RE:IS it true? why to fight each other?
by champak on Aug 05, 2007 02:43 PM Permalink
abdul i too used to be a very hardliner supporter of the right wing. but after gujrat riots and esp after watching godhra vdos, i was left completely foxed. didn't know what to do. whom to believe. was very disappointed with what they did with muslims ( and with what muslims did to hindus) ( and still both are doing same things to each other) these hindu fanatics are as cruel as their muslim counterparts. what we, as common man, need to do is do our duty with utmost sincerity. lets not get involved into this hatred game. there is judiciary to take care of these things. (gujrat riots cases have been shifted to maharashtra and lets hope that things turn out positive) there's is no point in abusing each other's religion. that's not going to make anything good. why not concentrate upon our work?
A great note for all to read it will take just 37 seconds to read this and change your thinking
Two men, both seriously ill, occupied the same hospital room. One man was allowed to sit up in his bed for an hour each afternoon to help drain the fluid from his lungs His bed was next to the room's only window. The other man had to spend all his time flat on his back. The men talked for hours on end. They spoke of their wives and families, their homes, their jobs, their involvement in the military service, where they had been on vacation.
Every afternoon when the man in the bed by the window could sit up, he would pass the time by describing to his roommate all the things he could see outside the window.
The man in the other bed began to live for those one hour periods where his world would be broadened and enlivened by all the activity and color of the world outside.
The window overlooked a park with a lovely lake. Ducks and swans played on the water while children sailed their model boats. Young lovers walked arm in arm amidst flowers of every color and a fine view of the city skyline could be seen in the distance.
As the man by the window described all this in exquisite detail, the man on the other side of the room would close his eyes and imagine the picturesque scene.
One warm afternoon the man by the window described a parade passing by.
Although the other man couldn't hear the band - he could see it. In his mind's
RE:make others happy,that is human religeon.
by abdul jeelani on Aug 05, 2007 02:31 PM Permalink
Although the other man couldn't hear the band - he could see it. In his mind's eye as the gentleman by the window portrayed it with descriptive words.
Days and weeks passed.
One morning, the day nurse arrived to bring water for their baths only to find the lifeless body of the man by the window, who had died peacefully in his sleep. She was saddened and called the hospital attendants to take the body away.
As soon as it seemed appropriate, the other man asked if he could be moved next to the window. The nurse was happy to make the switch, and after making sure he was comfortable, she left him alone.
Slowly, painfully, he propped himself up on one elbow to take his first look at the real world outside.
He strained to slowly turn to look out the window beside the bed.
It faced a blank wall. The man asked the nurse what could have compelled his deceased roommate who had described such wonderful things outside this window
The nurse responded that the man was blind and could not even see the wall.
She said, "Perhaps he just wanted to encourage you."
Epilogue:
There is tremendous happiness in making others happy, despite our own situations. Shared grief is half the sorrow, but happiness when shared, is doubled.
If you want to feel rich, just count all the things you have that money can't buy.
"Today is a gift, that's why it is called the present"
RE:RE:make others happy,that is human religeon.
by nidhi dawesar on Aug 05, 2007 02:48 PM Permalink
very nice, wish we all humans could behave this way
RE:U S A ARMY IN IRAQ
by vijay on Aug 05, 2007 02:25 PM Permalink
When Joe Darby saw the horrific photos of abuse at Abu Ghraib prison he was stunned.
So stunned that he walked out into the hot Baghdad night and smoked half a dozen cigarettes and agonised over what he should do.
Joe Darby was a reserve soldier with US forces at Abu Ghraib prison when he stumbled across those images which would eventually shock the world in 2004.
They were photographs of his colleagues, some of them men and women he had known since high school - torturing and abusing Iraqi prisoners.
His decision to hand them over rather than keep quiet changed his life forever.
The military policeman has only been allowed to talk about that struggle very recently, and in his first UK interview, for BBC Radio 4's The Choice, he told Michael Buerk how he made that decision and how he fears for the safety of his family.
RE:RE:U S A ARMY IN IRAQ
by vijay on Aug 05, 2007 02:26 PM Permalink
He had been in Iraq for seven months when he was first handed the photographs on a CD. It was lent to him by a colleague, Charles Graner. Most of the disc contained general shots around Hilla and Baghdad, but also those infamous photos of abuse.
At first he did not quite believe what he was looking at.
"The first picture I saw, I laughed - because one, it's just a pyramid of naked people - I didn't know it was Iraqi prisoners," he says.
"Because I have seen soldiers do some really stupid things. As I got into the photos more I realised what they were.
"There were photos of Graner beating three prisoners in a group. There was a picture of a naked male Iraqi standing with a bag over his head, holding the head, the sandbagged head of a male Iraqi kneeling between his legs. The most pronounced woman in the photographs was Lyndie England, and she was leading prisoners around on a leash. She was giving a thumbs-up and standing behind the pyramid, you know with the thumbs-up, standing next to Graner. Posing with one of the Iraqi prisoners who had died."
RE:RE:RE:U S A ARMY IN IRAQ
by vijay on Aug 05, 2007 02:31 PM Permalink
Joe Darby knew what he saw was wrong, but it took him three weeks to decide to hand those photographs in. When he finally did, he was promised anonymity and hoped he would hear no more about it. But he was scared of the repercussions from the accused soldiers in the photos.
"I was afraid for retribution not only from them, but from other soldiers," he says.
"At night when I would sleep, they were less than 100 yards from me, and I didn't even have a door on the room I slept in.
"I had a raincoat hanging up for a door. Like I said to my room mate, they could reach their hand in the door - because I slept right by the door - and cut my throat without making a noise, or anybody knowing what was going on, and I was scared of that."
When the accused soldiers were finally removed from the base, he thought his troubles were over.
And then he was sitting in a crowded Iraqi canteen with hundreds of soldiers and Donald Rumsfeld came on the television to thank Joe Darby by name for handing in the photographs.
"I don't think it was an accident because those things are pretty much scripted," Mr Darby says.
"But I did receive a letter from him which said he had no malicious intent, he was only doing it to praise me and he had no idea about my anonymity.
"I really find it hard to believe that the secretary of defence of the United States has no idea about the star witness for a criminal case being anonymous
RE:U S A ARMY IN IRAQ
by vijay on Aug 05, 2007 02:36 PM Permalink
Rather than turn on him for betraying colleagues, most of the soldiers in his unit shook his hand. It was at home where the real trouble started.
Labelled a traitor
His wife had no idea that Mr Darby had handed in those photos, but when he was named, she had to flee to her sister's house which was then vandalised with graffiti. Many in his home town called him a traitor.
"I knew that some people wouldn't agree with what I did," he says.
"You have some people who don't view it as right and wrong. They view it as: I put American soldiers in prison over Iraqis."
That animosity in his home town has meant that he still cannot return there.
After Donald Rumsfeld blew his cover, he was bundled out of Iraq very quickly and lived under armed protection for the first six months.
He has since left the army but did testify at the trials of some of those accused of abuse and torture. It is Charles Graner he is most afraid of.
RE:RE:U S A ARMY IN IRAQ
by vijay on Aug 05, 2007 02:37 PM Permalink
"Seeing Graner across the courtroom was the only one that was difficult during the trial," he says.
"He had a stone-cold stare of hatred the entire time - he wouldn't take his eyes off me the whole time he sat there. I think this is a grudge he will hold till the day he gets out of prison."
Mr Darby and his family have moved to a new town. They have new jobs. They have done everything but change their identities.
But he does not seem himself as a hero, or a traitor. Just "a soldier who did his job - no more, no less".
"I've never regretted for one second what I did when I was in Iraq, to turn those pictures in," he says.
You can hear Joe Darby being interviewed by Michael Buerk on BBC Radio 4's The Choice on 7 August at 0900 BST.
RE:relevant messages being abuse marked
by sudhir on Aug 05, 2007 02:27 PM Permalink
Why are you so ashamed abt your religion that you have to come here with a false identity.
The Bajrang dal killed Christianpriests acussing them of conversion, ho many hindus did actually condemn it?
Muslims were killed and raped by BJP/VHP/RSS sponsored genocide and how many hindus did condemn that?
Dig up the pitch of Wankhade Stadium, loot the people and abuse non-maharashtrians?
Hindu Terrorists shouted Har Har Mahadev before raping a pregnant muslim gujarati women, ripping their womb open, taking the foetus out, placed it on a trishul and burnt it alive and then again shouted...Har Har Mahadev!!
Caring only about Uppper Caste Hindus and they are not concerned about lower caste minority hindus?
Hindu Fanatics killed innocent Christians in Orissa.
Terrorise innocent dalits of their own religion?
Oppress and rape Dalit woman in the name of caste?
an unending list of atrocities committed by the Hindu terrorists to poor Indians??
Will any Hindu come forward and condemn these brutal acts of terror????
RE:Hindus beating round the Bush???
by RATIONALIST on Aug 05, 2007 02:23 PM Permalink
The Bajrang dal killed Christianpriests acussing them of conversion, ho many hindus did actually condemn it?
Muslims were killed and raped by BJP/VHP/RSS sponsored genocide and how many hindus did condemn that?
Dig up the pitch of Wankhade Stadium, loot the people and abuse non-maharashtrians?
Hindu Terrorists shouted Har Har Mahadev before raping a pregnant muslim gujarati woman, ripping her womb open, taking the foetus out, placed it on a trishul and burnt it alive and then again shouted...Har Har Mahadev!!
Caring only about Uppper Caste Hindus and they are not concerned about lower caste minority hindus?
Hindu Fanatics killed innocent Christians in Orissa.
Terrorise innocent dalits of their own religion?
Oppress and rape Dalit woman in the name of caste?
an unending list of atrocities committed by the Hindu terrorists to poor Indians??
Will any Hindu come forward and condemn these brutal acts of terror????
RE:RE:Hindus beating round the Bush???
by Munna bhai on Aug 05, 2007 03:19 PM Permalink
these cowards vegetarians Hindus will come forward and condemn? they dont have guts to come out.
RE:Hindus beating round the Bush???
by Indian Muslim Patriotic on Aug 05, 2007 02:28 PM Permalink
That true Rationalist, Hidus are hiddent terrorist but not all there are some parties which you mentioned above.
We everybody should come out agains Terrorists,LTTE,RSS,VHP,MOIST,NAXALS.Then only our country will save otherwise they will ruin our countries.
RE:Hindus beating round the Bush???
by Munna bhai on Aug 05, 2007 03:14 PM Permalink
according to Hindus, terrorists means only who explode bombs in trains and puplic places and kill few innocent people? but how these hindu terrorists work silently, killing muslims swords knifes and guns, in riots,and in areas where muslims r weak and less, with the help of hindu police and hindu politicians. These all hindus r same, they r enemies of muslims. they r really terrorists.
