All guys wake up please....................... Very rarely police kill criminals as most of the time they are in nexus with them.Don't hail this durnkered looking journalist.Think of those honest Police officers who took the risk of eliminating that Criminal.Even for money how many Policeman will kill Criminals.My question is if Sohrabuddin was extorting money then who was the sufferers, common man or Police.RARELY POLICE TAKES SUCH STEPS THEN OUR COURTS JUMP IN BETWEEN TO SAVE CRIMINALS.
RE:RE:Nobody is Above nation but had police gone by books then Punjab would have been be a part of Pakistan
by felix nicholas on Apr 25, 2007 05:23 PM Permalink
we should appoint u the chief justice!!!
RE:Nobody is Above nation but had police gone by books then Punjab would have been be a part of Pakistan
by Gaurav on Apr 25, 2007 05:33 PM Permalink
Well said Deepak, I agree that by eliminating Sohrabuddin Sheikh in an encounter, a great justice and relief has been served to helpless citizen, who were terrorised by this Goon.
And the media and others are immortalising the criminal Sohrabuddin Sheikh. Why pay attention. I wish that all thoe who are immortalising criminals like Sohrabuddin Sheikh should suffer at the hands of such criminals, terrorist etc...
THE MYTH - ISLAM USED FORCE FOR CONVERSIONS Let us Investigate whether Islam used Force to Convert or Not... We all know that the Present State of Gujrat is highly infested by Muslim Invaders from Ghori to Ghazni.. The present day Muslim Population of Gujrat is 10 % Take the case of Tamilnadu, it had very less impact from Muslim Invaders. The present day Muslim POpulation in TN is 6 %. If your assumption of Muslims using Force for conversion is true Means, the present day Muslim Pop of Gujrat should be atleast 25 % but that is not the case... Now you have One Option 1) You will say that all the Gujrati Muslims Migrated to Pakistan. Everbody knows that the Muslims in India relocated to Pakistan in Few Numbers... So the story of Muslim Invaders raping Hindus is a good story.. Muslims ruled India for 1000 years, do you mean to say that all Your Grand Mothers were Hiding in Bushes for 1000 Years and you retained Hinduism ??? All these is Bull shit... People are attracted towards Islam because of the Caste System of Hinduism and Sufism, the Mystic way of understanding the Almighty God.. All these stories about Muslims using Force is Bull shit..
RE:THE MYTH - ISLAM USED FORCE FOR CONVERSIONS
by ram kumar on Apr 25, 2007 05:23 PM Permalink
Nobody wants to follow Bullshit ideologies... The Moguls forced ,History is the evidence , sheik you better go thru the history ,if need to know how abuse the moguls were...
RE:THE MYTH - ISLAM USED FORCE FOR CONVERSIONS
by Srinivas on Apr 25, 2007 05:17 PM Permalink
Truth is always too hot to accept so you are doing same that all other radical muslims are doing this. You are basically trying to support invaders like other radical muslim rather speak true muslim like Mr. Kalam. you need to come out of bush grown on your face first
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by Ibrahim Sheik on Apr 25, 2007 05:43 PM Permalink
I am trying to eliminate the Mis conception that Islam used Force fot Conversions.. Muslim Kings Invaded this Land, that I will agree but not the Hearts of Hindus... It is impossible to compell somebody to accept any other Ideology, if and only if he accepts it by Heart...
RE:THE MYTH - ISLAM USED FORCE FOR CONVERSIONS
by prince prince on Apr 25, 2007 05:16 PM Permalink
ibrahim from where did you get all this percentage and ratio? who are bori muslims? - brahmins forcefully converted to Islam. who are memons? - kutchi lohana forcefully converted to muslims. and you yourself have written Muslim invaders, so you agree that forcefully you came to Hindustan. and when you are saying the present muslim population of gujarat should be 25% instead of 10%, did you forget the count who were killed during godhra?
RE:THE MYTH - ISLAM USED FORCE FOR CONVERSIONS
by Ibrahim Sheik on Apr 25, 2007 05:41 PM Permalink
I got these Percentages from Statewise Muslim Population Statistics released by Govt. of India.. Tell me any one authentic story of Hindus Forced to accept Islam.. I am having a lots of History records of the Great Sufis, who preached Islam... If you want I can tell you in Detail
RE:THE MYTH - ISLAM USED FORCE FOR CONVERSIONS
by Seshan Iyer on Apr 25, 2007 06:08 PM Permalink
Dear Ibrahim, your article can be kept pending for the time being since the main messages invited are on the subject of Policemen, Sohabuddin and Journalist. Your article can be republished when rediffmail calls on the subject of Conversion. So don't mix it up now. You will be given a chance definitely to do so by rediff. Okay?
RE:THE MYTH - ISLAM USED FORCE FOR CONVERSIONS
by madhav behera on Apr 25, 2007 05:30 PM Permalink
he guy first you say whether you are a child of barbarian islamist invader or a hindu convertrted muslim .
than we will answar whether our ''Grand Mothers were Hiding in Bushes for 1000 Years and we retained Hinduism ''.
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by Ibrahim Sheik on Apr 25, 2007 05:47 PM Permalink
Dear Madhav, Generally it is a Period of Transition, all the Muslims in this World are Converts at some part of time. But that is History, if you ask about the Origin nobody knows it...
RE:THE MYTH - ISLAM USED FORCE FOR CONVERSIONS
by Rupesh Nair on Apr 25, 2007 05:32 PM Permalink
Read Baber Naama a book written by Baber or Trace the history of Tipu Sultan. If so called religion is a Servent of Humanity, Why homicides are happening all over the Muslim Countries.How you are Justifying Jihaad.Hinduism was there ever before any religion and will be the there.You just go through the history how islamisation happened all over the world.Is it because of the sanctity of Islam? No, it was because of the cruelty.
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by Ibrahim Sheik on Apr 25, 2007 05:49 PM Permalink
Dear Rupesh I agree that Muslim rulers had capacity to rule the whole land, but they had nothing to do with Islam. The Invaders mean Business, they are concerned about Military Power and not Islam..
RE:THE MYTH - ISLAM USED FORCE FOR CONVERSIONS
by karthik venki on Apr 25, 2007 05:21 PM Permalink
So, you mean to say that Hindus read the Qur'an and converted to Islam. Buddy, 50% of the Indian population is still illiterate. Let alone Arabic they dont even know to read and write Hindi and other Indian languages. 0.0001% of people converted Islam because of the way of understanding the God. The rest were forced. Islam has only one truth which will is bound to create conflicts by its very nature. Hinduism as every common man in India understands is open for interpretation and offers freedom of thought. There is nothing in Islam that attracts others. On the other hand Yoga, a practice inherent in Hinduism is now used all over the world by billions for peace of mind. Islam was spread through brutal force and I APPRECIATE THE COURAGE OF MY ANCESTORS TO STAND UP TO THE BRUTAL FORCE OF ISLAMIC INVADERS.
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by Ibrahim Sheik on Apr 25, 2007 05:45 PM Permalink
Dear Venki You dont have to read Koran to accept Islam.. You have to just take a resolution, after acceptance you are allowed to learn Koran if you wish. Many Muslims dont know to read Arabic but they go for 5 time prayers
RE:THE MYTH - ISLAM USED FORCE FOR CONVERSIONS
by rajeev phanse on Apr 25, 2007 07:37 PM Permalink
I feel you should look at the census figures during the british period and y will be surprised to learn that the muslim population in India ( other than the pakistan bangladesh areas)increased in that period more than during any other historic times. this shows voluntary conversions taking place all the time mainly during the last 150 years The problem with other communities/religions trying to castigate islam is that they themselves are coming nearer to it in their practices in terms of becoming more organised in worship practices and core unity of believers as compared to their earlier personal religious practices. regards rajeev phanse
This shows that the police investigates all complains, even in highest cases. That said, there were dozens of marxists and foreign paid people were working in Gujrat for 3 years.
The article has lot of insinuations, any drunkard's tale is passed as facts. We hope rediff cares to publishes the official version.
RE:The police machinary shows it investigated itself
by biz Narayan on Apr 25, 2007 05:10 PM Permalink
Did Guju govt admit that it was a 'fake' encounter ? If not, it would show paid agents in rediff. The editors should get the facts about what has been admitted. There is a logical inconsistency, which shows atleast some seckular people are at work.
RE:RE:fake?????
by Manmohan on Apr 25, 2007 05:25 PM Permalink
What do you think ,you are Jethmalani of india. If they arrest IG,SSPAand SP, then there is truth in this story. What hapaens, if it was your elder brother
RE:fake?????
by ujval on Apr 25, 2007 05:10 PM Permalink
agree but police took money to kill they also nedd ed to be punished not for killing but for taking money
RE:fake?????
by Rajesh t on Apr 26, 2007 01:19 AM Permalink
well u think with the resources at hand can the police manage things? they are paid a pitiance they have to pay for fuel for their cars, extra uniforms, cash for their informants etc Look at the aftereffects of breakup of the encounter specialists at mumbai due to reason wealth not in proportion of income source the current police had no clue abt the train bombings and took more than 2 weeks to investigate till the culprits were safely in some Directorate General of Forces Intelligence(bangladeshi isi) safehouse compare them to politicians or juducuary politicians are very well taken care of and get pension for 5 yrs service still they make wealth more than income
Wat so ever it may be Police officers should not make fake encounters....!!!! Catch that Sohrabuddin when he ransacks the rich people....
so the officers were aware that he is ransacking the rich and it was correct. so he cannot be caught tat way and they have chosen to drive him out of earth by fake encounters....
RE:[object]
by Mukesh Sharma on Apr 25, 2007 05:12 PM Permalink
gujraat, rajasthan & maharastra has started encounter & every state should do it to eliminate criminal from india
RE:Good Dayalji!!
by Mukesh Sharma on Apr 25, 2007 05:16 PM Permalink
sinhaji u look like laloo brother who has ruined bihar because of u people & u want gujrat be on same way.....bahut maza aa raha hai pitara kulne se....???? sharam karo
RE:Good Dayalji!!
by arif hasan on Apr 25, 2007 05:26 PM Permalink
My dear BRO...bihar is what it is...and i am proud of it...though i am not in bihar now but at least our police force wont take supari to kill culprits!!!
RE:fake
by sameer pandita on Apr 25, 2007 04:58 PM Permalink
Police part in the whole drama needs to be investigated its not a matter of religion .The officers involved are responsible IPS officers .Maybe they have commited a crime but that can be proved only if a a non biased enquiry commision heads the investigating proceedings .It can be a ploy of this central government to defame the state government to save its face in the upcomming elections in other states , so that they have a say on atleast some thing .This ability of MR MODI cannot be questioned he is a seasoned leader and has tackled gujarat exceptionally well over a period of time . The congress should be more worried about presence of LET cadres in the J&K public meeting than such small issues where police has just done their job in a planned way . The only thing that needs investigation is the mysterious absence of his wife .
RE:RE:fake
by Mukesh Sharma on Apr 25, 2007 05:04 PM Permalink
right sameer ye congress ki bhi chaal ho sakti hai....up election me akri daanv jeetne ke liye
RE:fake
by sameer pandita on Apr 25, 2007 04:57 PM Permalink
Police part in the whole drama needs to be investigated its not a matter of religion .The officers involved are responsible IPS officers .Maybe they have commited a crime but that can be proved only if a a non biased enquiry commision heads the investigating proceedings .It can be a ploy of this central government to defame the state government to save its face in the upcomming elections in other states , so that they have a say on atleast some thing .This ability of MR MODI cannot be questioned he is a seasoned leader and has tackled gujarat exceptionally well over a period of time . The congress should be more worried about presence of LET cadres in the J&K public meeting than such small issues where police has just done their job in a planned way . The only thing that needs investigation is the mysterious absence of his wife .
