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by muhammad on May 09, 2007 12:25 PM Permalink
Rediff team %u2013 I thank u for posting articles of shamm & akram. Actually prof. syed Mustafa who fled from Pakistan is my relative. Prof. syed was later killed mysteriously. I have also copied these 2 good articles & posting them. Article by prof. syed is 100 percent true. Rediff keep this good work. - muham
Dear Brothers I am amazed by knowledge of all people around here about Sikhism, what a miss, by the way guru Nanak clearly stated in the gurubani , we are nor a Muslim or nor Hindu, meanwhile he said we are all humankind first, then what we are (please read the meaning of Sikh) , guru nanak%u2019s mission was clearly to bring equality(we are all humankind , so no such a caste exist, WHY WOMEN ARE BAD AS THEY ARE OUR MOTHER%u2019S AND WHY THE HAVE TO BURN THERE SELVES IN THERE HUSBANDS ,SIVAS, in guru ji words), tolerance(which is hardly to tolerate now a day, due to some fundamental%u2019s, as they try to claim Sikh as there part or defenders)love, peace (defend the poor%u2019s, and weak) , justice, human rights, to the society, furthermore his philosophy was fresh and different from any other religion, as a Sikh we respect all religion and I ask my all other faiths brother to respect Sikhism as well as we respect yours , Khalsa is not a just defender of any one religion but it defend all human%u2019s right, by that time moguls ruled India and they used there sword to conversion which guru ji stand against, they clearly mentioned , we have no problem if some 1 convert to your religion by choice, but not by force, RSS and Pakistani intelligent try to ruin our great history which they not going to succeed in, as Sikh we are much aware now a day then we was in last few decades. We don%u2019t want any trouble with any one what don%u2019t accept any one to destroy our culture and history. We are separate nation (KHALSA NATION ) and religion and we are not part of any other religion. I guess many people are just jealous of Sikh%u2019s history as there history is really shameful, and as Sikh%u2019s are more wealthy then any other nation in our region. I ask to all my brother to go back and look at history again. Try to find the real history not the history you have given from RSS or pak intelligent service. Respect for all, if any of you need real information about Sikhism then please read the books written by English(Sir Bukhingahm and others) and muslims and hindus writer,by the way am talking about past writer , not one they are ashamed of there history and try to ruin our great history I mean not by RSS or ISA, Respect for all thank you
RE:RE:NOT momen , or kafir, Sikh's are human
by on May 18, 2007 05:51 AM Permalink
You also read Sikh history, where 6th Nanak Sri Guru Hargond Sahib Ji maharaj told Sikhs to learn the art of sword fighting from the Rajput's of rajasthan(I believe) that time. That does not make Sikhs any smaller than the rajput's, it simply shows the humility & respect which Sikhs have for the people of skills but that does not make Sikhs as the religion under hindu ideology.
RE:NOT momen , or kafir, Sikh's are human
by on May 18, 2007 05:45 AM Permalink
Perv Sharma
I hear this brave maratha & marathi theory on the chat forms around from sometime now but I never had any time to study from a neutral perspective other than the 1 sided views of hindus.
If Maratha's were brave that was really good for them and I respect them if they were brave & were fighting for the just cause.
But I give you a little hint of as to why Sri Guru Gobind Singh Ji's was is Naded, read this one ..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banda_Bahadur
and also try to read some articles other than generated by the hindu mind sets on other communities at times.
This abusive language is the result of Indian educational system, policy makers & biased media, which is working overtime to generate a generation of biased, corrupt minds & no tolerance towards a different belief system.
And as suggested by the muslim brother above that Sikhs have taken some verse out of context & are allowed to smoke is absolutely wrong. Please also read the story of 10th Nanak Sri Guru Gobind Singh Ji's horse refused to cross a tabacco field.
Yes, Sikh scriptures give example of Hindu gods at times & muslim faith but in certain context of their good deeds. Sikh scriptures also condemn the praying of any powers of Maya {Devi / Devtas} for materialistic gains and always guide Sikhs to pray directly to Akal Purkh. Sikh ideology considers Hell or Heaven{the after life worlds as per Hindu, Muslims, Christians} as the part of cycle of life and death. Sikhs are told to remember Him(God) only all the time with humility & giving respect & equal status to people of all the religions & beliefs.
I am saddened by the lack of knowledge of people in wider India and their use of abusive language towards minorities. This is all because of the fanatic / biased media & leadership of current India.
As for younger generation, lets please educate us with the TRUTH.
RE:Sikhism is neither an offshoot of Hinduism or Islam
by Secular Indian on May 10, 2007 03:59 PM Permalink
Sikhs are Hindus period. Sikhism is one in a long line of reformist movements on the sub-continent. Sikhs have a separate identity, which by the way they aggressively cultivated in the 20th century. The entire episode started when the Sanatan Sikhs wrote the book. "Hum Hindu Hain" which was countered by the Tat Khalsa book "Hum Hindu Nahin Hain". In the end the Tat Khalsa's view prevailed and they aggressively went about promoting the superficial differences that exist between the Sikhs and Hindus. No more no less.
RE:RE:Sikhism is neither an offshoot of Hinduism or Islam
by on May 18, 2007 05:14 AM Permalink
Secular Indian,
There is no difference between any of the race of God. If you read & try to understand the Sikh scriptures & history everything will be crystal clear to you.
Yes, its was a big blow to the Brahmin matt when Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji refused to wear hindu sacred thread during His childhood & from there onwards there were numerous examples of clashes between Sikh ideology & that of Hindu.
So far only Hindus & Muslims are dominating in defining laws & rules of India for themselves & Sikhs as they are always in majority from the beginning. I don't see by any way Sikhs being the part of Hindu or Muslim ideology or religion. Hindu ideology limits till 1 heaven & 1 hell, Muslim ideology is limited till 7 heavens & 7 hells and Sikh ideology says that there are limitless of these, created & destroyed in no time. There are billions of types Bharamas, Vishnus & Shivs in the court of Lord.
RE:Sikhism is neither an offshoot of Hinduism or Islam
by on May 08, 2007 05:58 AM Permalink
I happen to read message by one of the muslim brother saying that Sikhs are allowed to eat meat. Sikhs are not allowed to eat meat as it contradicts the basic fibre of Sikh thought process of showing mercy towards all the creatures of God. But yes if there are people out there who call themselves Sikhs and also eat non-veg then they certainly not allowed to eat meat cut in Muslim/Jew ritualistic way as no ritual can justify the eating of meat & killing of animal for taste. Sikhs are not anyway specially forbidden to eat any particular animal like cows & pigs. During the Guru's times, Sikhs in war used to eat meat as there were not vegitables available in the jungles all the times but this is not required in todays age & time.
A Sikh on spritual path will never eat meat but if anyone eats meat then he is allowed to eat any meat which includes beef & pork.
RE:Sikhism is neither an offshoot of Hinduism or Islam
by on May 08, 2007 05:34 AM Permalink
Has anyone observed this thing, I always have observed the people of all the religion claim that someway or other Sikhism is their offshoot, which clearly shows that Sikhism is an universal religion and covers all the good things of different religions.
I hope we all try to be first perfect in our own religions before commenting others religions.
RE:RE:Sikhism is neither an offshoot of Hinduism or Islam
by on May 18, 2007 05:01 AM Permalink
The literal meaning of Sikh is student. No one can become a Sikh without actually following the Gurmatt. Just having an outlook of Sikh doesnt necessarily make you a Sikh. There was a trend in punjabies where they used to call their eldest son as Sikh but hten it is down to that person if he chooses or is blessed in reality to follow the path shown by Guru Nanak. Wearing turban & calling yourself Singh or Kaur does not necessarily make you a Sikh. To become a Sikh one has to submit to the God and understand the gurbani and follow it as told.
RE:Sikhism is neither an offshoot of Hinduism or Islam
by san df on Jul 01, 2008 10:32 PM Permalink
Dear on. in one of your posts above you hav said that meat eating is banned for sikhs. actually eatin non-veg is also banned in hinduism as datz wat the scriptures say. irrespective of hindu or sikh i see all these guys eatin meat. the reason not to eat meat is the same as u hav said. but this is kali yug. it will b great if all of us stop eatin meat.
RE:Sikhism is neither an offshoot of Hinduism or Islam
by on May 08, 2007 05:27 AM Permalink
If you study Sikh History & Sikh scriptures, they clearly tell humans to forget all the differences & instead pray to almight Waheguru / Allah / God / Narayan for the mukti from the cycle of life and death.
I always feel so sad whenever there is a topic on religion on this site, fanatic people try to prove that everyone is the part of Hinduism. And if not, then they are anti-Indians. What the hell man ?? What is the refusal of being a part of Hinduism has anything to do with anti-India. I feel these right wing Hindus are the worst anti-Indian who are killing the basic fabric of secularism in this country.
Moreover the sad punjabi culture is such an anti-Sikh culture, it contradicts in many ways the true Sikh values but sad thing is that majority of the Sikhs are coming from this culture & they are failing get rid of the bads of Punjabi culture. Sikhism is an universal concept & religion preaching the equality of human beings of all the origins, races.
I request this site to please block any more abuse & foul language here.
RE:Sikhism is neither an offshoot of Hinduism or Islam
by on May 18, 2007 04:55 AM Permalink
Dear Sir,
As per your theory, all humans must be called apes or monkeys because at some point or times parents of first MAN was a monkey look like. I totally disagree with you on your theory. Yes, Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji's parents were from the Hindu origin but that necessarily not make Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji hindu. Even at the tender age of childhood He refused to wear the hindu thread(januae). He written against the rituals of Hindus & Muslims{fasting}in His bani. Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji does not praise any of the Hindu gods but only the praise of Akal Purakh.
Its not Sri Guru Govind Singh Ji brother, its Sri Guru Gobind Singh Ji! I dont get the sarcastic question behind these questions.Can you please throw some light on your actual question?
Khalsa Country?? What you on about man??
Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji visited Mecca & many hindu historical sites to educated people about the GOD, where people were instead were more busy in rituals. He went everywhere to spread the message of Love and God.
Khalsa is the Third Panth for those who devote their lives for Philanthropy. They take Amrit to enter into this Third Panth. Sikh is the Second Panth and Hindu the First. No Hindu, no Sikh or Khalsa. Khalsa take Amrit at Kes Garh Sahib Takht and then stay there and not return to their family homes.
On that occasion when Sachae Patshah Gobind Singh Ji asked for the heads, after Amrit he brought to stage a donkey dressed in the skin of a lion. But when he brayed, then Sangat asked what is this please? Then he explained that a day would come when these Khalsas would be Malaish or Impostors puting on the blue uniform of the Khalsas but runnung after material riches as you see them occupying Gurdwaras. They were called Donkey Khalsas. Such people today run Nagar Kirtan in April.
For real Sikhi, read my articles on Christianity/Sikhism at:-
