty, descrimination, killings, etc
In Paki, Hindus can only vote for Hindus contestants, those contestants are very few who are given some specific regions to contest from ... I dont think we need to complain here, ...seek sanity in hell ?? uh
RE:Ansari as vice President
by sudhir on Aug 11, 2007 12:07 AM Permalink
Shenidh - Minorities are given more priviledges than what minorities get in muslim majority countries.
Let me take Example of Saudi which is the holy land of muslims. Lets apply its law as per the India criteria
1) Only majority is allowed to preach and pratice the religion with full freedom. No minority is allowed to build any place of worship. By that benchmark we have to destroy all mosque. But that does not happen.
2) Any apostate in Saudi is executed. That way 16 crore muslim in India have to be punished as ancestors of all the muslims today in India were converted Hindus. But that does not happen in India. People have freedom of religion.
3) Minorities in India vote and their franchise has equal weight as majority.
Minority gets subsidy to go to their holy places, scholarship if they make it to IITs job reservation in AP.
RE:Ansari as vice President
by pat on Aug 10, 2007 11:37 PM Permalink
Yes. You will tell these things to hide the facts about killing of thousands of pandits.
RE:Ansari as vice President
by mr on Aug 10, 2007 10:30 PM Permalink
I don't want to stop anybody from attacking these type of message. I don't know much about these politics. Give suitable reply to these people in local terms. I leave the board. Pritish Nagaraj, it is your time. I don't want to tie-up anybody using secular skin any more. Good bye.
RE:RE:Ansari as vice President
by Pritish Nagaraj on Aug 11, 2007 12:02 AM Permalink
lol ... dude I'm not your school principal... come on !! hahah .. its your first day in school bro... stop reading news ... start analysing news !
What a pity, that all political parties could get only muslim candidates as vice presidential candidates. Are we indians so naive & stupid?
What type of politics is it? Its always caste, religion based politics. If this continues even in the year 2050 our children would be singing the song " We shall overcome, We shall overcome ......some day..."
RE:VP Elections
by kraft on Aug 10, 2007 10:33 PM Permalink
Thanks to M.K.Gandhi, successive dishonest Politicians of the Congress, Communist and Socialist Politicians found an easy way of Votebank Politics by harping on "Imaginary" Grievances of the so-called [actually the Aggressive] Minorities. The Discourse of these Rascals revolves around what they call "Secularism".In the process ensuring Muslim Votes they are willing to sell the country's Safety and vital Interests! The low quality of Politicians of the Congress and COMMUNIST Variety is at the root of the problem.
RE:VP Elections
by mr on Aug 10, 2007 10:26 PM Permalink
There are some people in the message board doesn't like the name gandhi. Do they tear rupee? If every one take an issue out of their likes & dislikes, nothing left over. How do we develop.
RE:VP Elections
by mr on Aug 10, 2007 10:21 PM Permalink
We have a secular skin on top of us, something like justification. Lot of people in the world appreciates when we are distinguished from the rest. For development, only thing we do is forget the difference. Don't see the religion in anything. Whether Hamid Ansari is Muslim or whether ram in national anthem. Forget it. work for country benefits.
RE:VP Elections
by Sanjay Singh on Aug 10, 2007 10:56 PM Permalink
Congress- The promoter of casteism under the banner of Secularism... Well done Sonia Bai....there is one seat vacant in GB Road...Occupy before it is occupied by Priyanka...
Anything we tell like "Dr. Hamid Together with Dr. Patipa Make India Great". All these problems will come into picture in Hindu Names & Muslim Names comes to play.
